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| 01:06 |
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| 12:50 |
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pdurbin |
When is "Free" Linux more expensive? When you have an enterprise to run. |
| 12:50 |
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pdurbin |
It sounds logical--running your IT infrastructure on non-paid community Linux distributions can save your organization money, right? Think again. |
| 12:50 |
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pdurbin |
When organizations select a solution that is not commercially supported, they become less efficient and experience operational costs and risks that quickly add up. Lower staff productivity. More downtime. More helpdesk issues. The software may be “free,” but the impact on IT efficiency and the costs that result are real. The good news is that Red Hat can help. |
| 12:51 |
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pdurbin |
via 'Is "Free" Linux putting your IT efficiency at risk?' from email engage.redhat.com |
| 12:56 |
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pdurbin |
sjoeboo: this is the vim plugin i've used for puppet: https://github.com/rodjek/vim-puppet/ |
| 12:59 |
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sjoeboo |
yeah, thats what i use….the > auto indent stopped working for me @ some point ... |
| 12:59 |
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pdurbin |
i need to start using it again... switched up my dotfiles recently |
| 13:02 |
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pdurbin |
still banging away at RT packaging. stumbled upon this last night: http://search.cpan.org/dist/carton/ carton - Perl module dependency manager (aka Bundler for Perl) |
| 13:06 |
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pdurbin |
Encode >= 2.39 ...MISSING |
| 13:07 |
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pdurbin |
hmm, i'm getting 2.35 from /usr/lib64/perl5/Encode.pm provided by perl-5.10.1-127.el6.x86_64 |
| 13:08 |
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pdurbin |
right, no el6 package. http://pkgs.repoforge.org/perl-Encode/ hmm |
| 13:10 |
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pdurbin |
so http://pkgs.repoforge.org/perl[…]2.39-1.rf.src.rpm build cleanly on el6 but (naturally) lots of conflicts with perl-5.10.1-127.el6.x86_64 when i go to install... |
| 13:12 |
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pdurbin |
"Dependency resolution note: Some of this package's dependencies will not install cleanly via yum due to the fact that they conflict with files owned by system packages. These packages must be downloaded manually and installed with --force: perl-File-Temp perl-Sys-Syslog perl-Encode perl-CGI" -- whorka's spec file, regarding el5. ain't that the truth |
| 13:14 |
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pdurbin |
ran `rpm -Uvh --force perl-Encode-2.39-1.el6.x86_64.rpm` and now... "All dependencies have been found.` from `rpmbuild -ba rt.spec` (whorka's el5 spec) |
| 13:15 |
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pdurbin |
/usr/bin/install -c -m 0755 -o bin -g bin -d /n/home06/pdurbin/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/rt-4.0.6-1.HMDC.RHEL.x86_64/usr/local/rt/etc |
| 13:15 |
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pdurbin |
/usr/bin/install: cannot change owner and permissions of `/n/home06/pdurbin/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/rt-4.0.6-1.HMDC.RHEL.x86_64/usr/local/rt/etc': Operation not permitted |
| 13:24 |
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pdurbin |
jmdh: when you build the debian package for RT, do you have to build it as root? |
| 13:25 |
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pdurbin |
whorka: your rt.spec file works if i run rpmbuild as root but i HATE running rpmbuild as root |
| 13:27 |
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jmdh |
pdurbin: usually Debian packages are built with a utility called fakeroot which takes care of things like changing permissions |
| 13:27 |
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jmdh |
so no |
| 13:28 |
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pdurbin |
right, sjoeboo was using `mock` yesterday. i'm doing without mock |
| 13:28 |
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jmdh |
ah, mock rings a bell from the last time I was involved in red hat stuff |
| 13:28 |
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sjoeboo |
its nice |
| 13:28 |
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jmdh |
that was helping out with fedoralegacy.org |
| 14:06 |
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| 14:42 |
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pdurbin |
ok, i linked to my rt 4 rpm, srpm, etc. from here: http://wiki.greptilian.com/request-tracker/ |
| 14:42 |
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pdurbin |
now to see if it works! :) |
| 14:47 |
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rackerhacker |
interesting stuff -> http://royal.pingdom.com/2012/[…]graphics-in-2012/ |
| 14:57 |
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rackerhacker |
question for you guys, if you wanted to migrate MySQL data from an old server to a new one with little downtime, how would you do it? |
| 14:57 |
