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00:09 pdurbin melodie: so, you're part of the Ubuntu Openbox Remix project?
00:10 pdurbin I think this is the thread you linked to: OBUbuntu RC7 - http://beta.linuxvillage.net​/index.php/topic,198.0.html
00:11 melodie pdurbin I am leading this project
00:11 melodie as you have created crimsonfu
00:12 melodie the other buddies at the LinuxVillage have done the same with Debian testing. We all use the same basis, and about the same main ingredients
00:13 * pdurbin tries to translate the linuxvillage about page from french to english: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&amp​;tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-​8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Flinuxvillage.org
00:14 melodie if you wish there are pages in English as well
00:18 pdurbin ironcamel: you're a big fan of openbox, if memory serves. I still haven't tried it
00:21 ironcamel pdurbin: yeah, i'm running it right now
00:21 ironcamel apt-get install openbox; openbox --replace
00:25 melodie hi
00:26 melodie ironcamel did you hear about openbox-menu and "obsession" ?
00:26 melodie (o b session)
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00:39 ironcamel melodie: i have not. should i try those?
00:39 melodie yes
00:39 melodie moment plse
00:40 melodie do you use Debian, or Ubuntu ?
00:41 melodie I have done a ppa for Ubuntu, put aside a package for Debian, however obssion needs to be compiled, which I did for Ubuntu and for Debian (but did not package yet)
00:42 melodie sources here: http://code.google.com/p/mimarchlinux
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02:24 ironcamel melodie: i am running arch
02:25 ironcamel and looks like arch has both of those in AUR, it's community based repo
02:35 melodie ironcamel yes
02:35 melodie I run Arch too and so does mimas
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02:36 melodie you might want to use the aur pkgbuild, as the community repos perhaps is not up to date
02:36 ironcamel i'm not sure what that means :)
02:37 melodie then you will need to configure your menu.xml file and your autostart file in .config/openbox
02:37 ironcamel i'm just doing packer -S openbox-menu
02:37 melodie ironcamel do you use yaourt ?
02:37 ironcamel i user packer
02:37 ironcamel which is an alternative to yaourt
02:37 melodie I don't know packer, does it access the aur repos ?
02:37 ironcamel yes
02:37 melodie then if you can get the aur version it is more up to date
02:38 ironcamel i am installing from aur
02:38 ironcamel ok, done
02:38 ironcamel now what do i do with openbox-menu?
02:38 melodie I can give you my menu.lst third line if you want and my autostart file line to match it
02:38 ironcamel sure :)
02:38 melodie I give the lines to you and openbox-menu will work
02:39 ironcamel where does menu.lst go?
02:39 ironcamel i just have a menu.xml
02:39 ironcamel in ~/.config/openbox
02:39 melodie <menu id="desktop-app" label="Applications" execute=" cat ~/.cache/menu.xml" />
02:39 melodie this is the third line here
02:39 melodie and this third line is just after:
02:40 melodie <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
02:40 melodie <openbox_menu xmlns="http://openbox.org/3.4/menu">
02:40 melodie one of the first lines in my autostart file, to match the menu.xml line:
02:40 melodie openbox-menu -o menu.xml -p -g -x -t "sakura -e" lxde-applications.menu &
02:41 ironcamel that looks scary
02:41 melodie ironcamel I mean menu.xml, sorry
02:41 ironcamel do i need sakura?
02:41 melodie no
02:41 melodie you can put your's instead
02:41 melodie urxvt, or whatever console you use
02:41 melodie -p is for persistant mode : dynamic
02:42 ironcamel i use gnome-terminal
02:42 melodie ok
02:42 melodie then go for it
02:42 melodie -g is for gnome menus
02:42 ironcamel replace sakura with gnome-terminal?
02:42 melodie -x for xfce menus
02:42 melodie yes
02:42 melodie exactly
02:42 melodie and -t for terminal
02:42 melodie there is one more switch which I don't use is -k for kde
02:42 melodie I don't use kde apps
02:43 melodie in the desktop files you often get ShowOnlyIn=SomeDesktops;
02:43 melodie or such
02:43 melodie these switches are made for this kind of thing
02:44 melodie do you have a pic with your desktop ? :)
02:44 ironcamel so how would i run openbox-menu manually?
02:44 melodie I show you a post where I reported it
02:44 melodie well, in console ? just "openbox-menu"
02:44 melodie but there is one more way
02:45 melodie openbox-menu even lighter - http://beta.linuxvillage.net/index.​php/topic,200.msg1277.html#msg1277
02:45 ironcamel melodie: http://ironcamel.com/files/ss.png
02:46 ironcamel when i run it in the console, nothing happens
02:46 ironcamel what is supposed to happen?
