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| 13:07 |
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shuff joined #crimsonfu |
| 13:17 |
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pdurbin |
shuff: you're basically working on PaaS, from what i understand |
| 13:18 |
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pdurbin |
i just listened to this episode on Red Hat's OpenShift. good stuff: The Cloudcast (.NET): Episode 13 - Meeting the PaaS Master + Show Notes - http://www.thecloudcast.net/20[…]07/cloudcast.html |
| 13:19 |
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pdurbin |
the Red Hat guy said they might offer OpenShift as a distro some day |
| 13:20 |
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shuff |
openshift is hella cool |
| 13:23 |
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pdurbin |
i'm trying to convince ironcamel to stand up a Dancer app with me: http://twitter.com/philipdurbi[…]78517701797494784 |
| 14:03 |
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| 14:17 |
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pdurbin |
shuff: i just stood up wellington.cgi! |
| 14:23 |
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| 14:31 |
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Pax |
Morning! |
| 14:32 |
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pdurbin |
morning |
| 14:33 |
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Pax |
oh hey pdurbin, yesterday you mentioned logstash, which looks like a cool project but I'm not sure it add's anything to what we've already got |
| 14:34 |
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pdurbin |
except that it's free and open source ;) |
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| 14:34 |
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shuff |
\o/ |
| 14:34 |
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Pax |
(besides cost) |
| 14:34 |
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Pax |
sure, but what problem is that solving for us? |
| 14:35 |
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pdurbin |
Pax: meh, it's more for whorka, who isn't using splunk. agoddard speaks highly of logstash |
| 14:35 |
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Pax |
while I'm *always* about looking for the FLOSS option, it's gotta at least be as good as what we already use |
| 14:36 |
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Pax |
That being said, if we weren't already using tool that were similar, it would for sure be on the shortlist |
| 14:36 |
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pdurbin |
Pax: ok, that's all i want :) |
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| 15:30 |
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ironcamel |
pdurbin: there is no convincing needed. If it's a Dancer app, I'm in :) |
| 15:30 |
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shuff |
:) |
| 15:30 |
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ironcamel |
pdurbin: just waiting on you to through something up on github |
| 15:31 |
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pdurbin |
ironcamel: yeah, ball's in my court |
| 15:32 |
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ironcamel |
s/through/throw :) |
| 15:33 |
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pdurbin |
ironcamel: in the meantime, you could stand up a Dancer app on OpenShift :) |
| 15:40 |
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ironcamel |
pdurbin: sure |
| 15:45 |
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pdurbin |
i bet some other crimsonfu members would be interested in openshift, so when you have a public url to share, please do! |
| 15:45 |
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ironcamel |
sure thing |
| 18:01 |
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ironcamel |
deadly linux commands: https://plus.google.com/u/0/11[…]posts/d64bp6rkZMC |
| 18:01 |
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ironcamel |
some interesting ones on there |
| 18:05 |
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pdurbin |
mmm, fork bomb |
| 18:05 |
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pdurbin |
"Never download from untrusted sources, and then execute the possibly malicious codes that they are giving you." *ahem* RVM |
| 18:16 |
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ironcamel |
you mean the directions for installing rvm? |
| 18:18 |
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ironcamel |
cpanminus has an interesting feature. you can install via curl -L cpanmin.us | sudo perl - Module::Name |
| 18:18 |
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ironcamel |
but that is very dangerous, so there is a --sudo feature |
| 18:19 |
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ironcamel |
curl -L http://cpanmin.us | perl - --sudo Module::Name |
| 18:19 |
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ironcamel |
https://metacpan.org/module/Ap[…]ng-to-system-perl |
| 18:20 |
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pdurbin |
yeah. . . i use RPMs. or local::lib |
| 18:20 |
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ironcamel |
and the --sudo flag makes it so that privileges are elevated only for the part where cpanminus is copying the files over |
| 18:20 |
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ironcamel |
local::lib++ |
| 18:20 |
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ironcamel |
do you know about perlbrew |
| 18:22 |
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pdurbin |
i had to use perlbrew on snow leopard (os x) because perl was so broken. now i'm back to local::lib on mac |
| 18:24 |
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ironcamel |
i like perlbrew because it lets you use the latest greatest version of perl with all the latest features |
| 18:24 |
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pdurbin |
that's understandable. i tend to write to the lowest common denominator: RHEL :) |
| 18:25 |
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ironcamel |
RHEL 5? |
| 18:25 |
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pdurbin |
RHEL 6 |
| 18:26 |
