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IRC log for #crimsonfu, 2012-12-06

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00:54 JoeJulian Anybody need a 600PB drive? ;) http://fpaste.org/300y/
02:42 pdurbin User Capacity:        600,332,565,813,390,450 bytes [600 PB]
02:42 pdurbin nice
02:43 JoeJulian Two failed drives within an hour of each other. :(
02:44 pdurbin miah: not a bad desk
02:44 miah my girlfriend and i made it
02:46 pdurbin bah! i just realized i left helpful comments on a non-public post. about standing desks. here are the helpful public tweets: https://twitter.com/coxmat​/status/275267931938643968 https://twitter.com/coxmat​/status/275290167839965185
02:47 pdurbin (building your own standing desk for cheap from IKEA stuff)
02:48 pdurbin and of course there's marco arment's coke can standing desk. a classic: http://m.flickr.com/#/phot​os/marcoarment/3234209861/
02:48 pdurbin JoeJulian: :(
02:50 * pdurbin just got a retina macbook pro today. #newjob
02:55 pdurbin ironcamel: you and i talking retina displays and linux: https://plus.google.com/10249971​9144563443986/posts/fbDDjoPR1g1
03:02 miah ah. we are really choosey about what we buy from ikea. we build lots of stuff though.
03:04 pdurbin my wife is the crafy one: https://plus.google.com/10994058​3958656614840/posts/5tbghDBh1Bq
03:07 jimi_c_ that is a cool desk, and simple :) this is a table I made - http://lumberjocks.com/projects/39280
03:07 pdurbin lumberjocks! great table
03:07 jimi_c_ and this is my current project: http://lumberjocks.com/Jimi_C/blog/29847 (my everest...)
03:08 jimi_c_ sad thing is, i haven't made any progress on it since i made that blog entry :( i really need to finish that up - prego wife is taking precedence though :)
03:09 jimi_c_ i really like that site, helped me learn a lot when i was thinking about taking up furniture building as a hobby
03:10 pdurbin very nice. (and congrats!)
03:11 jimi_c_ had i not mentioned that in here? we're having twins :) just found out last week it's twin boys too... o_O
03:11 pdurbin heh. wait. have kids already or not?
03:11 jimi_c_ no, these will be our first
03:12 pdurbin ah. i don't wish you a three year old who won't sleep. and won't let you leave the room. at least she doesn't seem to mind my typing
03:12 jimi_c_ heh
03:13 miah awesome
03:13 pdurbin she's less interested in irssi than lumberjocks
03:13 miah my girlfriend is a fiber arts major
03:16 pdurbin hmm, i guess my friend is more yarn and fabric: http://curiousthreads.tumblr.com
03:16 miah cool
03:20 pdurbin i'm a little confused about how to create my own puppet module
03:21 pdurbin one that could (some day) be published to puppetforge
03:21 pdurbin "Error: Could not generate directory "ilbot", you must specify a dash-separated username and module name"
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03:22 pdurbin oh, i guess they want "pdurbin" or whatever, like `puppet module generate pdurbin-ilbot`
03:23 pdurbin because i'm sure so many people want to write an ilbot module
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07:43 simmel pdurbin: Uh, maybe? I've never tried. openssl.vim just uses openssl enc so for me that's just a password.
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11:15 pdurbin mmm. podcasts: 082 RR Vagrant with Michael Ries - http://rubyrogues.com/082-rr​-vagrant-with-michael-ries/
11:16 pdurbin huh. a transcript even
11:18 pdurbin "KATRINA: I wonder if anybody uses it to teach programming classes."
11:18 pdurbin from what i understand puppet labs uses vagrant to teach puppet in their classes
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12:59 pdurbin thinking about using puppet to manage my new mac. have never used puppet on a mac before. mostly i just want to install and configure postgres for now
15:39 pdurbin VT-x/AMD-V hardware acceleration is not available on your system. Your 64-bit guest will fail to detect a 64-bit CPU and will not be able to boot.
