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IRC log for #bioclipse, 2007-11-17

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11:08 Deanne Morning :)
11:13 CIA-18 bioclipse: ospjuth * r4258 /branches/bioclipse2/core/​plugins/net.bioclipse.ui/ (14 files in 5 dirs): Created Bioclipse Navigator based on CNF instead of ProjectExplorer
11:14 egonw hi Deanne
11:14 egonw I won't be online much today, I think
11:15 Deanne me neither...
11:16 Deanne have to do a student help session in 4 hours, then its also my birthday.
11:16 Deanne so I plan on doing things bad for me :)
11:16 Deanne (not really)
11:16 egonw ah, congratulainos :)
11:17 Deanne thank you :)
11:17 Deanne how are  you doing?
11:29 egonw still in search for money for chemoinformatics research :)
11:39 Deanne Drug companies?
11:39 egonw has been tried... without success so far...
11:39 egonw rather focused on MD/MM things...
11:40 Deanne Hey, on Thursday, the chair of my dept came into my office...
11:40 Deanne she said "a couple of pfizer scientists are here to talk about our collaboration with Pfizer..."
11:40 Deanne (she is a biostatistician)
11:41 Deanne She wanted me to present the diagram of what I had hoped to do with Bioclipse and the statistical aspect of the analysis linking together toxicogenomics databases and population studies.
11:41 egonw ah, good
11:41 Deanne So I showed them the diagram and along with the toxicogenomics aspect was a chemoinformatics aspect
11:41 Deanne they seemed very enthusiastic...
11:41 Deanne so anyway..
11:42 egonw Bioclipse has the tremendous power of allowing good visual feedback...
11:42 Deanne one good thing is that if we get this up and running there might be some more interest...
11:42 egonw to aid expert validation of results...
11:42 Deanne yes...
11:43 Deanne Industry will grab onto the chemoinformatics aspect of this (I realize this is probably not all you do in chemoinformatics)...just saying that they were interested in the link between chemoinfo, clinical studies, population science, and bioinformatics.
11:43 egonw yes, this integration will be increasingly important...
11:43 Deanne There aren't any tools in industry that can do this without large teams of developers and in-house databases, and it takes years because they're all navigating software...
11:44 egonw now that I am practically amongst biologists... I clearly see the lack in understand of the chemistry of all things
11:44 Deanne So you might find one source of money in chemoinformatics if you can approach it from that side -- how to integrate chemoinfo knowledge.
11:44 egonw right
11:44 Deanne Even basic biochem is not so clear to some biologists. :)
11:45 egonw but that seldomly allows actual chemoinformatics research...
11:45 egonw more like applied chemoinformatics
11:45 Deanne Yea, I agree.
11:45 Deanne We had a story here at Harvard Medical School where Robert Gentleman -- famous for his work in Bioconductor, was not offered tenure...probably because one big aspect of his research was methodology development.
11:46 Deanne Eventually they did offer him a position but he wasn't interested anymore and went off to U of Washington I think.
11:46 egonw yes, it's the same everywhere...
11:47 egonw with the differences that universities like Harvard have many more resources than typical Dutch universities...
11:47 egonw even if they are doing excellent research
11:47 Deanne You'd be surprised...
11:48 egonw something like some big company or wealthy induvidual financing research in unheard of in NL
11:48 Deanne I have no money to do this stuff either. There is some money that cam come from the Dean but it's not easy to get.
11:48 egonw but i have the feeling that it is easier in the US to start set up a group...
11:49 Deanne It depends...
11:49 egonw in NL it's postdoc and then assistent prof
11:49 egonw practically nothing in between
11:49 Deanne I used to work in industry, and on top of that I have a lot of connections in industry and in corporations like Schroedinger.
11:49 Deanne If you ever want this -- I can help out and send information directly to people I know.
11:49 egonw ok, got to go for lunch now...
11:49 Deanne It's not much but maybe you would be invited for a talk if you have any good new ideas.
11:49 Deanne OK.
11:49 egonw OK, will keep that in mind, thanx
11:49 Deanne *waves*
11:50 egonw cu later
11:50 Deanne egon --
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15:43 edrin hello egon, hello deanne
15:47 deanne Hi, edrin
15:48 deanne hi, egonw again
15:48 deanne sorry, i was off in #physics listening to someone weird.
15:48 deanne i was just talking about the new "theory of everything" that came out.
15:54 edrin deanne: so you are an assistent or a prof at a statistical department at medical school of harvard?
15:55 deanne I'm a Research scientist.
15:55 deanne In the School of Public Health
15:55 deanne In the Biostatistics Department.
15:55 deanne They have three groupings: research scientists, professors, and lecturers
15:55 deanne each has its own promotion track.
15:56 edrin what is the difference
15:56 deanne I am a research scientist because I came out of industry and went into academia.
15:56 deanne I need to publish more, and then get a faculty (professor) position.
15:56 edrin ah
15:56 edrin and what is a lecturer?
15:57 edrin some kind of teacher?
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15:57 edrin ah
15:57 edrin wikipedia helps me
15:58 edrin ...here
16:02 deanne lecturer is yea -- kind of a teacher.
16:03 egonw how do these terms compare to associate and assistent prof?
16:03 edrin i think a lecturer is something like a assistent prof
16:03 deanne not really...
16:03 edrin hm
16:04 deanne well, i mean, in some cases yes.
16:04 edrin ok, i intended to say associate but copy pasted the wrong word
16:04 deanne but they don't promote to prof
16:05 egonw ah... an assistent or associate prof will at some point automatically promote to full prof? not in NL
16:05 edrin not here either
16:05 deanne not here either.
16:05 edrin you can make a PD/Habilitation with a certain amount of pub
16:06 deanne I don't know which one of ours gets promoted. I think associate.
16:07 edrin i think in other countries it is much more common to switch back to uni from industry. here in my country this is quite hard i think
16:08 deanne it's very hard here...
16:08 deanne that's why I had to take a 'demotion' to come back to academia.
16:09 deanne in industry, my rank of "principal investigator" was like a tenure-track junior faculty
16:09 edrin i could imagine
16:09 deanne much easier to move from uni to industry here.
16:09 edrin same here - but not if you stay too long
16:10 deanne and I sometimes go crazy with the assumptions that I'm a junior person with 7 years of experience outside of grad school. :)
16:10 deanne not that 7 years is a long time
16:10 deanne but it's longer than 'fresh out of a postdoc'.
16:10 deanne ah well.
16:10 deanne I just smile. :)
16:10 deanne got to keep smiling and work anyway.
16:11 * deanne idles to work anyway. :)
16:14 edrin never give up
16:20 deanne I never give up. I am an eternal optimist. :)
16:48 deanne BRB
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