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IRC log for #crimsonfu, 2014-04-02

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01:37 hydrajump Just came across this service https://waffle.io/ pretty cool idea
02:01 pdurbin "Why don't you open source your workflow?"
02:01 * pdurbin looks at https://waffle.io/waffleio/waffle.io
02:02 pdurbin so this is making a trello board from github issues, right? like https://huboard.com/researchcompendia/researchcompendia
02:02 pdurbin skay: ^^
02:03 pdurbin unrelated: forcing https with apache
02:03 pdurbin https://wiki.apache.org/httpd/RewriteHTTPToHTTPS totally works and is easy but there's a somewhat scary note saying "Using mod_rewrite to do this isn't the recommended behavior. See RedirectSSL" ... wondering how scared I should be
02:33 skay pdurbin: yes sort of
02:33 skay kanban style
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12:59 PaxIndustria morning
12:59 pdurbin mornin'
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13:15 hydrajump afternoon ;)
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15:54 dotplus pdurbin: wrt. redirect/rewrite to https, why is that scary? Are they not both valid methods?
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15:58 pdurbin dotplus: I think mod_rewrite is fine. But why is there FUD on that page? Is it not fine?
16:01 ben_e redirect will eventually cause the crawlers to drop the non http page from their indexes
16:02 ben_e if you really want the canonical URL to be https, then you should use a permanent redirect
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16:03 pdurbin hmm. ok
16:08 codex pdurbin: i actually prefer o/s, but only when functionality is not harmed
16:08 codex and usually this is the case
16:08 codex but there are a few exceptions where o/s limits you
16:11 pdurbin the vagrant guy complains about the limitations of virtualbox too
16:11 pdurbin well, maybe not complains. but prefers vmware
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16:56 codex win 24
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17:25 ben_e http://wiki.nginx.org/Pitfalls#Taxing_Rewrites <- the nginx docs opinion
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18:16 pdurbin ben_e: the nginx opinion is that mod_rewrite is fine?
18:20 ben_e no, it's the "i have a problem; i know i'll use regexes" == two problems opinion
18:25 pdurbin oh
18:25 pdurbin huh mod_ssl doesn't seem to be enabled by default on mac: http://blog.andyhunt.info/2011/11/26/apache-ssl-on-max-osx-lion-10-7/
18:26 pdurbin seems to match the answer at http://superuser.com/questions/73979/how-to-easily-create-a-ssl-certificate-and-configure-it-in-apache2-in-mac-os-x
18:27 pdurbin codex: I know, I know... just do all this in docker, right? :)
18:41 ben_e what are you doing?
18:41 ben_e modifying the system daemons on a mac is a fool's errand
18:42 ben_e No Good Will Come Of This, pdurbin!
18:42 * ben_e shakes his hoary UNIX fist
18:42 pdurbin ben_e: heh. on sec and my message should hit the archive
18:42 pdurbin ben_e: NativeSPMacInstall, homebrew - http://shibboleth.net/pipermail/users/2014-April/014907.html
18:54 pdurbin ben_e: it's ok to feel sorry for me
18:56 ben_e i pity the fool!</mr_t>
18:57 pdurbin heh
18:57 ben_e do people run production deployments of DVN on os x?
18:57 pdurbin hell no
18:57 ben_e so why develop on it?
18:57 pdurbin I mean, they've tried
18:57 pdurbin and we've helped them
18:58 pdurbin ben_e: what should I develop on instead?
18:58 ben_e build a vagrant dev env and then make dev look as closely like prod as possible
18:58 ben_e use the vbox folder sharing to export your src dirs into the vagrant vm
18:58 pdurbin ben_e: and run my IDE (netbeans) inside vagrant?!1
18:58 ben_e so you can use Eclipse against your local src code
18:59 ben_e but the build artifacts will run inside the VM
18:59 pdurbin or inside docker, if I go that route
18:59 pdurbin codex: isn't that the idea?
18:59 ben_e meh
19:00 pdurbin we need a "tools" team to set all this up for us
19:00 ben_e i should demo our django dev set up
19:00 ben_e it's basically that idea
19:01 ben_e with ansible playbooks that you can point at dev/staging/production to drive deployment, updates, etc
19:03 pdurbin ben_e: yes! please come give a tech talk: https://lists.iq.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/techtalkfollowup
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19:35 codex pdurbin: hm?
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20:00 pdurbin codex: right now we all work on (java) code and deploy into glassfish (a java ee container/server like jboss) running on our macs. what would you do?
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20:39 codex oh interesting
20:39 codex i could see docker being used for cheap containers for a dev env
20:39 codex every time you need a server - use a container
20:40 codex but the best part - you can trigger it into your deployment system
20:40 codex so when you check code into svn/git - it can run it through jenkins, and deploy a container at the end
20:42 pdurbin some more thoughs on this here: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/shibboleth/2014-04-02
20:44 codex heh
20:44 codex i love the first line
20:44 pdurbin :(
20:44 pdurbin ;)
20:45 codex i agree about os x being suck for dev env.
20:45 pdurbin meh. it's fine for java
20:45 codex i attempted at one point to get the full lamp stack, and all this extra stuff
20:45 codex but it's such a pain in the ass
20:45 pdurbin codex: what should i use for java dev? linux? windows?
20:45 codex idk
20:46 codex i've never been a SERIOUS java dev
20:46 pdurbin exactly :)
20:46 codex only place was for 1 year
20:46 codex writing the GSD plotter system
20:46 codex and i used eclipse
20:46 codex and made it work
20:46 codex the rest of the stuff - i've been using vim
20:46 codex and this was back like in '06
21:31 skay ben_e: I'd like to see your django deployment setup
21:32 skay pdurbin: this will be annoying, but one thing you can do is perhaps have a shared mounted volume so that you can edit your source code outside of the vagrant box?
21:32 skay that is a bunch of meh for me, so I don't end up doing it
21:33 skay and for me as a java dev, I used os x and centos
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21:36 pdurbin at home i write java on fedora
21:37 skay pdurbin: btw, http://www.csie.ntu.edu.tw/~b01902112/9007199254740992/
21:37 pdurbin lordy
21:37 pdurbin my whole family is addicted
21:37 pdurbin JoeJulian: ^^
21:39 JoeJulian hehe
21:40 JoeJulian Troublemaker
21:40 skay pdurbin: oh, I should get the rest of my family addicted
21:40 skay good idea
21:41 pdurbin skay: not your 7 year old. she'll keep asking to play
21:41 pdurbin (if you have a 7 year old)
21:42 skay oops. I do not meet the prereq. I will have to borrow one
22:13 JoeJulian pdurbin: You do realize the danger of indoctrinating a 7 year old (or any subordinate) with logic, don't you?
22:13 pdurbin she still doesn't know her powers of 2 very well. I'm a touch disappointed. Stupid game.
22:14 pdurbin kidding
22:14 * pdurbin loves 2048
22:14 JoeJulian Hehe
22:15 JoeJulian I was teaching my 4yo to count to 31 on one hand last week.
22:17 pdurbin that's no mean feat
22:17 semiosis how about counting to 20 on one hand?
22:18 JoeJulian Which method is 20? 31 is, of course, binary.
22:18 semiosis idk if there's a name for it
22:19 semiosis kinda my own invention afaik
22:19 semiosis 1-4 on the digits, summing values.  thumb is 10
22:19 semiosis so index (1) + pinky (4) = 5
22:19 semiosis all four fingers = 10 = thumb
22:20 JoeJulian So a variation on binary.
22:21 JoeJulian well... no...
22:21 JoeJulian Ok, odd.
22:21 semiosis hahahaha
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