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ironcamel |
so you are at least using the perl 5.10 syntax candy? |
| 18:26 |
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pdurbin |
maybe. i don't know :) |
| 18:26 |
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ironcamel |
given/when, say, state, and // |
| 18:26 |
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pdurbin |
nope |
| 18:27 |
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pdurbin |
too fancy for me |
| 18:27 |
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* ironcamel |
bonks pdurbin on the head |
| 18:27 |
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ironcamel |
you should at least look into given/when, it is amazing |
| 18:27 |
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ironcamel |
it has "pattern matching" |
| 18:28 |
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ironcamel |
only other language i know that has that is scala |
| 18:28 |
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ironcamel |
it has nothing to do with regex patterns |
| 18:28 |
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ironcamel |
and say "foo" is same thing as print "foo\n" |
| 18:28 |
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pdurbin |
"You know, I actually advise people to avoid given/when" --rjbs 2011-04-28 |
| 18:28 |
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ironcamel |
don't listen to him |
| 18:29 |
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ironcamel |
listen to everything else he says, just ignore that bit |
| 18:29 |
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pdurbin |
heh |
| 18:29 |
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pdurbin |
i should ask him if i can publish this email |
| 18:30 |
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pdurbin |
or has he written about it extensively already? |
| 18:30 |
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ironcamel |
he wrote you that in an email? |
| 18:30 |
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pdurbin |
yeah |
| 18:31 |
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ironcamel |
what were you emailing him about? |
| 18:31 |
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pdurbin |
plus a long explanation i don't understand |
| 18:32 |
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pdurbin |
something for shuff: Bug #64302 for Dist-Zilla: Requiring EU:MM 6.31 excludes RHEL5 - https://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug[…]lay.html?id=64302 |
| 18:32 |
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ironcamel |
i wonder if he wrote that before 5.10.1 was released |
| 18:32 |
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ironcamel |
because 5.10.0 had some issues with given/when that were fixed |
| 18:32 |
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pdurbin |
he wrote it 2011-04-28 |
| 18:33 |
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shuff |
resolved! \o/ |
| 18:37 |
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ironcamel |
pdurbin: you should also consider what the book Modern Perl has to say about it (free digital version available) |
| 18:37 |
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ironcamel |
and also Programming Perl 4th edition, which just came out and i just receieved, and it covers Perl up to version 5.14 |
| 18:38 |
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pdurbin |
ironcamel: what's your hurry to be so modern? ;) |
| 18:40 |
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ironcamel |
i'm a modern type of guy i guess |
| 18:40 |
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ironcamel |
i like my edges to be bleeding |
| 18:43 |
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pdurbin |
shuff had suggested I switch from YAML to YAML::Any but i think i'm going to switch back to the former because the latter isn't in our default yum repos |
| 18:50 |
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pdurbin |
speaking of fancy: Highcharts - Interactive JavaScript charts for your webpage - http://www.highcharts.com |
| 18:51 |
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ironcamel |
wow |
| 19:04 |
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| 19:54 |
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pdurbin |
shuff, i take it back, i do have YAML::Any already |
| 19:57 |
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ironcamel |
just saw that you can link to MULTIPLE lines in github https://github.com/jinzhu/vrom[…]c_example#L16:L20 |
| 19:57 |
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ironcamel |
I'm not sure how to do that using the UI though |
| 19:57 |
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pdurbin |
huh. nice |
| 20:03 |
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ironcamel |
pdurbin: just thought of another reason for you to become more "modern". Perl 5.8 and 5.10 are no longer supported. see the /topic in #perl |
| 20:05 |
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pdurbin |
ironcamel: it's a good point |
| 20:05 |
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pdurbin |
here you go: http://blogs.perl.org/users/ph[…]id-givenwhen.html |
| 20:06 |
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ironcamel |
pdurbin: damn, he wrote you back quick |
| 20:06 |
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pdurbin |
he's the man |
| 20:07 |
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pdurbin |
as we've discussed, i'm a fan of dzil |
| 20:07 |
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ironcamel |
dzil++ |
| 20:09 |
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pdurbin |
jeez, does the formatting on that post look terrible or is it just me? |
| 20:09 |
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pdurbin |
i guess i can read it if i copy and paste it into gedit or whatever |
| 20:11 |
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ironcamel |
yes, formatting is horrible |
| 20:11 |
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ironcamel |
it is cutting off the right edge |
| 20:11 |
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ironcamel |
oh, let me try that ... |
| 20:11 |