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rackerhacker |
we have some ideas here but i'm curious to know if you guys know something creative |
| 14:57 |
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rackerhacker |
and we have about 1200 nodes hitting the db that can't get their configs flipped simultaneously :P |
| 15:00 |
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pdurbin |
rackerhacker: maybe have the new server take over the ip of the old server |
| 15:00 |
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rackerhacker |
that was the leading idea here |
| 15:00 |
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pdurbin |
\o/ |
| 15:00 |
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rackerhacker |
set up master/slave and then have the slave take the master's IP |
| 15:00 |
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rackerhacker |
then tickle puppet to use the new IP |
| 15:01 |
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pdurbin |
yeah, sounds reasonable... |
| 15:01 |
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pdurbin |
maybe in the future we won't have this problem. databases won't be so tied to a single host |
| 15:02 |
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jmdh |
first, get a time machine... |
| 15:02 |
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pdurbin |
heh |
| 15:02 |
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pdurbin |
i've been meaning to play with riak for this |
| 15:03 |
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pdurbin |
i mean, if you're building a new app in 2012. green field. do you put your data in mysql? |
| 15:03 |
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pdurbin |
do you bake in a single point of failure |
| 15:03 |
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rackerhacker |
pdurbin: i'd rather use foxpro |
| 15:03 |
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pdurbin |
:) |
| 15:04 |
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pdurbin |
oh, whorka, your rt 4 rpm seems to work fine. thanks!! |
| 15:04 |
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pdurbin |
from what i can tell. not really an rt guru... |
| 15:04 |
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whorka |
glad to hear it. |
| 15:05 |
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pdurbin |
i had to build the rpm as root :( |
| 15:05 |
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whorka |
yeah, RT's Makefile does chowns |
| 15:06 |
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pdurbin |
should i report this to the rt devs? is it a bug? |
| 15:06 |
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whorka |
I believe they intend you should build it as root. Though I suppose you might be able to ./configure it to use your username for all file ownerships. |
| 15:07 |
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pdurbin |
... and then fix the ownership in the %files section of the spec file? |
| 15:07 |
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whorka |
yeah |
| 15:07 |
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pdurbin |
yeah, that makes sense... |
| 15:07 |
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pdurbin |
i wonder if the rt3 spec file from fedora builds as non-root... |
| 15:10 |
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pdurbin |
whorka: would this be a non-issue if you and i were using mock? |
| 15:10 |
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whorka |
perhaps? I've never tried. |
| 15:11 |
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pdurbin |
yesterday i emailed the guy who maintains https://admin.fedoraproject.or[…]gdb/acls/name/rt3 and http://corsepiu.fedorapeople.o[…]packages/rt4.spec but i haven't heard back |
| 15:12 |
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pdurbin |
i took a quick swing at getting it to build. but i'm sticking with yours for now. again, it seems to work |
| 15:14 |
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pdurbin |
and i'll know that at least one other group is actively using it :) |
| 15:27 |
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pdurbin |
whorka: via #rt: 11:25 < trs> specifying --with-my-user-group to configure will make every user/group `id -un` and `id -gn` |
| 15:27 |
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whorka |
there you go |
| 15:28 |
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pdurbin |
trs said "ugh" to "Comment out the Makefile trying to change groups/owners" -- http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/[…]ree/rt3.spec#n320 |
| 15:31 |
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pdurbin |
they says 4.0.7 is coming out soon |
| 15:53 |
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pdurbin |
no changelog that i can find but release candidates will be announced on the dev list |
| 15:58 |
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pdurbin |
whorka: think we can use the same spec file? i made a few changes. mostly by adding BuildRequires. and now i'm thinking about trying that --with-my-user-group thing. should we put the spec file on github? |
| 16:00 |
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whorka |
please! |
| 16:00 |
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pdurbin |
:) |
| 16:01 |
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pdurbin |
