Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #bioclipse, 2009-08-18

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06:59 egonw moin
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08:59 olass moin
08:59 zarah hi olass
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10:04 egonw hi edrin!
10:05 edrin hi egonw
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10:22 stain hi hi!
10:22 stain egonw: what does it mean on this twitter thing when you do ♻ @p_ansell  ?
10:22 egonw hi there
10:22 stain I'm so old and unexperienced in these new ways
10:22 egonw oh...
10:22 stain I'm backdating it into my command line irssi
10:22 stain some kind of recycled answer? :)
10:22 egonw did not know that ended up in the tweet like that !
10:22 egonw hahaha
10:22 egonw it's RT
10:22 stain could be a new trend!
10:23 egonw I thought that was just in the client :)
10:23 stain saves one character as well
10:23 egonw right :)
10:23 egonw good for the environment :)
10:24 egonw well, I guess RTs are intrinsically bad...
10:24 egonw anyways ... :)
11:37 CIA-63 bioclipse.qsar: Ola Spjuth master * r99ca636 / features/net.bioclipse.qsar_feature/feature.xml : Added rdf feature as required to qsar feature. - http://bit.ly/jK85q
11:57 CIA-63 bioclipse.qsar: Egon Willighagen master * r1b777d0 / plugins/net.bioclipse.qsar/src/net/bioc​lipse/qsar/business/OntologyHelper.java : Factored out to add the descriptors from a (compatible) OWL file to an existing DescriptorModel - http://bit.ly/uDLwy
11:57 CIA-63 bioclipse.qsar: Egon Willighagen master * rcf6f75d / (2 files): Added IQSARManager.addDescriptors(String url) to allow adding descriptor definitions in the descriptor algorithm OWL ontology - http://bit.ly/mPRCP
12:00 masak there's no such thing as "BSL". "BSL" is a lie.
12:00 masak there's only JavaScript, Groovy, and a set of imported objects with methods.
12:20 olass masak: name things, and they exist.
12:21 masak olass: I know you feel that way.
12:21 olass (an old saying of Jarl)
12:22 masak I happen to think it's an _advantage_ to be sporting unmodified JavaScript in Bioclipse.
12:22 masak a "Bioclipse Scripting Language" sounds very un-sexy to me.
12:22 olass sure, I agree
12:22 olass masak: I know you feel that way
12:22 masak :)
12:22 olass :)
12:22 masak "hey, look! we ignored all accumulated knowledge about languages and wrote our own!"
12:27 egonw masak: you also object against the name Chemical Markup Language, right?
12:27 egonw or Web Ontology Language, correct?
12:27 egonw of course we should have named it Bioclipse Scripting Dialiect
12:27 masak egonw: no, I think both these are warranted, because they denote _new_things_.
12:28 egonw go on...
12:28 egonw you almost have an argument
12:28 masak what people mistakenly refer to as BSL doesn't denote anything new. it's JavaScript.
12:28 masak it's not a new standard.
12:28 egonw define new
12:28 masak it's not a new syntax.
12:28 egonw a new vocabulary
12:28 masak it's a couple of methods on objects injected into plain JavaScript.
12:29 egonw cml does not bring a new syntax
12:29 masak egonw: I definitely like the term 'vocabulary'.
12:29 egonw neither does owl
12:29 masak egonw: best description I've heard so far.
12:29 egonw the first has the xml syntax
12:29 egonw the second if written as RDF/XML
12:29 masak egonw: I don't think that's the same.
12:29 egonw go on
12:29 masak egonw: when other people write libraries for JavaScript, they don't go out claiming it's a new language.
12:30 masak in fact, doing that would confuse a lot of people who might expect it to run under JavaScript.
12:31 egonw BSL does not run on any other JavaScript lib
12:31 egonw following your arguments, I'd say that we must not even call it JavaScript
12:31 masak that's neither here nor there.
12:32 egonw because it will not run in any JS environment, or would it?
12:32 masak but that's what it is. it's JavaScript.
12:32 masak what do you mean by JS environment?
12:32 masak it runs on top of Rhino.
12:49 egonw if I take a Bioclipse Script, would it run inside my browser?
12:50 egonw or on some other Rhino in some other application?
12:50 egonw even if I added all the jars?
12:55 masak I don't see why not.
12:55 masak just make sure to provide enough for the managers to do their work.
