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00:18 pdurbin caymus: good stuff
00:29 caymus thx pdurbin , but the widget tilt on twinview irritates me, i need to adjust this problem, or understand from where it comes
00:31 caymus i use mouse position to move widgets
00:35 caymus i have only 1 computer using twinview, so i need to format  my main os,  and also install win 7 with TwinView
00:35 caymus I 'have not win7 , except in virtual machine.... :/
00:40 pdurbin :/
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14:21 pdurbin JoeJulian: you around?
14:22 pdurbin I have a little follow up to http://irclog.perlgeek.de/cr​imsonfu/2013-03-18#i_6601609
14:22 pdurbin I just posted this: Theodore Ts'o on Gluster, ext4 directory cookies at NELF 2013 - https://soundcloud.com/philipdur​bin/theodore-tso-on-gluster-ext4
14:23 pdurbin semiosis: ^^
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14:32 pdurbin whoops. :) ... I just dropped a link in #gluster: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/g​luster/2013-04-14#i_6702798
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18:13 melodie pdurbin I have registered to github and now I am going to look how to push a patch
18:14 melodie I will start easy with a little change in the home desktop file which is on Desktop and will make it more responsive in virtual machines
18:29 pdurbin melodie: nice!
18:30 melodie I might need some help on the way, I'm a newbie
18:30 melodie at that
18:40 melodie reading here: https://help.github.com/articles/set-up-git
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18:47 pdurbin melodie: ask away :)
18:48 melodie I just installed git in my distro
18:48 melodie for now I just follow what is written
18:48 melodie thanks :)
18:50 melodie pdurbin do you know if I need some or any of the optional depends ? here is a list provided by my package manager:
18:50 melodie tk: gitk and git gui
18:50 melodie perl-libwww: git svn
18:50 melodie perl-term-readkey: git svn
18:50 melodie perl-mime-tools: git send-email
18:50 melodie perl-net-smtp-ssl: git send-email TLS support
18:50 melodie perl-authen-sasl: git send-email TLS support
18:50 melodie python2: various helper scripts[installé]
18:50 melodie subversion: git svn
18:50 melodie cvsps: git cvsimport
18:50 melodie I won't use subversion this I am sure
18:51 melodie else I don't know
18:51 pdurbin meh. it's all good. install it all :)
18:53 melodie :o
18:53 melodie I don't think I need that much ?
18:53 melodie why do I need them all ?
18:55 pdurbin you probably don't
18:55 melodie oh ok :D
18:55 melodie I can always find the list if I need to later, the pacman.log is very handy
18:58 pdurbin melodie: you can add yourself to http://crimsonfu.github.io/members with a pull request to https://github.com/crimsonfu/crimso​nfu.github.com/tree/master/members :)
18:58 melodie ok I am going to try to do that
18:59 pdurbin that you should be able to do all in your browser if you want
19:00 melodie I am wondering about something
19:01 melodie shouldn't I quit the nick for registering ?
19:02 pdurbin melodie: quit the nick?
19:03 melodie none of you have used their nick at that page
19:03 pdurbin oh. my nick is in the url
19:03 pdurbin i.e. http://crimsonfu.github.io/members/pdurbin
19:04 melodie oh ok
19:04 pdurbin melodie: in this file you can set your display_name if you want to start making blog posts: https://github.com/crimsonfu/crimsonf​u.github.com/blob/master/_config.yml
19:23 melodie Hi melodie11! You've successfully authenticated, but GitHub does not provide shell access.
19:23 melodie lol!
19:26 pdurbin heh
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19:36 melodie pdurbin what is next I need to do to add myself to your group ?
19:42 pdurbin melodie: hold on I'm just realizing that...
19:42 pdurbin rackerhacker: ... you tried to add yourself 3 months ago?!? https://github.com/crimsonfu​/crimsonfu.github.com/pull/1
19:43 pdurbin rackerhacker: sorry! :)
19:43 melodie pdurbin no problem, I keep myself busy in the meanwhile
19:43 pdurbin melodie: your pull request should look like that :)
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19:44 GitHub60 [crimsonfu.github.com] pdurbin pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/crimsonfu/crimsonfu.gith​ub.com/compare/b5070e43b15c...be6eedfb0fe6
19:44 GitHub60 crimsonfu.github.com/master d95163c Major Hayden: Added member details for myself (Major)
19:44 GitHub60 crimsonfu.github.com/master be6eedf Philip Durbin: Merge pull request #1 from rackerhacker/master...
