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IRC log for #crimsonfu, 2013-05-14

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10:07 pdurbin ironcamel: ok ok, *maybe* I should try zsh: https://plus.google.com/10249971​9144563443986/posts/J6yGvUNYMRW
10:07 pdurbin ( http://www.slideshare.net/jaguardesignstudio​/why-zsh-is-cooler-than-your-shell-16194692 and https://github.com/robbyrussell/oh-my-zsh )
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13:49 run4flat pdurbin, you should check out zoidberg shell
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14:14 pdurbin crimsonfubot: lucky zoidberg shell
14:14 crimsonfubot pdurbin: http://www.drdobbs.com/web-development/zo​idberg-a-shell-that-speaks-perl/184416203
14:14 pdurbin run4flat: you're so perl-y :)
14:17 run4flat :-)
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14:30 pdurbin the Donald Knuth vs. Doug McIlroy story in the slides is awesome
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15:18 jimi_c mhayden: re: http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Ubuntu​-Strikes-Out-on-Its-Own-Again-78015.html <- the rants in that article are a bunch of BS. I'm certainly no Ubuntu fan (they NEVER send me patches upstream for cobbler), but to complain about companies writing more FOSS (even if it's for its own sake) is dumb
15:18 jimi_c i don't remember people complaining about up2date when urpmi was perfectly fine (even if it was mandrake), and then yum
15:19 jimi_c actually people did complain about yum a lot, but that's because at first it lacked a lot of features up2date had, but it caught up very  quickly
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15:22 * jimi_c really hates work wireless some days
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16:07 sivoais that zsh completion is enough to get me to convert... *installs* NOW
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17:22 Topic for #crimsonfu is now http://crimsonfu.github.com - ConfiguRatIon Management of Systems Or Network kung FU | logs at http://irclog.perlgeek.de/crimsonfu/today
17:39 pdurbin you want a box behind every firewall? that checks in with a mother ship?
18:05 pdurbin we had a setup like that with opsview
18:09 ben_e_ that's what we have now
18:10 ben_e_ nagios before
18:11 pdurbin I wonder if this is any good: The State of Open-Source Monitoring // Speaker Deck - https://speakerdeck.com/obfuscurity/​the-state-of-open-source-monitoring
18:11 dotplus I did hear someone say they loved their monitoring-fu recently. I think he was referring to a meganagios setup provided by omdistro.org (especially check_mk)
18:36 JoeJulian http://joejulian.name/blog/setting-up-dogtag-​pki-ca-certificate-manager/#comment-897320357 - I hope my reply gets them to package ejbca. It looked much friendlier than dogtag.
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19:49 pdurbin thanks to codex we have irclogbot_sc too :)
19:49 melodie oh!
19:50 melodie thank you codex
19:50 melodie pdurbin nothing happened on #wonderstudy, or did you just not "push" new logs to github ?
19:50 melodie I don't know how that works
19:53 codex Url if anyone needs it: http://irclog.spacecompute.com
19:58 pdurbin melodie: correct, the process is manual :(
19:59 * codex -> interested in this log push to github
20:00 pdurbin codex: https://github.com/wonderstudy/irclog
20:00 melodie codex beautiful
20:00 melodie would you add #wonderstudy and #linuxvillage ?
20:01 codex pdurbin: oh that's very easy to automate
20:01 codex melodie: to irclog.spacecompute?
20:01 melodie yes
20:01 melodie it looks nice and easy to search in
20:01 codex sure, one sec
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20:03 codex melodie: all set
20:04 codex http://irclog.spacecompute.com/linuxvillage/today & http://irclog.spacecompute.com/wonderstudy/today
20:10 pdurbin codex: yeah, not sure how I want to automate it though
20:11 codex is the goal for archiving or someone is pulling/reading it real time?
20:11 codex idk if github imposes limits, but you COULD push every minute
20:12 pdurbin archiving. once a day is fine
20:12 codex 'We limit requests to 60 per hour for unauthenticated requests. For requests using Basic Authentication or OAuth, we limit requests to 5,000 per hour.'
20:12 codex oh so even easier then
20:12 codex :)
20:12 codex pdurbin: why not just backup the mysql db btw?