02:46 melodie it might be because of the latest menu-cached... :/
02:47 melodie same here
02:47 melodie "** (openbox-menu:7407): WARNING **: Cannot create menu, check if the .menu file is correct
02:47 melodie "
02:47 melodie just logout/login, then you should have your menus
02:47 ironcamel $ openbox-menu
02:47 ironcamel ** (process:18816): WARNING **: removed previous socket file /tmp/.menu-cached-:0-naveed
02:47 melodie it used to display the whole menu
02:47 melodie do you have a 64bits install ?
02:47 ironcamel yes
02:47 melodie wait a sec
02:48 melodie I'll show you some comments at aur
02:48 melodie https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/openbox-menu
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02:49 melodie mimas answered in the comments, I think it might have helped the ones using 64bits boxes
02:49 melodie mervinb found a workaround !
02:52 ironcamel i created that script in ~/bin instead of /usr/local/bin
02:52 ironcamel now when i run it, it just dumps some xml
02:52 melodie ironcamel I hope you will get to be able to use it, it's a nice program (I have to make a 64bits machine I have working again)
02:52 melodie dumping xml is good !
02:52 melodie it means it works
02:53 ironcamel that's all it does?
02:53 melodie do a right click on the desktop
02:53 ironcamel ok
02:53 melodie you should see "Application" then all the categories on the right
02:53 melodie I show a few pics to you:
02:53 ironcamel my menu looks the same as before
02:53 melodie http://meets.free.fr/debian/i​mages/obubuntu-RC8-menus.png
02:54 ironcamel yeah, mine doesn't do that
02:54 ironcamel i don't have the menue on the right
02:54 melodie http://meets.free.fr/debian/imag​es/2-Ubuntu-Openbox-desktop.png
02:54 melodie did you logout/login ? first time it might help
02:55 melodie did you reload openbox btw ?
02:55 ironcamel i have not logged out/in.
02:55 melodie after editing menu.xml
02:55 ironcamel do i need stuff in autostart ?
02:55 melodie yes
02:55 melodie you need:
02:55 melodie <melodie> one of the first lines in my autostart file, to match the menu.xml line:
02:55 melodie <melodie> openbox-menu -o menu.xml -p -g -x -t "sakura -e" lxde-applications.menu &
02:55 melodie this
02:55 melodie openbox-menu -o menu.xml -p -g -x -t "sakura -e" lxde-applications.menu &
02:56 melodie mine starts this way here:
02:56 melodie #!/bin/sh
02:56 melodie # lancer openbox-menu en tâche de fond
02:56 melodie openbox-menu -o menu.xml -p -g -x -t "sakura -e" lxde-applications.menu &
02:56 melodie ## autorisations polkit en test
02:56 melodie /usr/lib/polkit-gnome/polkit-​gnome-authentication-agent-1 &
02:56 melodie ...
02:57 melodie I have also prepared a set of configurations for : Ubuntu, Debian, Sabayon, and PCLinuxOS. each tested and working.
02:57 melodie all online on a web space, of course.
02:57 ironcamel what does openbox-menu -o menu.xml do?
02:57 ironcamel does it overwrite menu.xml?
02:58 melodie well, you should type in console "openbox-menu --help" then you will have the answer
02:58 melodie output perhaps ?
02:58 ironcamel seems the answer is yes
02:58 melodie :)
02:58 ironcamel <menu id="desktop-app" label="Applications" execute=" cat ~/.cache/menu.xml" />
02:58 ironcamel i have a question about ^^^
02:58 ironcamel ~/.cache/menu.xml
02:58 ironcamel i don't have that file
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02:59 melodie (sorry, my cat talks to me at same time, I have to listen to her... saying 'mrii')
02:59 melodie do you have a .cache ?
02:59 ironcamel yes
02:59 melodie did you put a " where it must not be ?
02:59 ironcamel what?
02:59 melodie I check
03:00 melodie $ pastebin menu.xml
03:00 melodie http://pastebin.archlinux.fr/459771
03:00 melodie $ pastebin autostart
03:00 melodie http://pastebin.archlinux.fr/459772
03:00 melodie now we can check together
03:01 melodie if that still does not work, try login/logout, chances it works
03:02 ironcamel before i login/logout, i want to make sure my menu.xml is correct
03:02 ironcamel this seems strange: execute=" cat ~/.cache/menu.xml"
03:02 ironcamel since i do not have that file
03:02 melodie what menu files do you have in /etc/xdg/menu ?
03:02 melodie cat will create it
03:03 melodie cat does not only show files, it also creates, pipes...
03:03 melodie "    cat - concatenate files and print on the standard output
03:03 melodie "
03:03 ironcamel cat file_name will show the contents of file_name
03:03 ironcamel not create the file
03:03 ironcamel $ ls /etc/xdg/menus/
03:03 ironcamel applications.menu  gnomecc.menu  kde-applications.menu
03:04 ironcamel i don't have lxde-applications.menu
03:04 ironcamel so should i update my autostart line?