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pdurbin |
it just threw it in a <pre> tage with markdown |
| 20:12 |
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pdurbin |
s/tage/tag/ |
| 20:12 |
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ironcamel |
i highlighted the text, then did: xclip -o | nopaste -l test |
| 20:12 |
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ironcamel |
to get http://paste.perldancer.org/1uYeL1Fi6M5sL |
| 20:13 |
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pdurbin |
ah, much more readable. thanks |
| 20:13 |
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ironcamel |
xclip -o | nopaste |
| 20:13 |
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ironcamel |
you should cpanm nopaste |
| 20:13 |
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ironcamel |
if you don't have it already |
| 20:14 |
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ironcamel |
its a create tool. you can pass a file nopaste foo.sh |
| 20:15 |
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ironcamel |
or it reads from stdin, echo hello | nopaste |
| 20:15 |
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ironcamel |
and you can configure which nopaste service it will use, otherwise it will use a default one |
| 20:15 |
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ironcamel |
s/create tool/great tool/ |
| 20:16 |
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pdurbin |
do you mean http://search.cpan.org/perldoc?App::Nopaste ? |
| 20:16 |
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ironcamel |
yes |
| 20:18 |
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ironcamel |
cpanm doesn't require fully qualified name |
| 20:18 |
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ironcamel |
for example, you can cpanm cpanm :) |
| 20:18 |
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ironcamel |
that upgrades your App::cpanminus |
| 20:18 |
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ironcamel |
or cpanm p |
| 20:18 |
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ironcamel |
that installs App::p |
| 20:19 |
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pdurbin |
i've been meaning to try cpanm. does it work with local::lib? or otherwise allow me to just install stuff in my home directory, not as root? |
| 20:19 |
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ironcamel |
yes, definitely works with local::lib |
| 20:19 |
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ironcamel |
and it has this awesome -l option |
| 20:19 |
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ironcamel |
cpanm -L extlib Plack |
| 20:19 |
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ironcamel |
that will install Plack and all its deps in a local folder named extlib |
| 20:20 |
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ironcamel |
using local::lib |
| 20:20 |
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pdurbin |
hmm, cool |
| 20:20 |
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ironcamel |
it's a great way to package all your deps locally |
| 20:20 |
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ironcamel |
for distribution |
| 20:21 |
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ironcamel |
-l, --local-lib Sets the local::lib compatible path to install modules to. |
| 20:22 |
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pdurbin |
nice, i typed `echo crimsonfu | nopaste` and it posted http://pastie.org/3610596 |
| 20:22 |
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ironcamel |
Reading rjbs's response, its almost like he is complaining that the smart match operator is too powerful. |
| 20:23 |
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ironcamel |
He does have a valid point about how $_ is localized, but I doubt I would run into that issue, and if I did, now I know how to get around it :) |
| 20:24 |
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ironcamel |
pdurbin: I installed App::Nopaste::Service::Pastedance and configured nopaste to use that by default |
| 20:24 |
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ironcamel |
by adding this to my bashrc: export NOPASTE_SERVICES=Pastedance |
| 20:24 |
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pdurbin |
nice |
| 20:25 |
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ironcamel |
figured it would give a little more visibility to Dancer if i used that one by default |
| 20:28 |
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ironcamel |
pdurbin: http://paste.perldancer.org/1M2k1rNFxpRcf |
| 20:29 |
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ironcamel |
that is a program i wrote during a programming exercise at work, for calculating roman numerals |
| 20:29 |
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ironcamel |
notice how i use given/when and how awesome it is |
| 20:29 |
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ironcamel |
when it matches against a list, it checks if $_ is in the list |
| 20:30 |
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ironcamel |
if it matches against a string or number, it checks for equality |
| 20:31 |
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ironcamel |
it follows the DWIM (do what i mean) philosphy. it can match against regexes, functions, hashes, ... it just does the right thing |
| 20:31 |
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ironcamel |
apparently, this makes rjbs uncomfortable |
| 20:35 |
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pdurbin |
very cool. will study it more later. have a good weekend! |
| 20:38 |
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ironcamel |
pdurbin: thanks, you too |
| 20:41 |
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ironcamel |
pdurbin: I wonder if rjbs would also dislike scala's pattern matching: http://www.scala-lang.org/node/120 |
| 20:42 |
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ironcamel |
"Scala has a built-in general pattern matching mechanism. It allows to match on any sort of data with a first-match policy." |
| 20:43 |
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ironcamel |
http://www.joergm.com/2009/04/[…]tching-explained/ |