20:13 pdurbin I do: https://github.com/pdurbin/data.greptilian.com
20:13 pdurbin but that isn't automated either :(
20:14 codex pdurbin: sounds like you should look at rsnapshots
20:14 * pdurbin hangs head
20:14 codex or just a cron job with a mysqldump + scp/github push
20:17 pdurbin yeah
20:21 melodie codex I send you many thanks!
20:22 codex not a problem at all. I plan on keeping this around for a long time, and I am backing up the mysql repo, so if you need other channels, feel free to ping me
20:22 codex pdurbin: ^ same goes without saying
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20:24 pdurbin codex: thanks :)
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21:58 pdurbin codex: I guess the thing I worry a bit about is... what if I generate an ssh key pair for my server to push irc logs and mysql dumps to github... and then the private key gets stolen off the server.  I guess I could create another github account for this... one that doesn't have access to my normal stuff (which includes work-related stuff)
22:09 semiosis pushing irc logs and mysql dumps to github?  that sounds wrong
22:53 pdurbin semiosis: yeah, it's sub-optimal but I need to get that data off my VM... need to get it somewhere off site...
22:54 semiosis S3
22:54 semiosis they pay me to say that
22:54 semiosis hahaha j/k
22:54 pdurbin heh
22:55 pdurbin could do, I guess. one advantage github has is that it's free. I guess I could use Dropbox. could install the Linux client on my server. again, I'd probably want to use some new password with limited access though
22:57 pdurbin at least when I do the manual download of data to my laptop and push to github I'm aware of if it failed or not
22:58 pdurbin but I agree it's dumb
22:59 pdurbin hmm, "Internet Archive's S3 like server API" -- http://archive.org/help/abouts3.txt
23:00 agoddard ben_e: sensu ftw
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23:09 pdurbin agoddard: I'm not sure why firewalls would be a problem with sensu
23:10 agoddard ya, it wouldn't be a problem
23:13 melodie pdurbin private keys should never be out, but in your possession only
23:13 melodie same as certificates of revocation
23:15 pdurbin melodie: am I allowed to put my private keys on my server in the cloud? :) ... I probably shouldn't... :)
23:27 pdurbin man, the dropbox linux client has a ton of dependencies. 82 packages on my headless VM
23:27 pdurbin and http://box.com doesn't have a linux client. and I don't know about Google Drive
23:27 pdurbin semiosis: does S3 have a linux client? it must
23:29 pdurbin oh yeah, I've heard of this boto thing: https://github.com/boto/boto
23:30 pdurbin yum install python-boto works. it's in epel...
23:31 melodie pdurbin I have a suggest perhaps... perhaps.
23:31 melodie can a private key be displayd as raw text ? I would suppose yes ,
23:31 melodie ?
23:32 pdurbin huh, and I can get 5 GB of S3 for free? that's plenty of space... http://aws.amazon.com/free/
23:33 melodie pdurbin ? about private keys
23:33 melodie can it be pasted ?
23:33 pdurbin melodie: yes, private keys are in plain text
23:33 melodie ok
23:34 melodie then if you want to have it in a safe place you could send it to yourself in a mail... encrypted with gpg :D
23:34 semiosis pdurbin: s3cmd is the popular cli
23:34 melodie which will also of course have a private key that you should not send on the web
23:34 semiosis pdurbin: it's far from perfect, but it usually gets the job done without any hassle
23:35 semiosis pdurbin: you can use an AWS service called IAM (Identity & Access Management) to make API keys with limited access
23:35 pdurbin semiosis: thanks. so this free 5GB of S3 from amazon should work, right? and the s3cmd client?
23:36 semiosis pdurbin: yep.  i think s3cmd even has some kind of encryption feature, never used it tho
23:36 pdurbin hmm. ok
23:37 pdurbin melodie: my concerns is that my VM with the data will be hacked. but if the only secret on there is my password for my backups to S3 that's not so bad. I'd like to configure the backups to be public anyway. I assume I can do that with S3 like I do with Dropbox or Google Drive
23:37 pdurbin concern*
23:38 melodie I don't know about S3, and I was answering only about the ssh keys, private and public
23:39 melodie why would your VM be hacked ? Why wouldn't rather your hard drive die one day ? Or your machine have an accident ?