15:39 pdurbin i bet that's why
15:39 pdurbin config.vm.boot_mode = :gui
15:43 pdurbin yep
15:43 pdurbin boegel: so maybe i'll have the guy who's on a mac try https://github.com/pdurbin/easybuild-vagrant
15:43 pdurbin he's the one who has the ticket to read your paper anyway :)
15:45 pdurbin (i can't ask the ubuntu guy to reboot. he's busy) :)
15:45 pdurbin er, linux mint. whatever
15:46 boegel pdurbin: sure
15:47 boegel pdurbin: EasyBuild currently has some issues on OS X, but nothing major afaik
15:47 pdurbin boegel: that shouldn't matter. i'm talking about vagrant. easybuild gets installed within a centos 6 vm within vagrant
15:50 pdurbin whorka: i can confirm that vagrant works just fine with centos 6 as the host, the hypervisor, the "dom0" vagrant_1.0.5_x86_64.rpm from http://downloads.vagrantup.com/tags/v1.0.5
15:52 boegel pdurbin: nice! :)
15:52 boegel pdurbin: well, it works fine for building gzip
15:52 pdurbin boegel: yeah? you tried my vagrant thing?
15:52 boegel pdurbin: not yet, very little time I'm afraid, but it's a cool way of testing EasyBuild :)
15:52 dotplus I have a VM running on a kvm hypervisor. VM's disk is LVM2 volgroup provided by hypervisor's iscsi initiator from a remote nas. if the iscsi connection fails, the VM keeps running, but is kinda limping along unable to read/write. When the target/LUN comes back, trying to remount the filesystem RW from within the VM fails. (How) can i kick the iscsi on the hypervisor to get things going again?
15:53 boegel pdurbin: try running "eb FFTW-3.3.1-gompi-1.1.0-no-OFED.eb"
15:53 boegel pdurbin: that will build GCC+OpenMPI and then build FFTW using a GCC+OpenMPI toolchain
15:53 boegel pdurbin: it doesn't involve ATLAS, so it should probably work on a VM
15:53 pdurbin boegel: did you install virtual box yet?
15:54 boegel pdurbin: I have VirtualBox, yes
15:54 boegel I think
15:54 boegel I never used it
15:54 boegel pdurbin: I have VBox, yes
15:54 pdurbin boegel: good. now click the big blue download now at http://vagrantup.com please
15:54 boegel pdurbin: hey, you're making me spend time of things I don't have time for :P
15:55 pdurbin you'll thank me later
15:56 boegel pdurbin: for spending time on things I don't have time for? ;)
15:56 pdurbin yes
15:56 boegel hehe
15:56 boegel pdurbin: installing RPM...
15:57 pdurbin dotplus: thinking..
15:58 pdurbin boegel: please be sure to: export PATH=$PATH:/opt/vagrant/bin
16:01 boegel hey, sounds like you need EasyBuild :P
16:01 boegel ok, now what :)
16:02 pdurbin git clone https://github.com/pdurbin/easybuild-vagrant.git
16:02 pdurbin cd easybuild-vagrant
16:02 pdurbin vagrant up
16:03 boegel "VirtualBox is complaining that the kernel module is not loaded."
16:03 boegel hehe, I halfway expected something like that :)
16:03 pdurbin boegel: you should get some vbox setup instructions
16:04 boegel pdurbin: I did, checking them out
16:04 pdurbin /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
16:04 boegel pdurbin: working on it, no sweat
16:06 pdurbin agoddard: any isci fu for dotplus? http://irclog.perlgeek.de/cr​imsonfu/2012-12-06#i_6218427
16:06 boegel pdurbin: vbox compilation fails
16:08 pdurbin boegel: can you paste the error please?
16:08 boegel pdurbin: I'll just reinstall VirtualBox :)
16:09 pdurbin probably you need some -devel rpm
16:10 boegel pdurbin: fixed
16:10 pdurbin \o/
16:10 boegel pdurbin: vbox was broken because I updated my kernel a couple of times without reinstalling vbox
16:11 boegel downloading CentOS .box now
16:12 pdurbin boegel: awesome. soon you'll be able to go off the readme at https://github.com/pdurbin/easybuild-vagrant
16:12 boegel pdurbin: k :)
16:13 pdurbin (that base box download is a one time thing)
16:13 boegel pdurbin: of course, makes sense
16:14 pdurbin if you fancy some other base boxes: http://www.vagrantbox.es
16:14 boegel VM is booting...
16:15 * pdurbin hopes boegel's bios is set up for virt already
16:15 boegel vagrant ssh is working, so should be fine
16:16 pdurbin boegel: great! can you please run the commands in the readme?