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19:44 pdurbin rackerhacker: all set: http://crimsonfu.github.io/members/rackerhacker ... sorry for the delay :)
19:45 melodie perhaps should I start with the beginning ? I didn't yet find how to submit a registration to your group
19:46 pdurbin melodie: it's pretty informal :)
19:46 pdurbin basically if you hang out in this channel you're a member :)
19:46 melodie oh...
19:49 melodie pdurbin when I click to "Edit" to the link you provided me earlier
19:49 melodie https://github.com/crimsonfu/crimsonf​u.github.com/blob/master/_config.yml
19:49 melodie it says:
19:50 melodie "Octotip: You are editing a file in a project you do not have write access to. We are forking this project for you (if one does not yet exist) to write your proposed changes to. Submitting a change to this file will write it to a new branch in your fork so you can send a pull request. "
19:50 melodie what do I need to do then ?
19:54 * pdurbin looks at https://github.com/crimsonfu/crim​sonfu.github.com/network/members
19:54 pdurbin melodie: right. so, you edit the files in your fork, your version of the main repo: https://github.com/melodie11/crimsonfu.github.com
19:55 melodie I understand what you say when you say "melodie: right. so, you edit the files in your fork,"
19:56 melodie ...
19:56 melodie I think I get it
19:56 pdurbin :)
19:59 melodie I feel stupid. How do I edit that ?
20:01 melodie do I add "nick: mynick" and name just before "something_to_iterate_over:" ?
20:02 pdurbin yep
20:02 melodie ok :)
20:03 melodie so that is not too complicated. Do I simply end with clicking to the "Propose File Change" button ?
20:04 pdurbin yep
20:04 melodie ok
20:05 melodie done. what should I do next ?
20:05 melodie am I ready to submit this little patch for the cs50 desktop file appliance ?
20:06 pdurbin melodie: then... "send pull request" like this screenshot: https://github.com/perl-doc-cat​s/perl-tutorial-org-data/pull/4
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20:10 melodie pdurbin I am going to try to explore more about the structure of the github organisation because I don't quite get it for the time being
20:10 melodie I'll read from that main page gain and follow the links
20:15 pdurbin melodie: ok. no hurry :)
20:53 melodie pdurbin I am having a look at commandlinefu website, and the first command line I see makes me laugh :)
20:53 melodie http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/browse
20:54 melodie by the time the 3600 seconds elapse this guy needs to be back to provide his password. ^^
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21:32 melodie pdurbin some time ago you told me about cs50 that I could start with reporting some issues here: https://manual.cs50.net/CS50​_Appliance_2.3#Known_Issues
21:33 melodie however browsing to and fro at that page there isn't anything which looks to me like a bugzilla
21:34 melodie for now I still don't now how I can make a pull request, are there any "1-2-3" steps I could follow, and see how the pull would go in direction of this git tree ?
21:36 melodie the "know_issues" page is even locked and the login button dedicated to staff only.
21:37 melodie known*
21:52 pdurbin melodie: I don't know. the best place to ask is probably http://groups.google.com/group/cs50-discuss/topics
21:53 melodie pdurbin else than that, how a pull request done through crimsonfu group can go to cs50 repos ?
21:55 pdurbin melodie: crimsonfu has nothing to do with cs50
21:56 melodie that's what I was thinking
21:56 pdurbin :)
21:56 melodie doesn't the cs50 appliance have a repos there too ?
21:56 pdurbin I thought maybe you'd like to practice a pull request
21:56 pdurbin melodie: there's https://github.com/cs50/appliance50
21:56 melodie I am not too keen however I prefer to do things with stuff that are real and meant to be used
21:57 pdurbin melodie: you could open an issue: https://github.com/cs50/appliance50/issues
21:57 melodie thank you
21:57 melodie is that better ?
21:57 pdurbin can't hurt :)
21:57 melodie there are too many little issues I met with, I should restart from the beginning
21:58 melodie that would be a list of issues
21:58 melodie :|
21:58 pdurbin probably better to mention them in one email to the list then
21:58 melodie brrr
21:58 melodie no I won't
21:58 melodie I need to be part of the list for some time before doing something such as this
21:59 melodie I don't want to look like I criticize publicly, I want to come with the problems and solution one by one at the most relevant place
22:00 melodie I will also take this as an opportunity to learn how github works
22:00 melodie and get familiar with it
22:01 pdurbin knowing how github works is a good thing
22:01 pdurbin sounds like you're making progress :)
22:02 melodie :)
22:07 melodie pdurbin where is your "fu" favicon intented to be ? which website ?
