Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #crimsonfu, 2012-12-19

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00:51 agoddard ^^
00:51 agoddard :D
01:25 larsks w
01:25 larsks Derrrrr, just passing through my screen session, don't mind me...
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18:55 pdurbin bah! i'm having this "/sbin/ifup eth1 2> /dev/null" problem again in vagrant and i don't know why - https://github.com/mitchellh/vagra​nt/issues/997#issuecomment-9969226
18:56 shuff huh
18:57 shuff yeah, udev persistent rules would have been my first guess
18:58 pdurbin last time switching base boxes fixed it
18:59 pdurbin i hope centos comes out with official base boxes soon
19:05 pdurbin oh wait... my fault i think... i already had vagrant vm running with the same ip address... config.vm.network :hostonly, "33.33.33.10"
19:46 jimi_c_ pdurbin: can you shoot me that list of other vagrant box builds again? i thought i bookmarked it, but apparently not
19:46 jimi_c_ really annoying the only official build is lucid32 :/
19:55 pdurbin http://www.vagrantbox.es
19:57 jimi_c_ thanks :)
20:27 semiosis wow that's a security breach waiting to happen
20:28 semiosis is there even any signature to make sure the .box you get is actually from an author you trust
20:28 semiosis ?
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20:52 pdurbin *crickets*
20:53 pdurbin that's partly why i want official centos base boxes :)
20:53 semiosis is rolling your own really that hard?
20:53 pdurbin dunno
20:53 pdurbin sjoeboo_: you did it
20:54 sjoeboo_ super easy, build a sytem in virtual box, package it up, there are guides
20:54 semiosis cool
20:54 spilth There's also veewee to help build your own base boxes
20:55 spilth @lucky veewee
20:55 crimsonfubot spilth: https://github.com/jedi4ever/veewee
20:55 semiosis i'm bothered by the fact that the boxes aren't signed
20:55 semiosis and didnt find anything about that in 10 min of googling around
21:00 pdurbin i don't think they're signed. you have a good point
21:04 pdurbin but i think i've got a guy here sold on vagrant for our dev environment. we'll see :)
21:09 pdurbin now to see if my readme is right: https://github.com/IQSS/iqss-javaee-template :)
21:10 pdurbin argh, i always forget readme.md is not github-flavored :(
21:26 miah i use marker.app to precheck my markdown files
21:27 miah http://markedapp.com/
21:43 spilth I need a business case to get upgraded to 10.7 or 10.8 so I can actually use most Apps :-/
21:43 spilth But I don't think we're supposed to be installing Apps from the App Store in the first place
21:44 spilth Marked requires 10.7 :-(
21:46 pdurbin miah: yeah, i have a script but it does autolink. i need to take that out when i'm testing non-github-flavored-markdown files
21:47 spilth pdurbin: does auto link turn non-[]() URLs into links?
21:48 pdurbin spilth: it means you don't have to put < > around your links
21:48 pdurbin which is dumb
21:50 spilth Ah, I've never actually looked at GFM - http://github.github.com/github-flavored-markdown/
21:57 miah "we're supposed to be installing Apps from the App Store in the first place" ouch. i cant work in an environment like that.
21:59 spilth You gotta pick your battles
21:59 miah ya i guess
22:00 spilth I try to appreciate the reasoning on the other side
22:00 miah i try to. but most of the time its pointless
22:00 miah i worked at a ponzi scheme that had all sorts of stupid rules for stupid reasons
22:01 miah its been hard for me to take more of that shit seriously now
22:01 miah make it hard for me to do my job? i'll go do it elsewhere.
22:01 spilth bigger companies have bigger liabilities
22:02 miah ya
22:02 miah bigger companies have bigger ego's and more vapid c-level people
22:02 spilth and less second round funding
22:02 miah i suppose.
22:03 miah as long as i get paid for a while i dont care
22:03 miah better than being bored
22:05 miah every large company i've been at. i hit the ceiling too quickly. everybody around me is an idiot. we work with technology from 15 years ago.
22:09 spilth That means there's an opportunity to educate people and improve things. Assuming people want to learn.
22:10 miah you'd think that.
22:11 miah i left salesforce because after two and a half years of trying to educate and change i could not make progress
22:11 miah after i left, they started implementing and working on the changes i talked about
22:11 miah because somebody else brought it up i guess
22:12 miah their techops group is run by some misogynists i think
22:12 miah everytime i brought things up: ignored
22:12 miah somebody else brought up the same topic: LETS DO IT
22:12 semiosis people rarely want to learn, usually they must have no other choice
22:12 miah yup
22:13 semiosis if you work with people who actually want to learn, don't take it for granted, you're lucky
22:13 miah and when you're in a cushy large corp IT department..
22:13 miah i remember teaching the windows admins at the ponzi schemes about windows slipstreaming
22:13 miah they still insisted on manually installing each server
22:13 miah because they could spend all day on two servers and do less work overall
22:14 miah 'i enjoy clicking yes approximately 200 times for the next 3 hours'
22:14 semiosis miah: was it a family business?
22:14 miah no
22:14 miah http://en.wikipedia.org/wik​i/Stanford_Financial_Group
22:14 semiosis heh
22:15 semiosis my of the (somewhat cynical) opinion that, at least in legit businesses, the inefficient ones are the family businesses
22:15 semiosis s/my/i'm/
22:16 miah my experience is, its most of them
22:16 semiosis heh
22:16 miah i worked in hospitals..
22:16 spilth A good read: http://pragprog.com/book/tre​van/driving-technical-change
22:16 miah i've read it
22:16 miah it comes back to people wanting to change and learn
22:17 spilth Well I can see which side of "You can change your organization. Or you can change your organization." you've ended up on :-)
22:17 semiosis i wonder if it's any different at facebook, google, or netflix
22:19 semiosis so hard to find good people
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