Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #crimsonfu, 2013-02-07

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01:53 pdurbin "No one is born an expert, though, and no one gets there without making a lot of mistakes along the way. The key is to learn something from each mistake and to make different ones next time."
01:53 pdurbin "As a corollary, be kind to other people when they screw up, and help them learn if you can. Not only will you earn yourself some loyal peers/workmates, but you'll eventually find yourself in a position where they return the favor. Fostering an environment of creativity, education, and exploration is just as important for adults as it is for young children."
01:53 pdurbin -- WiAC Interview: Amy Rich, Manager of Release Engineering Operations at Mozilla Corporation | USENIX - https://www.usenix.org/blog/wiac-inte​rview-amy-rich-manager-release-engine​ering-operations-mozilla-corporation
01:53 pdurbin via https://plus.google.com/11091860​5531791372572/posts/L7LT7hxdnHs
01:54 semiosis +1
01:55 semiosis otoh i think there's something to be said for showing a little disappointment once in a while to let people know that you know they can do better
01:55 semiosis must be done with care though
02:01 pdurbin oh absolutely :)
02:12 * semiosis is never using ! expansion in bash again
02:13 semiosis !sudo pbui executed an rm instead of pbuilder :(
02:13 semiosis guess the space meant append 'pbui' to the expansion of !sudo
02:13 pdurbin i have ever feared the !
02:13 semiosis fortunately the files lost were not *too* important
02:13 pdurbin ctrl-r ftw, though
02:14 semiosis i think i'm going to stick with history | grep
02:14 pdurbin heh. old school
02:14 semiosis or just typing everything
02:14 pdurbin took me a while to like ctrl-r but now i use it every day
02:14 pdurbin every hour? i guess i sleep sometimes
02:15 semiosis i'll check it out
02:16 pdurbin that and ... esc period ... to repeat the last argument
02:16 pdurbin whatever you call that
02:17 semiosis thats cool, never knew about that
02:17 semiosis one of these days i'll get around to learning more bash tricks
02:19 pdurbin there should be a bash tricks meetup
02:19 pdurbin as some of this stuff is better explained in person
02:41 JoeJulian ctrl-r is like having a third hand.
02:43 JoeJulian User can't log in to the web site, keeps getting "invalid password", though everyone else can log in with no problems... Boss: "What can we do to help her, Joe?" Me: "I can add logging to see what passwords are being typed in. That would, however, end up logging plain-text passwords which is a big huge security 'you're an idiot and shouldn't own a computer' level of faux pas. It's got to be a PEBKAC."
02:50 pdurbin :)
02:51 pdurbin i don't want to think any more about who knows my passwords: https://plus.google.com/10777007​2576338242009/posts/ETqpKHLUEKr
02:53 JoeJulian Yeah, I read that.
02:55 JoeJulian Before I started here, these custom php scripts used a random 5 digit number as the password if you "forgot my password". The passwords used to be stored as crypt passwords using a fixed salt. I built a quick rainbow table and over half the passwords were 5 digits.
03:04 pdurbin :(
03:40 rackerhacker interesting… http://blog.krisk.org/2013​/02/packets-of-death.html
03:44 JoeJulian egads...
03:44 rackerhacker yeah, i was stunned when the card wouldn't even function after
03:44 rackerhacker just from reading, didn't try it myself
03:45 JoeJulian I don't /think/ I have any of those... but I guess it's time to audit.
03:46 JoeJulian "I’ve been working with networks for over 15 years and I’ve never seen anything like this." - I have...
03:46 JoeJulian but then I've been doing it longer, too.
03:48 JoeJulian tbh, it wasn't that uncommon that a seemingly innocuous sequence of data could take out a device back in the 80s and early 90s.
03:49 JoeJulian Even had one where a specific i/o operation would literally pop a pal chip on one motherboard+bios rev.
03:51 rackerhacker i remember those idiots who forced crazy current through ethernet cables to blow nics
04:07 pdurbin tl;dr (yet anyway)
04:08 rackerhacker pdurbin: send a funky VOIP packet through a particular intel NIC and it's no longer functional
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04:37 pdurbin rackerhacker: thanks
04:50 JoeJulian ... or perhaps even a 'ping -p 32 -s 1110'
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12:38 pdurbin spilth: i just registered a domain for the thing we were talking about yesterday :)
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15:13 pdurbin going to a tech talk today about AWS. free lunch :)
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15:41 semiosis going to sunshinephp conf tmrw
15:41 semiosis @lucky sunshinephp
15:41 crimsonfubot semiosis: http://sunshinephp.com/
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16:08 pdurbin sunny but cold in boston
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17:20 pdurbin feeling a little ignorant that it's called "Elastic Block Store" - http://aws.amazon.com/ebs/
17:21 pdurbin dunno if i've heard of Simple Queue Service either: http://aws.amazon.com/sqs/
17:22 pdurbin on this slide are those, EC2 and S3, which i've heard of, of course, and http://aws.amazon.com/dynamodb/
17:23 pdurbin looks like there are other offerings as well: http://aws.amazon.com/products/
17:24 pdurbin oh, next slide. even more
17:24 pdurbin SNS, SES, RDS, VPC, IAM
17:27 semiosis there are a lot of services!
17:27 semiosis it'll make your head spin
17:27 pdurbin no kidding
17:27 pdurbin i mean, i understand that whole business are built on this stuff
17:28 pdurbin i just haven't used it much myself
17:28 semiosis then there's things like autoscaling, elb, and simpledb that dont even show up on the product listing!
