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IRC log for #crimsonfu, 2013-01-17

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12:47 rackerhacker erhmagerd, emarl ferm JoeJulian
12:53 pdurbin rackerhacker: unable to parse
13:07 rackerhacker i was just being goofy (as usual)
13:29 pdurbin rackerhacker: +1. carry on
13:29 pdurbin happy birthday #crimsonfu! we started logging this channel a year ago! http://irclog.perlgeek.de/crimsonfu/2012-01-17
13:31 pdurbin my thank you to moritz for doing the logging for us: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/​ilbot/2013-01-17#i_6344280
13:53 rackerhacker aww
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15:08 spilth I'm at #devopsdays in NYC
15:09 pdurbin spilth: nice. bring the fu
15:09 spilth Livestream is here http://new.livestream.com/devopsdaysorg/nyc2013
15:14 pdurbin neat but i don't hear anything
15:14 spilth It hasn't started yet
15:15 pdurbin :)
15:23 spilth okay, somebody is talking on the mic now
15:23 pdurbin yup. 87 watching
15:24 pdurbin spilth: i don't see you waving
15:24 spilth i'm on the left ;-)
15:28 spilth Filter Bubble - filtering out things you don't already agree with
15:32 spilth Talking about the dangers of a positive feedback loop
15:33 spilth "Figuring out how Unix works is not DevOps!" :-D
15:34 spilth Using Chef and/or Puppet isn't automatically DevOps
15:35 spilth Use technologies as a means. Not an end.
15:35 pdurbin spilth: your live blogging is rather a nice birthday present for us :)
15:36 spilth DevOps is not how often you "deploy".
15:37 spilth My perspective - This sounds similar to how people talk about "Agile". Just cause you're pairing or using CI or unit tests doesn't automatically make you agile.
15:38 spilth Lesson: Maintain Perspective
15:39 spilth Auotmation increases the impact of your average Snafu
15:40 spilth Automation
15:42 spilth Automation requires a human decision, safeguards and accountability & audit trails.
15:47 spilth Making a new, separate DevOps team = FAIL
15:49 spilth I am editorializing some of these, I guess
15:49 spilth Or summarizing
15:50 spilth hahah. HugOps
15:51 spilth ChatOps = IRC Bots with root
15:51 spilth https://twitter.com/wickett is live tweeting nicely too
15:52 spilth Lesson: Trust does not scale.
15:53 spilth DevOps is evolution, not revolution.
15:56 spilth Question:  Is DevOps a threat to the way things are working.
15:56 pdurbin 121 watching now but i'm dropping off
15:56 pdurbin spilth: keep it up! :)
15:56 spilth Answer: Evolve. Grow. Figure out how to do things better or you will be left behind.
15:57 spilth Thanks :-)
16:01 spilth Now speaking: Dave Zwieback (@mindweather) from Knewton
16:02 spilth Talking about DevOps Hiring
16:05 spilth https://twitter.com/hipsterhacker
16:07 spilth He's pulled a bunch of titles from LinkedIn that include the work "DevOps"
16:08 larsks Hey, I'm here, too.
16:08 larsks Fun talks so far :).
16:08 pdurbin spilth: can you please find dave after and tell him hello for me? i interviewed with him :)
16:09 spilth Dave Zwieback?
16:09 pdurbin larsks: or you :)
16:10 pdurbin then go listen to this, which is great: Episode 15: How to Succeed in DevOps with Dave Zwieback - Food Fight - http://foodfightshow.org/2012/05/epis​ode-15-how-to-succeed-in-devops.html
16:14 spilth Asking who has deleted their LinkedIn account or who has thought about it.
16:15 spilth Suggest that DevOps people don't hang out on LinkedIn
16:20 spilth They check GitHub, Meetup, HackerNews, Twitter
16:20 spilth for potential "devops" hires
16:21 spilth these "dark pools" of candidates
16:29 spilth break time
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16:49 spilth Back from the break
16:49 spilth pdurbin: I said hi to Dave for you ;-)
16:49 pdurbin oh good! thanks :)
16:50 pdurbin he's a great guy
16:52 spilth Talked to Jeffrey Fredrick too (https://twitter.com/Jtf). Know him a little from his Anthill Pro days.
16:53 spilth Bare Metal Provisioning Roundtable now
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17:00 spilth Cool to get insight into their provisioning process/interface
17:03 spilth http://crowbar.github.com/
17:03 spilth "Crowbar is a platform for server provisioning and deployment from bare metal. It provides server discovery, firmware upgrades, and operating system installation using PXE Boot. It deploys applications on top of functioning operating systems using chef."
