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IRC log for #crimsonfu, 2014-04-03

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12:13 pdurbin interesting: Feature #3802: Setup dataverse 4.0 on MW Azure - Dataverse Network - Project Management at IQSS, Harvard University - https://redmine.hmdc.harvard.edu/issues/3802
12:14 pdurbin I assume that's supposed to be "MS Azure"
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12:35 pdurbin ben_e: see? all this VMs for dev stuff sounds great but it's a little tricky the more moving parts you add: http://irclog.iq.harvard.edu/dvn/2014-04-03#i_7967
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13:49 pdurbin I'll probably just got with Vagrant. It's what I know. I'm not going back to MacPorts.
13:54 hydrajump pdurbin homebrew
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13:55 pdurbin hydrajump: not supported: NativeSPMacInstall, homebrew - http://shibboleth.net/pipermail/users/2014-April/014911.html
13:59 hydrajump pdurbin ah I didn't know you were looking to install something specific. I've never heard of shibboleth before ;)
14:05 dotplus execute him!
14:05 dotplus oh no, that's only if he pronounces it incorrectly
14:13 semiosis pdurbin: install kubuntu on that mbp!
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14:22 hydrajump haha
14:23 hydrajump is shibboleth used to secure web servers or something as I saw apache mentioned?
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15:00 ben_e the complexity is the moving parts
15:00 ben_e not the VM
15:00 ben_e the VM in this instance decreases your complexity
15:02 ben_e since you can set up a single vagrant box, export it to a website, hand your devs/collaborators a vagrantfile and with 'vagrant up' they have a working, consistent environment that closely mimics the production deployment env
15:02 ben_e and since they're devs, when they break it, they can just vagrant destroy && vagrant up again
15:03 ben_e it may still be a boatload of upfront work getting the working, repeatable dev env set up
15:03 ben_e but you're gonna pay for complexity costs somewhere in the process
15:10 pdurbin in the netherlands, they apparently pronounce it "shib oh lay"
15:11 pdurbin ben_e: anything but macports
15:12 pdurbin semiosis: can kubuntu make use of a retina screen?
15:14 ben_e even if it could, you won't get as good a battery life as you will with OS X
15:15 ben_e if you need ubuntu on your mac, just virtualize it
15:15 ben_e i think you're being trolled though :P
15:17 * pdurbin thinks he is
15:32 hydrajump so shin oh lay ;) is SSO
15:32 hydrajump shib
15:32 hydrajump haha
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15:42 semiosis pdurbin: you tell me
15:43 semiosis retina displays have been out a while already, should be ok
15:44 pdurbin we're kind of in the middle of a release
15:48 semiosis at this point you should wait for trusty 14.04 to come out, later this month
15:54 * pdurbin can wait
15:57 hydrajump pdurbin you ditching OS X for Kubuntu?
15:58 * pdurbin can wait a loooong time
16:27 semiosis fwiw kubuntu looks great on my 1080p display
16:34 pdurbin at home I run fedora. I do like linux
16:34 pdurbin I just don't want to be out of step from the rest of my team
16:34 codex pdurbin: https://index.docker.io/u/ventz/dataos/
16:34 codex hydrajump: ^
16:34 codex PaxIndustria: ^
16:35 codex i renamed my 'dos' project to dataOS
16:35 codex from the stats on the account (which I just reset) -- i realized that about 100ish people were actively using this
16:35 pdurbin codex: so I start with `brew install docker` or something?
16:35 codex for the OS X client if you want to control from OS X directly
16:35 pdurbin i'm ok with this
16:39 codex pdurbin: start with the path of least resistance
16:39 codex learn how ti works "out of the box"
16:39 codex then add funky stuff :)
16:39 codex (that's my theory anyway)
16:39 codex but - you could just follow the OS X directions on their site - i think the new way of doing it with the boot2 image is much better
16:41 pdurbin codex: is the new way documented?
