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IRC log for #bioclipse, 2008-02-19

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10:14 CIA-48 bioclipse: j_viklund * r4903 /branches/bioclipse2/core/plugins/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Readded log4j to net.bioclipse.logging. Now it runs.
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11:48 edrin egonw?
11:48 edrin hi all
11:51 olas hi edrin
11:51 egonw hi edrin
11:52 edrin anyone is going to fosdem?
11:53 egonw no, no time
11:53 egonw going to the java BOF?
11:59 olas what are you 2 tlálking about?
12:00 olas fosdem?
12:00 olas bof?
12:00 olas I can add one more:
12:00 olas Anyone going to DAS at EBI mon-tues next week?
12:00 olas I will
12:01 olas edrin, egonw: gimme URLs
12:03 edrin ah
12:03 edrin http://www.fosdem.org/2008/
12:04 edrin i just asked
12:04 edrin because some ppl of the XMPP group are going there. three of them are council members
12:05 olas I give you mine: http://www.dasregistry.org/course.jsp
12:05 edrin i know that someone is going there i know better... he mentioned, he can give the XEP proposal to these ppl and discuss it with them
12:05 edrin that means i havet to make a somehow new complete XEP till friday
12:07 olas :-)
12:07 egonw DAS?
12:07 egonw olas: gimme URLs
12:07 egonw (not going anyway... but anything at EBI is interesting...)
12:07 egonw ah, that DAS
12:17 olas egonw: have you worked with DAS?
12:18 olas I have just tried it at some point...
12:18 olas will be interesting to see in more detail
12:18 olas could be something for Bioclipse
12:21 egonw currently I'm already happy if I can get anything done...
12:21 egonw too much writing of proposals etc
12:23 edrin egonw, ola: will you have time to take a look at the proposed XEP?
12:24 edrin but i fear i will have it for you on thoursday morning earliest
12:24 egonw your rewrite?
12:24 egonw did you email that?
12:24 edrin yes
12:24 edrin not yet
12:24 egonw ah...
12:24 egonw ic :)
12:24 edrin i have to be fast now
12:24 egonw yeah, will surely look at it
12:25 edrin will send it on thursday morning
12:25 edrin to you
12:25 edrin and would need "instant" comments then ;)
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14:32 CIA-48 bioclipse: carl_masak * r4904 /branches/bioclipse2/core/plugins/n​et.bioclipse.ui/src/net/bioclipse/u​i/actions/DummyActionHandler.java:
14:32 CIA-48 bioclipse: [DummyActionHandler.java]
14:32 CIA-48 bioclipse: * circumcoded NullPointerException bug
14:32 CIA-48 bioclipse: * occurred when Bioclipse Explorer is empty
15:05 masak egonw: olas informs me that net.bioclipse.releng used to play a role, but no longer does
15:05 masak can I remove it from bioclipse's HEAD?
15:08 egonw define HEAD
15:08 egonw trunk/
15:08 egonw or branches/bioclipse2
15:08 masak HEAD is the latest revision
15:08 masak but yes, the plugin in question is in trunk
15:08 egonw why remove it?
15:09 masak because it's broken
15:09 masak and nobody uses it
15:09 egonw it's in playground, not?
15:09 masak no
15:09 egonw no?
15:09 egonw in trunk/plugins/ ?
15:09 masak in trunk/releng
15:09 egonw ah...
15:09 egonw yeah, that sounds fine...
15:10 masak remove it, then
15:10 egonw consult daniel leidert...
15:10 masak who?
15:10 egonw there is still interest in making bioclipse packages, e.g. for Debian
15:10 egonw so, removing it seems a bit opportunistic
15:10 masak well, yes
15:10 masak it will still be in svn
15:10 masak just not in HEAD
15:10 masak cluttering up things that work
15:10 egonw HEAD != trunk
15:10 masak no
15:10 masak HEAD is a revision
15:10 egonw right...
15:11 egonw so if it would be in a branch, it would still be HEAD
15:11 masak yep
15:11 egonw I vote no
15:11 egonw IMHO :)
15:11 masak idea is to keep HEAD full of things that work
15:11 masak which this one doesn't
15:11 egonw then remove playground/ from trunk too??
15:11 olas could we move it to playground?
15:11 egonw what about bioclipse2/ then ?
15:11 masak it works, for a fashin
15:11 olas that's a branch
15:11 masak s/fashin/fashion/
15:12 egonw I guess it is not in playground, as the purpose is different...
15:12 egonw the releng thing is for automatically building Bioclipse
15:12 masak yes
15:12 egonw something I thought Uppsala had interest in too
15:12 masak I do
15:12 olas of course
15:12 masak I would like to see that work
15:12 egonw so, does not really belong in playground... which is more for Bioclipse plugins...
15:12 olas me too
15:12 olas thats my opinion as well
15:12 masak but at present, net.bioclipse.feature.releng doesn't work
15:13 * egonw feels a major SVN cleanup coming up...