23:39 semiosis pdurbin: you can make s3 objects public, but someone has to pay for the egress transfer
23:39 pdurbin my VM will be hacked some day because it's on the public internet :)
23:39 melodie ah...
23:40 melodie why wouldn't you keep the sensitive data somewhere else ?
23:40 pdurbin semiosis: hmm, so I can have 5 GB for free but I can't make it public
23:40 pdurbin unless someone pays for something (egress)
23:41 pdurbin melodie: the only sensitive data is the password I would great so I can start copying data from the VM in the cloud to somewhere offsite such as Amazon's AWS S3 storage service. the data itself (IRC logs) is already public
23:41 melodie pdurbin if you want 10 GB for free and have it either public or private you can use minus.com
23:41 semiosis pdurbin: you pay for two things in S3: disk usage for data at rest, and network egress for bytes served to the internet.  you could exceed the free tier limit in either one
23:42 pdurbin would great? I meant to say "the password I would create"
23:42 semiosis pdurbin: if lots of people download your data from s3 you may have to pay for the extra bandwidth out, even though your stored file size is well under 5G
23:42 melodie but you will only have the web browser to send data, and no access by ssh, or ftp or such…
23:43 pdurbin semiosis: wat. that sucks. sounds like they're going to want a credit card
23:44 pdurbin melodie: yeah, I'm going to need ftp or whatever. scp, rsync
23:45 pdurbin cmdln: should I use archive.org?
23:46 pdurbin seems like you have to upload metadata with every transfer. bleh
23:46 pdurbin maybe someone in this channel has a VM I can copy the data to :)
23:47 pdurbin codex: not you. somewhere off site :)
23:47 eben what are you trying to do exactly?
23:47 eben agoddard: i'll investigate sensu more. thanks.
23:48 ben_e there's some italian dude using my nick!
23:48 pdurbin ben_e: right now I'm stupidly uploading data to https://github.com/pdurbin/data.greptilian.com to get it off site
23:48 ben_e this underscore makes me feel uncomfortable
23:48 ben_e where "site" is a VM somewhere that hosts your public website?
23:48 pdurbin ben_e: can I upload it to your VM instead?
23:48 ben_e probably
23:49 pdurbin the site is codex's basement (I think)
23:49 ben_e heh
23:49 pdurbin ben_e: I'd be happy to host some data for you. no charge!
23:49 ben_e i have plenty of all that
23:50 ben_e or something
23:50 semiosis pdurbin: they will want a credit card :/
23:50 pdurbin done and done
23:50 pdurbin semiosis: f amazon ;)
23:50 semiosis ha
23:51 melodie pdurbin this looks fun: http://www.symform.com/our-solutions/pricing/
23:51 melodie please have a look?
23:51 pdurbin melodie: do they have a linux client?
23:51 ben_e is this just for backup?
23:51 melodie and free backup here: http://www.symform.com/free-cloud-backup/
23:52 melodie I don't know yet, I just found it
23:52 pdurbin ben_e: yeah. we could do a proper mirror or whatever
23:52 semiosis pdurbin: how about that mega guy?  didnt he launch a new free storage site?
23:52 semiosis istr something about that
23:52 pdurbin mega guy?
23:52 melodie I bet if you type a few words such as "US free storage" or other keywords you will find more than one solution
23:52 pdurbin melodie: why? I have ben_e :)
23:53 melodie pdurbin why what ?
23:53 pdurbin why look any further than ben_e :)
23:53 ben_e the megaupload guy
23:53 ben_e kim dotcom
23:53 semiosis pdurbin: kim dotcom?  he was in the news not too long ago.  megaupload got raided, etc etc
23:54 pdurbin dunno him
23:54 semiosis recently he started a new site, which appears to be https://mega.co.nz/
23:55 pdurbin and he got raided? should i trust this guy?
23:55 semiosis i think the movie studios have more to worry about than you do
23:56 pdurbin I give away my IRC logs for free :)
23:56 semiosis the fbi raided megaupload because people were storing pirated content there
23:57 semiosis legit users with legal data got screwed
23:57 semiosis i'm surprised you haven't heard about this
23:57 ben_e it was all over ars technica and the other geek news sites
23:57 pdurbin must be on the wrong sites
23:58 semiosis it was in the ny times too
23:58 semiosis it was big international news... fbi raided the guy's home in new zealand

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