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IRC log for #crimsonfu, 2013-03-26

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00:01 pdurbin story of my life
00:03 melodie this is the 21th century greatest pain
00:03 melodie time flying
00:20 melodie good night
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00:48 pdurbin ben_e: think stompy will be ready in time?
01:54 pdurbin argh. stupid android. upgraded google+ and now it won't launch. if anyone has any ideas, I posted my question here: http://android.stackexchange.com/question​s/42335/cant-install-google-play-services
02:10 pdurbin rackerha-: thanks for commiserating with me: https://plus.google.com/10164694​3125332675164/posts/8dmTLUa6PN4
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09:20 Topic for #crimsonfu is now http://crimsonfu.github.com - ConfiguRatIon Management of Systems Or Network kung FU | logs at http://irclog.perlgeek.de/crimsonfu/today
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12:28 ben_e i doubt it
12:44 pdurbin me too :)
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14:55 pdurbin semiosis: seems like a fun bot: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.p​hp/Zoia_or_the_Code4Lib_IRC_bot (supybot)
15:19 semiosis pdurbin: in other bot news, someone from http://botbot.me recently donated their service to #logstash ... https://botbot.me/freenode/logstash/
15:20 semiosis the bot's nick is [o__o]
15:24 pdurbin nice
16:17 pdurbin semiosis: takify is awesome: https://github.com/gsf/supybot-plugins/blob​/master/plugins/Translators/plugin.py#L230
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17:31 pdurbin free drinks at 8:30 tonight at http://stoddardsfoodandale.com/index2.php?action=9 courtesy of github: https://github.com/blog/1444-boston-drinkup
17:50 JoeJulian_ pdurbin: For root it and install cyanogenmod.
17:50 JoeJulian_ for? I swear I typed "just"
17:50 pdurbin :)
17:58 JoeJulian_ rackerhacker: my wife's a fraud analyst. Her company (apparently) uses a single salt for storing password hashes, a practice not considered appropriate for security, but this allows for better fraud analysis as fraudsters typically use the same password for their many accounts. What's your take on that?
17:59 rackerhacker oof
17:59 JoeJulian_ Hehe
17:59 rackerhacker that's a weird situation
17:59 rackerhacker i'd still go with a different salt per password, honestly
17:59 rackerhacker the value of customer creds is higher than the damaged caused by fraud IMHO
18:00 JoeJulian_ Unless your company can no longer accept VISA due to excessive chargeback rates.
18:03 JoeJulian_ If you can't take payments, your password table is very secure because it's offline.
18:06 JoeJulian_ So if your fraud team came to you and said they needed a tool to be able to identify something like this, what would you do? I'm no math genius, but I wonder if there's a lossy protocol that would be more-likely to generate duplicate hashes (so couldn't be used for rainbow tables) that could be associated with the password in addition to the specific hash for password matching...
18:07 JoeJulian_ I'm asking because I'd like to do something similar for another unique piece of data that I don't want leaked, but I do need to be able to log and track.
18:09 JoeJulian_ ... I use the philosophy that if you write it to disk, it's leaked (even though that's technically still true in ram as well).
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18:42 semiosis https://puppetlabs.com/2013-​state-of-devops-infographic/
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