16:16 pdurbin (build gzip)
16:16 boegel pdurbin: trying them
16:16 boegel pdurbin: should be fine, it's EasyBuild from now on :P
16:16 pdurbin right :)
16:16 boegel ;)
16:18 boegel /easyconfigs/gzip.eb? that's kind of... dirty
16:18 boegel why not throw the gzip.eb in the vagrant home dir?
16:18 boegel "== Build succeeded for 1 out of 1"
16:19 boegel trying "eb FFTW-3.3.1-gompi-1.1.0-no-OFED.eb -r" now, this should take a while... ;-)
16:19 pdurbin boegel: great!
16:19 boegel pdurbin: it is kind of cool, yes
16:19 pdurbin patches welcome on where to put the easyconfigs folder :)
16:19 boegel pdurbin: VMs made easy
16:20 pdurbin i feel vindicated
16:20 boegel pdurbin: /home/vagrant/gzip.eb would make a lot more sense to me
16:21 pdurbin ok. and i bet we could install easybuild itself with puppet somehow
16:21 pdurbin since it's in the cheese shop or whatever you python people call it
16:24 agoddard dotplus: when the iSCSI connection comes back, is LVM ok as well?
16:33 boegel pdurbin: pypi :)
16:34 pdurbin boegel: are you going to put easybuild in epel?
16:34 boegel pdurbin: recent version of setuptools install "easy_install --user easybuild", which just installs it in your home dir :)
16:34 boegel pdurbin: you mean package it in an RPM?
16:34 pdurbin yes
16:34 dotplus agoddard: well sort of. I think it is, but it doesn't "know" it.
16:34 boegel pdurbin: we will, in the end yes, but it's not a big priority
16:34 pdurbin uh oh. dotplus woke up. cross talk :)
16:35 dotplus agoddard: if the the VM guest is rebooted, everything's fine again. but I want to kick the iscsi on the host in such a way, if possible, such that I can then do mount -o rw,remount inside the guest and *not* have it fail.
16:37 dotplus well, or tell the guest that it should try to consider its filesystem as available again in some other way
16:38 pdurbin dotplus: i've certainly seen VMs go read only when NFS goes away. agoddard's VMs even :) . so i sympathize
16:39 dotplus there are 2 issues here 1) how do I recover as simply as possible 2) How do I find out why this is happening in the first place?
16:39 dotplus I'm not even attempting (2) yet.
16:39 pdurbin if the NFS outage isn't too long, the VMs stay read-write
16:39 agoddard dotplus: ah I see. I've never done the remount in the guest in that situation, I've just bounced the guest - however I'm pretty sure I've seen some VMs recover themselves..
16:40 agoddard dotplus: what happens when you try to remount inside the guest now?
16:41 dotplus forgotten the exact message, but it basically says filesystem is read-only, can't change it.
16:41 agoddard :(
16:42 dotplus (had to bounce it and get it going)
16:42 dotplus unfortunately, this is not a failure mode that I can simple recreate at will without bad things happening
16:43 dotplus s/simple/simply/
16:43 agoddard ya. it's good that it's iSCSI, so it should be reasonably easy to redo in some kinda vm in a vm in a vm... you'd have to call it inception.
16:49 boegel pdurbin: does vagrant store VM hard disk images somewhere non-standard? my disk is filling up...
16:50 pdurbin boegel: buh... i think that's configurable in virtualbox
16:53 boegel pdurbin: hmm, just seems like I was getting close to a full disk, nvm
16:54 pdurbin too much building with easybuild :)
16:58 pdurbin boegel: is easybuild is all about being easy, why not make easybuild into an RPM?
16:58 boegel pdurbin: true enough
16:58 boegel pdurbin: we will look into that, but our priorities are different now
16:59 boegel pdurbin: easy_install easybuild is quite easy as well ;)
16:59 boegel pdurbin: gotta run, ttyl
17:02 pdurbin if*
17:26 pdurbin JoeJulian: on gnome 3 today. the thing i miss the most is notifications at the top right, such as for new messages in pidgin
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18:58 JoeJulian pdurbin: That, and there's a lot of mouse movement to open apps if you don't just use your keyboard.
18:59 JoeJulian And the loss of my weather notifications. ;)
18:59 pdurbin heh. you remember my post about that :)
18:59 pdurbin so there's no solution to my missing pidgin notifications?
18:59 pdurbin should i use some gnome 3 approved IM client?