17:29 pdurbin i believe it
17:29 pdurbin quite a soup
17:29 semiosis oh wait AS & ELB are on the prod list, but simpledb is not
18:12 pdurbin johnmark: maybe you meen this... here's an example of a zodbot meeting summary: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mee​ting/2013-02-06/fesco.2013-02-06-18.00.html
18:12 pdurbin (from #dvn)
18:12 pdurbin zodbot seems like a nice way to summarize IRC meetings
18:13 pdurbin crimsonfubot: lucky zodbot
18:13 crimsonfubot pdurbin: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot
18:16 pdurbin http://irclog.iq.harvard.edu/dvn/2013-02-07#i_530
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18:33 pdurbin don't you wish YOUR irc channel had a zodbot: http://irclog.iq.harvard.edu/dvn/2013-02-07#i_562
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19:48 JoeJulian pdurbin: Here's another expample... ;) http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/gluster-meeting/​2012-10-18/gluster-meeting.2012-10-18-16.06.html
19:49 pdurbin ooo. actions
19:50 JoeJulian Nice, Ryan Coleman responded to my G+ post.
19:50 pdurbin the one i commented on?
19:50 JoeJulian https://plus.google.com/u/0/113457​525690313682370/posts/7XtDXBcJmAo
19:50 JoeJulian yes
19:51 pdurbin "and we'll then double down on content like puppetlabs/stdlib"
19:52 pdurbin "that dev or someone else responsible for this, reaches out to community members associated with the project that's being targeted" ... that's what my shibboleth meeting is about
19:52 pdurbin getting opinions from the community
19:53 JoeJulian Need more than opinions. Need involvement and ownership.
19:53 pdurbin sure. it's hard
19:53 JoeJulian Yep!
19:54 pdurbin i owe our shibboleth ticket :)
19:55 JoeJulian Though I think if Dan Bodhe had asked me to take over the management of puppetlabs-{openstack,nova​,keystone,horizon,cinder} I would have.
19:56 pdurbin sounds like a big job
20:02 magoo anyone have a good recommendation for a great linux/windows dual-boot laptop?
20:03 magoo with emphasis on hardware that has great support in linux
20:05 pdurbin good linux support but the hardware has been flaky: https://plus.google.com/10777007​2576338242009/posts/Hb8qfjoRVSZ
20:06 pdurbin thinkpad X220T
20:09 magoo yikes, a bit out of the price range i'm working with
20:09 magoo i used to have a thinkpad back in the day though... loved that thing
20:09 magoo built like a tank
20:09 * rackerhacker loves his X1 carbon
20:10 JoeJulian once he finally got it
20:11 rackerhacker yeah
20:11 rackerhacker that was a mess
20:11 JoeJulian Apparently, though, rackerhacker didn't love it enough to keep both of them! ;)
20:11 magoo rackerhacker: all hardware works without hacking on it?
20:12 JoeJulian I was tempted to take that second one though...
20:12 rackerhacker magoo: everything worked out of the box except for the fingerprint reader
20:12 rackerhacker proprietary firmware :(
20:12 rackerhacker i used Fedora 17/18, CentOS 6 and Mint on it, all worked like champs
20:12 magoo cool, that doesn't concern me
20:13 rackerhacker F18 is on it now
20:13 rackerhacker i'm thinking about tossing xenclient on
20:13 magoo sweet, mint would be my choice
20:13 magoo or arch
20:13 pdurbin Selena Deckelmann was complaining at http://devhell.info/post/2013-01-2​3/artisan-database-administration/ that her webcam doesn't work under linux (fedora, i think) but mine works fine (fedora 16)
20:13 pdurbin good episode, by the way
20:14 magoo but i see the x1 in a lower config around 1200
20:14 magoo is that a non-gloss screen?
20:15 semiosis i like my asus ux32vd but i was not able to reinstall windows 8 after replacing the hdd with ssd, so no dual boot for me
20:15 semiosis but linux (kubuntu quantal) rocks
20:16 magoo and are the hinges built solid?
20:16 magoo i definitely have to be able to dual-boot... i need to be able to support the dev environment for mac, linux, and windows
20:16 magoo i know! shoot me in the face
20:17 semiosis https://twitter.com/pragmatic​ism/status/299612794083487744
20:18 semiosis ...is what i tell myself
20:18 magoo haha, appropriate
20:18 magoo we hired two windows devs this week... my life was so simple before *sigh*
20:26 rackerhacker magoo: all are non-glossy, hinges are pretty serious
20:26 rackerhacker i use two hands to get it open
20:32 magoo <3
20:32 magoo might have a winner then
20:32 rackerhacker i picked mine up from new egg and saved on tax
20:32 rackerhacker faster delivery, too
20:36 semiosis rackerhacker: what happened to that samsung?
20:37 rackerhacker i returned it because either it wasn't working properly or it wasn't working by design
20:37 semiosis ah ha
20:37 semiosis your laptop adventures are legend, but i missed that chapter :)
20:38 rackerhacker oh hah
20:43 semiosis so is the appeal of mint (over ubuntu) that it doesn't have unity?
20:43 semiosis anyone have an opinion on kubuntu vs mint kde?
20:44 magoo rolling release
20:44 semiosis oh interesting
20:44 magoo plus cinnamon is terrific
20:45 magoo i have it on my home theatre box - looks sharp
20:46 magoo there has to be a wrapper to make ec2-describe-instances not look like screen vomit
20:47 semiosis have you seen aws cli?
20:48 magoo nope, github?
20:48 semiosis http://aws.amazon.com/cli/
20:48 semiosis based on python/boto afaict, from garnaat
20:48 magoo nice, reading up now
20:49 semiosis https://github.com/aws/aws-cli#command-output
20:49 semiosis never heard of 'jq' before i came across it there
20:50 semiosis http://stedolan.github.com/jq/
20:51 magoo man, this is sweet
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