Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #bioperl, 2013-02-27

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17:54 genehack was anybody planning on doing a bioperl talk at YAPC::NA? deafferret? rbuels?
17:54 genehack one of the organizers expressed an interest
17:54 rbuels genehack: not to my knowledge
17:54 rbuels genehack: well volunteered!
17:54 rbuels ;-)
17:54 genehack ok. it might be nice to do something about the re-org
17:55 genehack rbuels: i'm not unwilling i just don't want to step on toes or duplicate effort
17:55 genehack and some of the things i have to say are not super complimentary about the existing code 8^)
17:55 genehack s/i have/i would have/
17:55 * genehack makes a note to post to the mailing list about this
17:55 rbuels genehack: i don't think anybody has much that's complementary to say abou tit
17:56 genehack rbuels: yeah, i know, but it's different if you do it from the podium at a conf. 8^)
17:56 genehack versus on a barstool afterwards
18:01 deafferret genehack: as someone who never uses it anymore, I can honestly say that I really like bioperl! rbuels is just bitter because he still uses it occasionally (I assume). As a non bio-* person I'm happy to present basic stuff to non bioinf* professionals. I'm far less qualified than anyone who actually works in the field
18:01 deafferret genehack: who is the organizer that expressed an interest? we should probably talk on bioperl-l...?
18:02 deafferret (a mailing list I'm not currently on)
18:02 deafferret <--- 8000 emails behind
18:02 deafferret I love bio* as a hobby I barely participate in :)
18:03 * rbuels is a jaded professional
18:03 rbuels or what passes for a professional in this racket
18:04 deafferret rbuels++
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18:17 genehack deafferret: yeah, i'm going to take it to the list
18:17 genehack i think your oracle experience may have warped you however
18:17 genehack as the overall OO design of the current bioperl stuff makes me want to scream and/or punch things
18:17 genehack oh, and the random breakage.
18:17 genehack 8^)
18:20 deafferret genehack: as a USER its OO design is fine. It's only the contributors that suffer
18:20 deafferret and that's, what... 5% of the people who use/d it?
18:20 genehack speaking as somebody that occasionally teaches the use of it to n00bs, i disagree
18:21 deafferret oh really? I don't seem to have any problem showing people SeqIO and friends
18:21 genehack that's like 5% of what's in there
18:22 deafferret sure. each chunk its its own thing, and I've only touched 10% of it ever
18:22 deafferret it really ought to be bio.cpan.org  :)
18:22 genehack right, which is where i think the overall design is meh
18:23 genehack particularly the java-esque *I stuff, as opposed to something more duck type-ish
18:23 genehack having it all in one dist makes it all feel very ... coupled.
18:24 genehack but overall i touch it probably less than you do.
18:24 * genehack volunteers deafferret to do the talk at YAPC
18:24 deafferret -nod- a chronic complaint
18:24 deafferret ha! we should be a "bioperl rules vs. fuck bioperl" debate panel together
18:24 genehack i don't think i have any shining new insight here. 8^)
18:24 deafferret well, I KNOW I don't have any insights
18:25 genehack "it's a fucking mess and somebody should clean it up" could be the /topic here, no?
18:25 deafferret i just have a lot more experience than people who have spend < 100 hours in it :)
18:25 deafferret haha
18:26 deafferret that might be kinda fun -- an hour arguing about how awesome/shitty it is
18:26 genehack well, that's the other real issue, the DarkPAN thing is a serious factor here
18:27 deafferret genehack vs. deafferret   http://ecx.images-amazon.com/im​ages/I/51HxFI3EOeL._SY300_.jpg
18:28 genehack haha
18:28 genehack i don't know that i have an hour worth of bitching
18:28 genehack maybe 15 minutes repeated four times, with increasing amounts of swearing
18:28 deafferret you only need 25m of bitch, i need 25m of pro
18:28 deafferret that'd work :)
18:29 deafferret i'm totally game if you are
18:29 deafferret "2 people that don't use this thing, arguing energetically about it"
18:29 deafferret see what happens when the adults don't hang out in IRC?
18:30 deafferret <--- doe-eyed optimist
18:30 genehack sure, who's writing the talk submission
18:30 genehack .oO( sounds like a lot less work than doing a real talk ... )
18:30 deafferret ha, ya write it up if you're in
18:31 genehack lemme trawl the mailing list first
18:31 deafferret haha, paste this log in there
18:31 genehack since it is light coverage in here
18:31 genehack and we'll go from there
18:31 deafferret maybe the adults will attend YAPC instead of letting us do this :)
18:31 genehack even better, that's even less work
18:32 deafferret a m e n
18:33 deafferret https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V394ibWn2uI
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