15:13 olas definitely!
15:13 masak would be nice
15:13 * egonw forsees that Uppsala will set up:
15:13 olas /egonw is looking in his crystal ball
15:13 egonw bioclipse/bioclipse1/[trunk|branches|tags]
15:13 egonw bioclipse/bioclipse2/[trunk|branches|tags]
15:13 egonw bioclipse/other/[trunk|branches|tags]
15:13 egonw with things like:
15:14 egonw bioclipse/other/[trunk|branches|tags]/[plugins|p​layground/plugins|features|playground/features]
15:14 egonw without any additional code...
15:14 egonw oh...
15:14 egonw what that?
15:14 * egonw even sees a bioclipse/org.eclipse.orbit/[trunk|branches|tags]
15:14 egonw but that's less clear
15:15 egonw might be too:
15:15 egonw bioclipse/bioclipse2/[trunk|bra​nches|tags]/org.eclipse.orbit/
15:15 masak hm...
15:15 egonw indeed...
15:15 masak that's many [trunk|branches|tags] everywhere
15:15 egonw weird these vision sessions
15:15 masak instead pf just keeping one at the top
15:16 masak s/pf/of/
15:16 egonw well, you were just complaining about it
15:20 masak I was complaining about clutter
15:22 egonw right... you can call it that
15:22 egonw one [trunk|branches|tags] for each project declutters
15:22 egonw once you get into git-svn you see the importance of this
15:23 egonw for example, try to get bioclipse2/ as git branch...
15:23 egonw crap... deja-vue
15:23 egonw don't tell me how that is done without much work...
15:23 egonw please don't do that *again*
15:24 * egonw typically has deja-vue's when he is very tired, is doing something very clever...
15:24 egonw I'm seriously afraid its the first one this time :)
15:24 egonw on the other hand... I'm writing a very nice project proposal
15:24 egonw or it might be serious crap... alternative option
15:28 masak right. had a bit of trouble following that
15:28 masak but I gather that you don't consider bioclipse2 a branch of bioclipse
15:29 masak ...and I'd actually tend to agree
15:29 masak it's more like a separate project
15:29 egonw yeah, a consider that a development-from-scratch
15:30 masak yes
15:30 masak I could propose a full svn refactoring by the end of the week
15:30 egonw but more specifically, I consider the releng stuff a separate project
15:30 egonw I can even propose it now...
15:30 masak I consider it broken.
15:30 egonw on the other hand...
15:30 egonw we keep reorganizing...
15:33 olas should we schedule SVN downtime for reorganizing?
15:36 olas I vote for a bioclipse/bioclipse1 and bioclipse/bioclipse2 structure
15:37 olas and only on plugins and feature folder of bioclipse1 and 2 respectively
15:37 olas like eclipse
15:37 olas how does that sound?
15:38 masak olas: don't know. where'd you put the trunk|branches|tags folders?
15:38 egonw and a bioclipse1-playground/ ?
15:38 olas masak: just like egonw proposed
15:38 masak oki
15:38 olas egonw: why not?
15:38 egonw no idea :)
15:38 egonw I vote yes
15:38 olas :-)
15:39 egonw masak: you maybe ?
15:39 egonw :)
15:40 masak sure, but not right now
15:40 masak I suggest we do it by the end of the week
15:40 egonw that will be difficult for me...
15:40 egonw got a proposal deadline tomorrow...
15:41 masak beginning of next week?
15:41 egonw full day of meetings on Thu and party on Fri
15:41 masak end of next week?
15:41 masak and I still think that releng should be removed until someone finds a use for it
15:41 egonw hehehehe
15:42 masak or at least put in playground with the other experiments with no guarantee of workability
15:47 olas +1
15:47 olas it really does not work at all
15:47 olas not even partially
15:48 olas I think it should be redone from scratch at some point
15:48 masak it's not that I'm against the idea of an extra-Eclipse building process
15:48 olas but let's keep it anyway
15:48 masak it's svn!
15:48 masak "keep" is a very moot concept
15:48 masak enjoy destroying things that don't work
15:49 masak foil, spindle and mutilate
15:49 masak exterminate
15:49 egonw yeah, let's delete the whole lot of it...
15:49 egonw it's not really deleted anyway...
15:49 egonw God bless svn co -r 2008-02-19!
15:50 masak egonw: I think that deep down, you see what I mean
15:50 egonw yeah, just making fun of your statement :)
15:50 masak indeed
15:50 * egonw hopes masak is not offended
15:51 masak there's a slight difference between deleting everything, and deleting a defunct plugin with no real hope of a future
15:51 masak no, not offended
15:51 masak frustrated
15:53 masak but I guess I'll just do as Cato the Elder, and finish all my public statements with "Also, I am of the opinion that releng should be removed from HEAD"
15:54 masak :)
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