Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #6macros, 2015-07-05

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21:34 * vendethiel is done with all his nippon things
21:34 vendethiel i'm still a bit too tired to look at macro stuff today :P
21:38 masak understandable :)
21:38 * masak is watching a video about algebraic topology
21:39 vendethiel nice!
21:39 vendethiel I'd, if my brane could handle it :P
21:40 masak it's a lecture by Norman Weldberger, a somewhat crazy mathematician who doesn't buy into this whole "real number line" business
21:41 masak Wildberger*
21:44 masak in the custom-ops branch in 007, I'm just about to write the logic to distinguish prefixes and postfixes by precendence and associativity.
21:45 masak I also did a reboot of my Second System perl IRC bot today, and what I believe was a much better start than last time :>
21:47 vendethiel great!
21:49 masak tests are kind cute: https://github.com/masak/mishu​/blob/master/t/basic.t#L30-L49 :>
21:49 masak kinda*
21:49 masak this is exactly how I want to write tests.
21:50 vendethiel i think this is a private github repo :)
21:50 masak ugh, you're right.
21:51 vendethiel got it
21:51 masak try again. just made it public.
21:51 vendethiel "masak open soruced mishu"
21:51 vendethiel sourced*
21:51 vendethiel you can't be faster than my notifications :P
21:51 masak well, that's an exaggertaion :P
21:52 masak "open sourced" :P
21:52 vendethiel hehe
21:52 vendethiel the guy's english isn't great
21:52 vendethiel "mock"
21:52 vendethiel i'd say
21:52 vendethiel "don't use mocks, write pure functions instead" but it's quite a stretch
21:52 vendethiel at least for now.
21:53 masak I've heard the principle, and I'm open for suggestions -- but mocks felt pretty right in this case.
21:53 vendethiel well
21:53 masak I *think* what "pure functions" leads to is immutable objects
21:53 vendethiel yeah.
21:53 vendethiel I don't need mock, because I can observe all the changes already
21:54 vendethiel it'd be unwieldly in Perl6
21:54 vendethiel at least until someone writes "siz"
21:54 masak and I think what I'm doing is a mutable/dirty optimization of the immutable version.
21:54 masak and I basically have no problem with that, because that's what I consider to be the core of OO.
21:54 * vendethiel doesn't believe much in OO
21:55 vendethiel it's funny, when I tell people that, they look at me in the (e-)eyes like "this idiot hasn't graduated from procedural code yet!"
21:55 masak I've been skeptical for most of my career, but I've also seen OO used really well in a narrow range of cases.
21:55 vendethiel oh, I never said it was never useful...:)
21:57 masak actually, to me one of the big insights was the isomorphism between chains of (command) method calls, and monoids.
22:00 masak that kind of establishes a bridge between the OO and FP worlds.
22:08 vendethiel mmh-hmm
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