17:07 spilth FYI: http://www.netmeister.org/slides/devopsdays201301/ - Jan Schaumann's Slides from the first talk
17:10 spilth "Hate Driven Development"
17:13 spilth I wish GitHub let you Star companies
17:14 spilth http://puppetlabs.com/blog/introducing-razo​r-a-next-generation-provisioning-solution/
17:16 spilth Now https://twitter.com/samkottler is talking about Foreman
17:16 spilth http://www.samkottler.com/open-source-​infrastructure-for-the-foreman-project
17:17 spilth Foreman uses Twitter Bootstrap (it looks like)
17:18 spilth There's a #foreman channel on Freenode
17:18 spilth https://github.com/theforeman
17:19 spilth Foreman is a Rails app!
17:23 pdurbin spilth: sjoeboo_ uses foreman. it's great
17:24 spilth I'm built our CMDB using Rails, if I haven't mentioned it before.
17:26 spilth Question: Why have you guys built 4 different provisioning systems? I'm sure there are 6 more systems in the audience.
17:28 spilth General Answer: Different needs, different focuses
17:40 spilth Ignite Talk on Alert Design
17:40 spilth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignite_(event)
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17:49 JoeJulian rackerhacker: Hehe, I didn't think I was that absent lately. 80
17:52 spilth http://www.slideshare.net/jschauma/sa​fely-drinking-from-the-data-waterhose now
17:56 spilth I love slide #3 and #4
17:56 JoeJulian spilth: Re LinkedIn, I'm on it to keep track of who I know professionally and what skill sets they have - which I draw from for collaboration.
17:57 spilth JoeJulian - I'm sort of live blogging the DevOpsDays conference. That was part of somebody's presentation
17:57 * JoeJulian is slow on the uptake... no caffeine yet.
17:59 JoeJulian I used to use foreman but switching to puppetdb broke what I had working.
18:00 spilth pdurbin: Maybe I should prefix my live blogging with [devopsdays] or something?
18:02 JoeJulian No, any reasonable person could have looked at the entire page of scrollback and figured that out.
18:05 spilth https://github.com/sensu/sensu - monitoring framework
18:05 spilth https://github.com/paperlesspost/graphiti - alternative graphite front end
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18:08 spilth "Quit your job!"
18:09 spilth Leveling-up Ignite talk from https://twitter.com/nathenharvey
18:10 spilth "Step our of your comfort zone"
18:11 spilth Couple of people mentioned http://www.pagerduty.com/ so far
18:15 spilth https://github.com/Knewton/graphduty - Graphite + PagerDuty
18:16 spilth Lunch break
18:16 spilth bbiab
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19:41 spilth Open Spaces starting no
19:41 spilth now
19:41 spilth MC'd by Patrick Debois - http://www.jedi.be/blog/
19:42 spilth "It starts when it starts."
19:43 spilth "It ends when it ends."
19:43 spilth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-space_technology
19:53 spilth Session dedicated to Ops School - https://ops-school.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
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21:13 _bene_ hi, i'm ben
21:13 _bene_ pdurbin told me you all were serving up double helpings of awesomeness in this channel and i should check it out
21:13 _bene_ so... yeah
21:13 * _bene_ goes back about his business
21:15 JoeJulian Github's broken asciidoc (again). When I asked about a ticket to track the progress, "I am afraid you cannot track internal GitHub issues. Unfortunately it is going to take a while because the problem is rather serious. I am sorry for the trouble we are creating for you."
21:15 JoeJulian Irony.
21:23 pdurbin ben_e: i just did a quick search for starcluster in our logs and i don't see anything. but plenty of aws chatter in general
21:23 pdurbin crimsonfubot: lucky starcluster
21:23 crimsonfubot pdurbin: http://star.mit.edu/cluster/
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21:34 ben_e yeah, i chatted with one of the lead devs for an hour or more after a Boston Python Meetup presentation last june
21:34 ben_e he was super friendly and invited me over for a visit
21:34 ben_e although maybe that was the beer talking
21:47 pdurbin :)
21:47 pdurbin i tweeted at the boston python folks once and they seem very friendly
21:57 ben_e the boston django meetup is tonight at hubspot in cambridge
21:57 ben_e it's on unit and browser testing in django
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