19:01 * pdurbin digs up http://irclog.perlgeek.de/cr​imsonfu/2012-09-12#i_5980691
19:01 * pdurbin should teach crimsonfubot how to find stuff in the logs and link to it
19:04 JoeJulian I stopped using pidgin when I was told that my needs were invalid and I should just use pidgin the way it was written.
19:05 pdurbin did that happen to you in #pidgin too?!? i was yelled at for using rhel on my workstation :(
19:06 JoeJulian yep
19:06 pdurbin i did learn a valuable lesson though... only hang out in IRC channels that are logged :)
19:06 JoeJulian hehe
19:08 pdurbin JoeJulian: so... which IM client?
19:11 JoeJulian I'm using the built-in empathy
19:11 JoeJulian Using xchat for irc.
19:11 pdurbin does empathy store passwords in plain text like pidgin?
19:12 JoeJulian I'm a bit disappointed with every im client though. They all seem to have some problem with being logged into google talk from multiple locations. Even Google's own Android app.
19:14 pdurbin empathy is already making me angry
19:15 JoeJulian passwords are in gnome-keyring
19:16 semiosis i'm a big fan of kde and all that but their mail & messaging apps suck
19:16 pdurbin back to pidgin
19:16 pdurbin gnome-keyring scares me
19:17 semiosis tbird & pidgin are not perfect, but they're hard to beat
19:17 pdurbin semiosis: +1
19:17 semiosis though i am consistently pleased with kde's irc client, konversation
19:17 semiosis s/mail & messaging apps/kmail & kopete/
19:17 pdurbin JoeJulian: i take it empathy would give me notifications in the upper left? that's where i found the quit button
19:18 JoeJulian bottom right
19:18 JoeJulian Er, bottom middle/right
19:18 pdurbin ok. either way. as log as i don't have to alt tab to see if people are talking to me
19:18 JoeJulian The notification pops up from the bottom, but the bottom-right corner has some notification thingies.
19:18 semiosis kde does notifications really well from both pidgin & tbird
19:20 JoeJulian Apparently the Gnome developers thought we weren't getting enough exercise on our mouse hand, so they made sure we have to use every corner.
19:22 pdurbin lol
19:23 pdurbin crimsonfubot: lucky ratpoison desktop
19:23 crimsonfubot pdurbin: http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/
19:25 semiosis i dont get the rodent reference...
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19:26 semiosis http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/inspiration.html
19:26 pdurbin we were talking about mice :)
19:27 semiosis oh right, mouse, rodent, rat-poison: a keyboard driven wm
19:27 semiosis thx
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19:51 GitHub39 [crimsonfu.github.com] pdurbin pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/crimsonfu/crimsonfu.github.com​/commit/282f27831c436e88d56fba98f8ca6f99e37d1fad
19:51 GitHub39 crimsonfu.github.com/master 282f278 Philip Durbin: fetch latest logs
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20:25 pdurbin looks like gitorious is doing a good job of keeping private repos private
20:26 boegel pdurbin: FFTW build with gompi toolchain worked perfectly in vagrant VM :)
20:26 pdurbin boegel: yay! pull request please!
20:26 boegel pdurbin: ok, I'll look into it
20:26 pdurbin thanks
20:27 boegel pdurbin: I'll change the location of gzip, and update the README with an extra command that just works (?)
20:27 pdurbin sure! you can even start it from from the easybuild github organization. i can fork yours and send you pull requests
20:28 pdurbin start is fresh, i meant
20:28 pdurbin start IT fresh
20:32 pdurbin that is, it doesn't need to be tied to me
20:34 boegel pdurbin: well, that's fine, we don't want to brag as if we came up with it :)
20:37 pdurbin brag away :)
20:37 pdurbin i just want to get more people in #crimsonfu using vagrant
20:41 boegel I probably will be using it whenever I feel a need to test EasyBuild on an OS I don't have myself
20:51 pdurbin sure. for the guys on netbsd
20:52 boegel well, we somewhat have support for OS X, which is fairly close
20:54 pdurbin bleh. virtualizing OS X is a vale of tears
20:56 boegel oh, no need, I have a Mac
21:04 pdurbin boegel: confused. do you run Mac OS X Server as a VM on your Mac?
21:05 boegel pdurbin: no, true enough
21:05 boegel pdurbin: but I don't feel a need for that either ;-)
21:13 boegel I'm off, ttyl
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