12:55 masak in this sense, the managers provide an abstract interface to some specific task.
12:56 masak but even if you had a point with that argument, that still doesn't make it more than a (Bioclipse-specific) library on top of JavaScript.
12:56 masak still not a new language.
13:01 egonw yes, I'm happy with that...
13:01 egonw but then I don't see how CML or OWL is a new language
13:03 masak maybe I do have double standards, because I didn't take part in naming those. :)
13:04 masak but I honestly think there's a difference.
13:04 masak CML and OWL strove to create a new standard from XML.
13:04 masak we strove to not create a new standard within JavaScript.
13:04 jonalv masak: are you sure?
13:04 masak jonalv: no.
13:05 * jonalv neither
13:05 masak and I'm willing to be convinced.
13:05 egonw I think they manager design can definately be considered a standard (closed/open)
13:05 masak "my opinion may change, but not the fact that I'm right" :)
13:05 egonw or hopefully it will be a standard
13:05 egonw but a standard != language
13:06 egonw except for the fact that a language actually is a open standard
13:06 egonw semi-open at least
13:06 egonw a standard anyway
13:06 masak right. I think we should hammer on the fact that it's plain, full JavaScript, instead of hammering on the lie that it's Bioclipse Scripting Language.
13:06 egonw jonalv: can you please send the ChemDataBase paper to the printer
13:06 egonw my laptop refuses
13:06 egonw or better...
13:07 egonw the printer refuses what my laptop sends
13:07 egonw or better...
13:07 jonalv egonw: I lost the printer from my computer :(
13:07 egonw it just eats it and nothing comes out
13:07 egonw ok, thanx anyway
13:07 egonw cu online tomorrow
13:07 masak o/
13:07 jonalv I must ask Magnus for a reinstallation of the writer...
13:08 jonalv |printer
13:54 olass jonalv: ping
13:55 CIA-63 bioclipse.core: Ola Spjuth master * r7105eec / plugins/net.bioclipse.databases/build.properties : Added required stuff to build.props. - http://bit.ly/F6Eux
13:55 CIA-63 bioclipse.core: Ola Spjuth master * r7234966 / (13 files in 8 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:olas/bioclipse.core - http://bit.ly/35tNHs
13:55 CIA-63 bioclipse.core: Ola Spjuth master * rf393aa0 / (19 files in 9 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:olas/bioclipse.core - http://bit.ly/R8EpF
13:55 CIA-63 bioclipse.core: Ola Spjuth master * r5102fea / (3 files): Added a common BIRT feature for Bioclipse. - http://bit.ly/teBEp
13:55 CIA-63 bioclipse.core: Ola Spjuth master * r9ff3ca3 / (8 files in 4 dirs): Added a BIRT plugin for Bioclipse that initializes WebViewer in background on startup. - http://bit.ly/zQkFA
13:57 jonalv olass: is all pushed?
13:57 olass yup
14:00 jonalv olass: so what is it I should try and run?
14:00 olass run?
14:00 CIA-63 bioclipse.ds: Ola Spjuth master * rbdc81af / features/net.bioclipse.ds.birt_feature/feature.xml : Refactored out birt classes from net.bc.ds.birt_feature to net.bc.birt_feature and set dep to this. - http://bit.ly/jgtQF
14:00 CIA-63 bioclipse.ds: Ola Spjuth master * rda3d7d0 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Commented out Webviewer.display(..) in Austostart since this should be handled by birt plugin (added dep to this as well). - http://bit.ly/1IhzoG
14:00 olass mom, telephone
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15:18 CIA-63 bioclipse.core: jonalv master * r24a51a4 / features/net.bioclipse.birt_feature/feature.xml :
15:18 CIA-63 bioclipse.core: Added deps needed by Brunn.
15:18 CIA-63 bioclipse.core: Added a couple of plugins needed by Brunn. - http://bit.ly/6BecV
15:18 CIA-63 bioclipse.structuredb: jonalv master * r65369a1 / plugins/net.bioclipse.structuredb/src/net/b​ioclipse/structuredb/domain/DBMolecule.java :
15:18 CIA-63 bioclipse.structuredb: Dummy implementation to implement interface.
15:18 CIA-63 bioclipse.structuredb: Just throws and Exception... - http://bit.ly/2oxDn5
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