03:04 melodie you have to adapt accordingly
03:04 melodie choose one of your menus
03:04 melodie applications is ok too
03:05 ironcamel applications.menu?
03:06 melodie me thinks juste applications might work
03:06 ironcamel $ openbox-menu -o menu.xml -p -g -x -t "gnome-terminal -e" applications.menu
03:06 ironcamel ** Message: wrote to /home/naveed/.cache/menu.xml
03:06 ironcamel looks like i have a ~/.cache/menu.xml now
03:06 melodie ok !
03:07 melodie do you have the menu showing in openbox right-click menu now ?
03:07 melodie ironcamel tell me, then I go to sleep :D
03:08 melodie horribly late here, didn't see time running
03:08 ironcamel logging out now ...
03:08 melodie ok
03:09 ironcamel melodie: no :( it's the same as before
03:09 melodie humm
03:10 melodie you might want to write to mimas
03:10 ironcamel ok
03:10 ironcamel thanks for your help anyway
03:10 melodie you should check here first : http://mimasgpc.free.fr/openbox-menu_en.html
03:12 melodie ironcamel and from google code his mail is : mimasgpc at free dot fr
03:12 melodie ironcamel next time you will tell me how you solve it
03:12 melodie :)
03:12 melodie good / night: or any other part of the time
03:12 ironcamel goodnight :)
03:12 melodie thanks :)
03:18 ironcamel haha, just got it working
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10:09 pdurbin_ crimsonfubot: load channelstats
10:09 crimsonfubot pdurbin_: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
10:09 pdurbin crimsonfubot: load channelstats
10:09 crimsonfubot pdurbin: The operation succeeded.
10:09 pdurbin crimsonfubot: channelstats
10:09 crimsonfubot pdurbin: On #crimsonfu there have been 2 messages, containing 64 characters, 7 words, 0 smileys, and 0 frowns; 0 of those messages were ACTIONs.  There have been 0 joins, 0 parts, 0 quits, 0 kicks, 0 mode changes, and 0 topic changes.  There are currently 30 users and the channel has peaked at 0 users.
10:10 pdurbin semiosis: I made myself an owner of crimsonfubot
10:10 pdurbin please let me know if you want some other stuff loaded
10:10 pdurbin or if you'd like to be an owner
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13:53 pdurbin some chatter with ironcamel about scaling web apps: http://irclog.greptilian.com​/sourcefu/2013-03-20#i_4370
14:33 semiosis @version
14:33 crimsonfubot semiosis: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.4.1+gribble (2011-06-27T14:41:49-0400).  The newest version available in the gribble git repository is 0.83.4.1+gribble (2011-08-12T18:12:56-0400).
14:34 semiosis pdurbin: i'd suggest upgrading to the limnoria fork, it's actively maintained
14:34 semiosis google limnoria github
14:34 crimsonfubot https://github.com/ProgVal/Limnoria
14:34 semiosis that's a bug, the bot shouldn't (imho) respond to any message beginning with 'google'
14:35 semiosis also there's a plugin ('web' iirc) that fetches page titles for urls in channel
14:36 pdurbin semiosis: is it in base or epel?
14:37 semiosis pdurbin: JoeJulian might be able to answer that, idk whats in rpm repos these days.  i just pulled the source from github & followed the install instructions -- it was real easy
14:38 pdurbin semiosis: cool, you can send me a pull request: https://github.com/pdurbin/greptilian-vagrant ;)
14:39 semiosis noted :)
14:43 pdurbin semiosis: as long as you can automate the install and setup with puppet it's fine by me
14:45 semiosis well, i *can*, but i have a feeling that's not really sufficient
14:45 semiosis probably need to actually do it
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18:21 pdurbin hmm. http://mirror-status.repoforge.org
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20:25 JoeJulian One more reason to dislike gem: "invalid option: --include-dependencies". Yum, and I'm sure apt, have allowed the same options that they allowed in 1994. If those options are no longer used, they just ignore them.
20:28 pdurbin wait, something in ruby dropped backward compatibility?
20:30 comptona pdurbin: if it's in a distro package, it's too old
20:35 pdurbin comptona: well, doesn't puppet kinda work with ruby distro packages? or maybe it used to
20:35 comptona it varies
20:35 comptona puppet 3 doesn't work with ruby 1.8.5 anymore, which is what RHEL 5 has
20:36 JoeJulian The ruby distro package update is what broke that. It's been deprecated for a long time. Puppet is from the puppetlabs repo so it's the latest bleeding edge.
20:36 comptona but in general I think they do a good job of backwards compatibility
20:54 sjoeboo puppet 3 from the pupeptlabs repo has newer (backported?) ruby w/ it as a dep, so it can be used on EL5 systems
20:54 sjoeboo thats how we got to 3 a few days after release
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23:09 melodie hi
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23:53 pdurbin melodie: looks like ironcamel figured it out
23:54 melodie pdurbin great ! :D

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