22:09 melodie pdurbin this is what I am referring to:
22:09 melodie https://github.com/melodie11/crimson​fu.github.com/blob/26c1c3c1f4ff7e0ad​2d6e3fd1dcc26d1192f53bd/favicon.ico
22:09 melodie https://github.com/melodie11/crimsonfu.github.com​/commit/26c1c3c1f4ff7e0ad2d6e3fd1dcc26d1192f53bd
22:10 pdurbin fu is short for kung fu
22:10 melodie yes
22:11 melodie I was looking for a contribution I could do there and I know favicons are usually much smaller. so I thought I would ask you at which website you are having it
22:12 melodie so I can have a look at "what it looks like" in situ, if it is already in use
22:12 pdurbin you should be able to see a favicon at http://crimsonfu.github.io
22:13 pdurbin and the "fu" as an image near the top of that page
22:16 melodie ok, this one http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/5ac​cd79d827a12591f4b2ba652362688?s=48 is 48x48, as they can be 16x16, or 32x32, 48.. 64 I guess the one you have on git will not be used as is
22:16 melodie nothing to be done for me here. :)
22:16 melodie or by me*
22:16 pdurbin :)
22:17 pdurbin am I doing it right?
22:17 melodie I think you are doing perfect and I am unfortunately not useful yet. ^^
22:17 pdurbin heh
22:17 pdurbin you're useful. don't worry :)
22:17 melodie thanks. :)
22:18 pdurbin melodie: so are you learning some C? from taking cs50?
22:18 melodie I will
22:19 melodie I am preparing my hardware to make it easier and more agreable, configured the dual screen on the laptop, got some better speakers for now and will by some better headphones soon too. and tomorrow I start another course which will last several weeks up to mid june
22:20 melodie and I already know Scratch, I had even included it in this project: http://meylodie.wordpress.com/20​11/10/25/pclinuxos-education-en
22:21 pdurbin the other course is in Scratch?
22:21 melodie I like it very much when they show and compare the Scratch objects with the shape of the C code, it's very explanatory
22:21 melodie they use Scratch as a pedagogic tool
22:23 melodie pdurbin you might want to get this version of distro for your children, no need to update it
22:23 melodie it's too old to be updated as is anyhow
22:23 melodie the installer is even hidden
22:25 melodie this is the one course where C is compared with the Scratch objects: http://cs50.tv/2011/fall/sections/1/section1.mp4
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22:30 pdurbin_m cool
22:34 pdurbin_m a book about C: http://irclog.greptilian.com​/sourcefu/2013-04-14#i_5224
22:34 melodie pdurbin_m thank you
22:35 pdurbin_m I haven't read it
22:35 pdurbin_m sounds good though
22:36 melodie I just did a walk throught the cs50 git repos and examined several branches, to finally figure out your suggest to post here: https://github.com/cs50/appliance50/issues is the best place
22:36 melodie for what I can and want to contribute
22:37 melodie pdurbin all the contributions I did before and the ones done by our LinuxVillage friends are available here: http://tyruiop.eu/~melodie/Downloads/ISOS
22:38 melodie and can be found also from the nav bar of the main LinuxVillage website at http://linuxvillage.org (download tab links directly to "Linuxvillage" directory which is under "ISOS"
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22:43 pdurbin_m right. you make a lot of ISOs. awesome
22:45 melodie pdurbin_m :)
22:46 melodie the Debian isos are all from djohnston and Taco.22
22:46 melodie :D
22:48 pdurbin_m ah
22:50 melodie I had done lots of ISOs at pclinuxos, that was when I had everything to learn about doing them.
22:50 melodie and some debugging on the way too, fortunately the project interested many people and they came to help with their knowledge and skills.
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22:52 pdurbin_m any interest in making vagrant base boxes?
