Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #bioclipse, 2011-08-10

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07:46 egonw Gpox: I'll file Peter's report in bugzilla
08:11 CIA-120 bioclipse.core: Arvid Berg 2.5.x * r1159c6b / features/net.bioclipse.platform_feature/p2.inf : Updated default updatesite - http://bit.ly/prFdg1
08:14 egonw Gpox++
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08:15 egonw hi de_maas
08:16 egonw de_maas: meet Gpox
08:16 egonw Gpox: meet Peter
08:16 egonw de_maas: meet Arvid
08:16 egonw well, you get the idea :)
08:16 de_maas AHa, I'm back
08:16 egonw :)
08:17 egonw de_maas: Gpox is building a new 2.5.0 product on Hudson, with the final update site
08:17 egonw de_maas: please try installing the CDK feature with that one somewhere later when you have time
08:17 egonw http://pele.farmbio.uu.se/jenk​ins/job/Bioclipse.product/107/
08:17 egonw it's still building as we speak...
08:18 de_maas Sure, just let me know when the build is finished
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08:21 jonalv oh hai
08:21 zarah ni hao jonalv
08:27 egonw Gpox: just checked that patch of yours this morning
08:28 egonw Gpox: why not use the bioclipse.net reroute? didn't Samuel get that working in the end?
08:29 Gpox I tried the url in bioclipse and it did not work
08:29 egonw ah... :(
08:29 egonw Gpox: please file a bug report in pelezilla
08:29 egonw we must have a URL based on www.bioclipse.net
08:29 egonw otherwise not stable enough
08:32 egonw de_maas: new bc builds are ready: http://pele.farmbio.uu.se/je​nkins/job/Bioclipse.product/
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11:38 jonalv egonw: intresting point about recording
11:39 egonw it's all about learnability
11:39 jonalv egonw: oh? Explain
11:40 egonw http://chem-bla-ics.blogspot​.com/2011/08/usability.html
11:44 jonalv egonw: hm I have read that one
11:44 * jonalv takes a second look
11:44 jonalv egonw: okey, I fail to see the connection to recording
11:44 jonalv egonw: how do you mean?
11:45 egonw the recording functionality allows the user what is going on behind the scenes
11:46 jonalv yea, true. I am not sure I follow though
11:47 egonw well, the user learns this way the complexity of the algorithms behind a simple dialog 'Finish' button
11:48 egonw he can simply ignore it by just not opening the Rec view
11:48 egonw and this would make another nice blog post
11:48 jonalv hm I guess, it's also a quite a lot of work for that benefit
11:48 jonalv but maybe
11:49 egonw dunno... I never quite understood the full complexity of the problems involved in why as to the rec view I have seen in action was not good enough for a general public
11:50 jonalv egonw: hm, I guess
11:50 jonalv might be worth looking in to for 2.8
11:51 egonw yeah, just imagine... users clicks away in Bioclipse GUI, decides his workflow is done, hits "Run at Kalkyl" and goes home at 15:00 to wait for Kalkyl to finish, playing Eve
11:52 jonalv egonw: ah, well there is the difference
11:52 jonalv that would mena actually generating runnable code
11:52 jonalv not so easy
11:53 egonw well, any journey starts with putting one foot in front of the other
11:53 egonw masak could have said it :)
11:53 jonalv suppose, but I also think he would say it's an unsolvable problem. As in there will always be corner cases
11:58 egonw well, those are those complexities I don't get...
11:58 egonw I don't see why our environment cannot be clean enough to allow this
11:58 jonalv loops
11:59 jonalv instead of for 1..1000 it will be 100 lines
11:59 jonalv |1000
11:59 egonw ah!
11:59 jonalv unless the loop is inside the manager method
11:59 egonw that's what code optimizers are for
12:00 egonw but even 1000 copies is not an unsolvable prolem
12:00 egonw but even 1000 copies is not an unsolvable problem
12:00 egonw ugly, lengthy, but works perfectly fine
12:00 jonalv I suppose
12:00 egonw really, you must come up with a better argument :)
12:01 jonalv it is impossible to keep track of anything that is not a IBIoObject I thnk
12:01 egonw now that's a good argument
12:01 jonalv Strings, integers and doubles
12:01 egonw that's why I said:
12:01 egonw 08/10/11 13:58] <egonw> I don't see why our environment cannot be clean enough to allow this
12:01 jonalv they will noti be variables any longer but only there actual value can be recorded
12:02 jonalv |their
12:02 jonalv perhaps you are right
12:02 egonw but this is most certainly a more difficult thing to address
12:02 jonalv it's funny though cause I can sort of remember haing this discussion but roles reversed
12:02 egonw I can imagine some trickery here:
12:03 egonw var foo = bioclipse.createVariable(foo, bar)
12:03 jonalv I think it would be possible to solve most of these problems in groovy
12:04 jonalv but not in java
12:04 jonalv meaning it might be possible to get this behavior for the groovy console
12:04 egonw btw, heavy rain here now :)
12:05 jonalv yea I am so happy I made it back from my trip downtown
12:06 egonw I'm heavy that our house is in the higher areas of uppsala :)
12:07 jonalv oh flash and thunder here now
12:13 egonw yeah, just had to call the kids inside
12:13 jonalv ah you are still at home then?
12:13 egonw working from home today and tomorrow
12:14 jonalv saweet
12:15 egonw http://betterthangrep.com/
12:17 egonw oi, it just keeps coming down ...
12:17 egonw this is gonna overload the drainage for sure
12:18 egonw and the uppsala river perhaps too...
13:01 egonw mmm.... more heavy rain
13:02 egonw and according to the rain radar more on the way
13:02 jonalv okey
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15:08 egonw camp.ccc.de
15:08 egonw cool!
15:08 egonw Juul: having fun then, are you?
15:09 Juul egonw, :) yeah
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