i guess we could stick it under https://github.com/crimsonfu . or wherever... |
| 16:02 |
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pdurbin |
unless you want to get it in repoforge... |
| 16:03 |
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pdurbin |
my main interest is a common, working spec file under source control in public |
| 16:20 |
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pdurbin |
"The Bourne Again Shell (a.k.a. Bash) Framework attempts to deliver a more robust, modular, and object-oriented[-ish] approach to shell scripting." -- http://www.neuroinfo.org/bash_framework.php |
| 16:26 |
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semiosis |
http://lab.madscience.nl/oo.sh.txt |
| 16:26 |
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pdurbin |
oo bash. yikes |
| 17:06 |
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pdurbin |
perl '-V:.*site.*' | grep ^install ; perl '-V:.*vendor.*' | grep ^install ... for installsitearch, installsitelib, installvendorarch, installvendorlib, etc. see also How do I find the standard site_perl directory for Perl? - Stack Overflow - http://stackoverflow.com/quest[…]irectory-for-perl |
| 17:09 |
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pdurbin |
right. perl '-V:.*' to see everything |
| 17:10 |
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ironcamel |
perl -V:^site.* |
| 17:10 |
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ironcamel |
no, that's not what you want |
| 17:11 |
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ironcamel |
perl -V:^install.*site.* |
| 17:11 |
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ironcamel |
perl -V:^installsite.* |
| 17:11 |
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pdurbin |
i'm still wondering who packaged HTML::Mason correctly, EPEL or Repoforge: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/crim[…]2-08-20#i_5913486 |
| 17:12 |
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ironcamel |
whoever puts it in vendor_perl did it right |
| 17:12 |
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pdurbin |
ironcamel: ok. thanks :) |
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| 17:13 |
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pdurbin |
repoforge it looks like, since i was installing perl-HTML-Mason-1.45-2.el6.rf.noarch.rpm |
| 17:15 |
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pdurbin |
see also http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Perl |
| 18:14 |
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pdurbin |
huh. i had heard of gerrit but not this: Take the pain out of code review | Review Board - http://www.reviewboard.org |
| 19:16 |
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pdurbin |
mock -r rc6-plus rt-4.0.6-1.HMDC.RHEL.src.rpm |
| 19:16 |
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* pdurbin |
plays with mock for the first time |
| 19:16 |
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pdurbin |
file /usr/share/man/man3/Getopt::Long.3pm.gz conflicts between attempted installs of perl-Getopt-Long-2.38-1.el6.rfx.noarch and perl-4:5.10.1-127.el6.x86_64 |
| 19:17 |
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pdurbin |
bleh |
| 19:20 |
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larsks |
Just passing through: mock is a *great* idea, because it forces you to get your dependencies right :). |
| 19:58 |
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pdurbin |
larsks: amen |
| 19:58 |
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pdurbin |
Red Hat | Red Hat Announces Preview Version of Enterprise-Ready OpenStack Distribution - http://www.redhat.com/about/ne[…]tack-distribution |
| 19:59 |
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pdurbin |
http://www.redhat.com/tryopenstack |
| 20:02 |
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pdurbin |
Getting Started Guide - Red Hat Customer Portal - https://access.redhat.com/know[…]_Guide/index.html |
| 20:03 |
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pdurbin |
Release Notes - Red Hat Customer Portal - https://access.redhat.com/know[…]_Notes/index.html |
| 20:03 |
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pdurbin |
http://www.redhat.com/openstack/FAQ/ |
| 20:23 |
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pdurbin |
"Instructions for how to get started with OpenStack by configuring a single node environment." |
| 20:25 |
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pdurbin |
westmaas: oh. you linked to these already... http://irclog.perlgeek.de/crim[…]2-08-14#i_5897210 |
| 20:26 |
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pdurbin |
i guess it didn't feel very real. some PDFs on some dropbox account |
| 20:26 |
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westmaas |
haha |
| 20:26 |
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westmaas |
blame rackerhacker |
| 20:26 |
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* pdurbin |
shakes fist at rackerhacker |
| 20:26 |
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rackerhacker |
what did i do? |
| 20:27 |
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westmaas |
you put getting started guides in a shadey looking dropbox account |
| 22:54 |
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JoeJulian |
I'm ready for a nap... http://joejulian.name/blog/hal[…]-nat-tranlations/ |