22:54 pdurbin_m check out https://github.com/spilth/veewee-centos63
22:59 melodie pdurbin I am not able to learn too many things at same time and still maintain a life out of the computer
23:00 melodie each new item to learn about brings in more side things to learn with it
23:01 pdurbin_m :)
23:01 melodie pdurbin this is what I am starting tomorrow, because it was available and because you have advised me to start with python: https://www.coursera.org/course/interactivepython
23:01 melodie so this will be my "full time" learning for the next weeks
23:02 melodie and I will fall back to cs50 OpenCoursware after
23:02 pdurbin_m that reminds me. the Java people recommend Java, not python ;)
23:02 melodie unless I continue watching a video little by little, at least to get familiar with the topics
23:02 melodie pdurbin I won't go there, no way
23:03 melodie python ok because lots of people take it, even very young ones, and Java apps I don't like anyway
23:03 pdurbin here: [09:10] at http://www.evanchooly.com/​logs/%23%23jsf/2013-04-11
23:03 melodie in Linux they don't look handsome and it slows down the computers for being resource greedy
23:04 pdurbin I think the important thing is to learn any programming language
23:05 pdurbin sounds like you already understand the concepts. you just need practice
23:05 pdurbin (I need more practice too)
23:05 melodie why is it talked about Java and about Javascript in the same discussion ?
23:05 melodie some of them, but not much yet
23:07 pdurbin javascript is the language of the browser so many language are combined with javascript... php+javascript, java+javascript, ruby+javascript, python+javascript
23:07 melodie I will be most interested to learn about all open source languages (I'll always stay a newbie anyhow ^^ ) and will enjoy getting into understanding
23:07 melodie I don't remember Java being quoted as open source ?
23:08 melodie python is a powerful snake, already read a chapter of presentation related to python today. It seems it does hundreds of things
23:08 pdurbin java didn't start out as open source but it is now
23:09 pdurbin melodie: this is the main downside with python for me: http://wiki.greptilian.com/python/downsides (and it's not *that* big of a downside)
23:10 melodie I will look, thanks
23:20 pdurbin sure
23:23 pdurbin heh. now I've got the Java guys talking again: http://www.evanchooly.com/​logs/%23%23jsf/2013-04-14 :)
23:23 pdurbin like I do :)
23:29 melodie isn't Java closed source, and why aren't there any handsome themes for Java applications in linux boxes ? the fonts are all ugly for instance
23:31 melodie pdurbin "Technodrome Java is an all around great language, people who say its slow are usually talking about gui apps they have used in 1999 using java"
23:31 pdurbin I don't know why it's ugly. :) ... Java is kind of like Perl... it's for getting work done. :)
23:32 melodie in 99 I didn't have a computer, this is a Java app tried just a pair of years ago
23:32 melodie I have been told it might look not that ugly in Windows, but this is something I don't know really
23:32 pdurbin Java used to be closed source. not anymore
23:33 melodie since when ?
23:33 pdurbin buh. 5 or 10 years? not sure
23:33 melodie when did it happen and who holds the code ?
23:34 pdurbin well, Java is a spec... so multiple organization write their own implementation (Oracle, IBM, Red Hat)
23:34 pdurbin people talk about "openjdk" vs. "Oracle Java"
23:34 pdurbin in theory, Java apps should run fine on both
23:35 melodie ok
23:36 melodie however this is the big "thing" now, all the schools and trainings for grown up push to Java... why ? aren't there other very good languages as well ? and providing nicer ui ?
23:37 pdurbin that's a fair question
23:37 pdurbin a few schools are switching from teaching Java first to teaching Python
23:38 pdurbin you gotta teach *something* first ;)
23:41 melodie pdurbin http://wiki.greptilian.com/python/downsides your exemple makes me think of Spip CMS vers Wordpress CMS
23:42 melodie with Spip you need first to make a skeleton, whereas in Wordpress you just write your posts and once it's done you can create the relevant category on the fly, and later add subcategories or parent categories as easily
23:43 pdurbin crimsonfubot: lucky spip cms
23:43 crimsonfubot pdurbin: http://www.spip.net/en_rubrique25.html
23:43 melodie I like this method much better because less strict allows leaving the need and imagination work freely
23:43 pdurbin python is all about being strict
23:44 pdurbin so is java
23:44 pdurbin perl is not :)
23:44 pdurbin ironcamel: ^^
23:44 melodie I think I could like Perl
23:51 pdurbin !
23:51 pdurbin nobody says that but me and ironcamel ;)
23:51 pdurbin codex: and you
23:53 pdurbin melodie: the perl community is so nice. check out the conversation I had in #pdl on friday: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/pdl/2013-04-12
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23:58 melodie pdurbin I have a great pdf book and several documentations, I just have to start somewhere with a good frame, this is why I was seeking for online courses
23:59 melodie this great pdf book was given to me by his author, it's written in French and has the good size fonts.

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