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pdurbin_m |
The Future Is Now — Ansible - SSH-Based Configuration Management & Deployment http://ansible.github.com http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansible_(software) . from the guy who wrote cobbler. competes with puppet, chef, salt, cfengine, etc. |
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pdurbin_m |
the chef guy mentioned it in his interview on floss weekly |
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pdurbin_m |
http://twit.tv/show/floss-weekly/219 |
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pdurbin_m |
"Not only is Ansible very simple and easy to learn/extend, it’s configuration management, deployment, and ad-hoc tasks all in one app. And I think that makes it pretty powerful. It hasn’t really been done before." -- http://ansible.github.com/faq.html . salt did this first, right? |
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pdurbin_m |
some good chat about ansible at http://irclog.perlgeek.de/salt[…]2-03-19#i_5319298 |
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pdurbin_m |
some of the "why ansible" https://groups.google.com/foru[…]mqrw/HirTTeHdws0J |
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oliver |
the "30 mins to get something up and running" before people lose interest is a good point |
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oliver |
I'm having a bad time with cfengine3 which has such a complex config language I have trouble working out where to start |
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oliver |
and also, no confidence in what it's doing matching my intention |
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oliver |
I'm using it because a few other teams here are, and I used cfengine2 in the past. but I feel right now there's no way my colleagues are going to buy into cfg mgmt if it's done with cfengine3 :-/ |
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oliver |
(we're a network team not a pure sysadmin team) |
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pdurbin |
oliver: i find salt's configs to be pretty readable. they're in yaml. here's how i configure my home server: http://git.greptilian.com/?p=s[…]35b186a11;hb=HEAD |
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oliver |
pdurbin: thanks. more intuitive, I agree |
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pdurbin |
i've never played with cfengine. i hear version 3 is better than 2 |
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oliver |
it is, much. an impressive system which can do a whole lot of useful things |
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oliver |
sadly not a nice config language, that's all |
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pdurbin |
did you know chef was written in perl originally? |
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oliver |
no I didn't :) |
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pdurbin |
but adam jacob couldn't make a nice dsl with perl |
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oliver |
heh |
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oliver |
yeah, cfengine's is almost like writing C |
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pdurbin |
certainly making dsl's is more common is ruby. i wonder if perl isn't up to the task |
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pdurbin |
anyway, this was in the podcast i linked above: http://twit.tv/show/floss-weekly/219 |
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oliver |
I used to follow TWiT stuff a lot - don't have as much time recently, it seems |
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oliver |
thanks, I'll bookmark that one at least |
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pdurbin |
in the end, he says uses ruby the most but that his favorite scripting language is still perl. mostly because of the attitude and the community |
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oliver |
sounds about right. and I can imagine the issues Perl would present in a DSL |
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pdurbin |
he said he couldn't get away from people haven't to think that they're writing in perl |
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oliver |
*nods* |
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oliver |
it's a toolsmith's language, really. it doesn't always scale from tools to apps. |
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pdurbin |
he said that by writing chef in ruby, he could get people to not have to think they are writing in ruby |
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oliver |
and cfg mgmt might be more of an app - where the end user shouldnt be thinking about the app but the end results |
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oliver |
or, what you said :) |
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oliver |
http://london.pm.org/pipermail[…]10530/020824.html |
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oliver |
one has to be pragmatic about these things |
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pdurbin |
wow, Simon Cozens is a big fan of drupal, apparently |
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oliver |
I think he was just saying he wanted to pick something off the shelf to do what he wanted, and it was Good Enough |
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oliver |
personally I don't really like any programming language as a DSL |
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oliver |
it's a bit like using programming languages in templates, eventually it becomes code with a bit of data, rather than the other way around |
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pdurbin |
i guess C is a pretty good language to write a DSL in... yielded perl, php, python, ruby, etc. :) |
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oliver |
heheh :) |
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pdurbin |
how can shuff be on vacation or whatever when i have icinga questions |
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semiosis |
happy sysadmin day everyone |
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pdurbin |
semiosis: you too! welcome to crimsonfu! |
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semiosis |
i see the acronym in the /topic and i can't help but wonder if it's not a backronym honoring a particular institution of higher learning |
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pdurbin |
semiosis: "Crimson is the color associated with the school where the founders met (as staff members), but we welcome all comers!" -- http://crimsonfu.github.com |
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pdurbin |
"Historically, we have released security patches and current OS. We have released security patches for just the prior OS as well. Leopard has not received a standard security patch since Lion's release last year." --some guy from apple. when i worked at berklee, we had a "no food in the server room" rule. no apples |
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JoeJulian |
A rule that it appears rackerhacker has decided to adopt. |
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* rackerhacker |
wuts |
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* semiosis |
reads the github page |
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JoeJulian |
Since you're here, rackerhacker... rackspace / openstack-guest-agents-unix doesn't build in CentOS. Do you guys just build the tarball in another distro? |
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pdurbin |
crimsonfubot: lucky openstack-guest-agents-unix |
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crimsonfubot |
pdurbin: https://launchpad.net/openstack-guest-agents |
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JoeJulian |
Code hosting for this project has been split into 2 different repos hosted on github: |
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rackerhacker |
i haven't actually built it, either |
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rackerhacker |
we have two guys here who are experts on it |
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* JoeJulian |
thought rackerhacker knew all... |
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rackerhacker |
haha, hardly! |
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rackerhacker |
i'm knee deep in corosync/pacemaker/drbd today |
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JoeJulian |
Ew.. be careful. You're likely to lose a toe in drbd. |
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rackerhacker |
i hardly have toes left from previous experiences |
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agoddard |
just updated it mountain lion.. restart to being back in my browser - 15min |
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agoddard |
#thatsCrazy |
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pdurbin |
i was thinking i'd do a fresh install. like i always do. need media though |
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pdurbin |
have a good weekend, all |
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agoddard |
ya, I always do fresh install, this box is basically brand new, so I might give it a little while and then do a reinstall in 6 months to clean it out a bit. I think you can do the upgrade, then boot into the recovery partition and redo it, would probably be the quickest way. Have a great weekend |
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jimi_c |
started playing with jenkins - it is pretty sweet |