16:47 codex yep
16:50 pdurbin codex: this thing? https://github.com/boot2docker/boot2docker
16:50 pdurbin (via http://docs.docker.io/en/latest/installation/mac/ )
16:53 codex yea
16:55 codex pdurbin: i think hydrajump provided this already, but: http://docs.docker.io/en/latest/installation/mac/
16:56 codex so they ahve "supported platforms" vs "provisioning (usage from)"
16:57 hydrajump codex when I first saw dos I immediately thought of msdos and wondered what you had created :P
16:57 codex it turns out I got > 30 emails of people asking me if it was an image for "denail of service"
16:57 codex :sigh:
16:58 codex even though the description said "DataOS"
16:58 semiosis codex: DDoSaaS
16:58 codex srsly
16:59 hydrajump haha
17:11 PaxIndustria was reading this post after checking out the thread http://puppetlabs.com/blog/can-containers-and-configuration-management-co-exist
17:11 pdurbin westmaasaaS
17:11 pdurbin westmaas: ^^
17:12 PaxIndustria and I really like the idea of docker containers spun up by jenkins, that pretty sway
17:14 semiosis pdurbin: lol.  SEMIOSISaaS
17:15 semiosis PaxIndustria: me too
17:15 semiosis currently have to long lived VMs that jenkins deploys to & runs tests against.  i'd love to replace those with docker containers
17:19 hydrajump PaxIndustria I read about using ansible and docker for that....one sec let me find my links
17:19 hydrajump PaxIndustria https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew/pull/28078
17:21 hydrajump opps wrong link
17:21 hydrajump PaxIndustria http://www.ansible.com/blog/2014/02/12/installing-and-building-docker-with-ansible
17:22 PaxIndustria cool!
17:22 hydrajump I've used ansible and can't compare to chef or puppet but it's real easy to use
17:42 hydrajump pdurbin so you going to try and get that shibolay thing working via docker on your mac
18:14 pdurbin either docker or vagrant, I guess
18:18 codex http://blog.vpetkov.net/2013/08/31/openstack-network-controller-open-vswitch-network-interfaces-config/
18:18 codex ^ that was the article that openstack asked to license for their own documentation
18:18 * codex is extremely interested into why that's so popular
18:22 pdurbin codex: westmaas is your openstack guy
18:29 codex westmaas: ^ ping
18:30 codex why did that post get so popular?
18:30 codex i am getting like 50K+ unique hits per month
18:30 codex and why in the world would they want to license it when my license opens it to all
18:31 westmaas codex: hmmm
18:31 westmaas codex: as for why its popular I think it is becuace networking in openstack is generally confusing
18:31 codex yea, it's confusing as shit
18:31 codex heh
18:31 westmaas and it must be linked from somewhere now :)
18:31 codex that's why i posted it. i was shocked at how simple the end solution is, and how no one had it anywhere
18:31 codex westmaas: that's what i am trying to figure out
18:32 codex i see that google brings it up first at "openstack networking open vswitch"
18:32 codex but still, can't figure out what made it that popular
18:32 dotplus :( boot2docker didn't just work on my mac, installed via homebrew without error. `boot2docker status` says it's running. `boot2docker info` seems happy, but `docker version` gives me client info ok, but fails with unexpected EOF when I expect info about the server. `boot2docker ssh` hands for a while, then silently exits.
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18:54 westmaas codex: who reached out to you about licensing?
18:54 westmaas anne gentle?
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19:15 pdurbin who's going to watch them fire up the ol' MARK 1 in 45 minutes?
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19:54 codex westmaas: drew something
19:54 pdurbin heading over
19:54 pdurbin searchbot: lucky mark 1 computer
19:54 searchbot pdurbin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_Mark_I
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20:16 pdurbin_m https://twitter.com/philipdurbin/status/451814688691867648
20:16 pdurbin_m whoops. they*
20:17 semiosis pdurbin_m: is that in the science building?  i passed through there to get some AC on my walk to meet you at FASRC
20:17 semiosis pdurbin_m: was surprised to see that computer
20:18 pdurbin_m yep. science center
20:23 pdurbin_m ijstokes: nice shot: https://twitter.com/ijstokes/status/451814712368705536
20:24 pdurbin_m sjoeboo: ... of you ;)
20:38 sjoeboo ha, yep!
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20:57 pdurbin :)
20:58 pdurbin well, that was pretty cool. hear the thing hum. everyone was there. got a cookie
20:58 pdurbin heard*
20:58 ben_e no one wrote a "Hello world" for it
20:58 * ben_e was disappointed
20:58 semiosis how many u-boats did you sink with it?
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21:05 pdurbin from what I understand this tweet is no longer true: https://twitter.com/philipdurbin/status/313027257658642433
21:05 pdurbin the place was too mobbed for me to check though
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22:40 hydrajump you guys all live and work in Boston at Harvard University?
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22:49 pdurbin some of us. I do
22:52 pdurbin hydrajump: https://github.com/crimsonfu/crimsonfu.github.com/blob/master/index.md#about-the-name-crimsonfu
22:55 hydrajump ah that explains why you guys go to events together etc
22:56 pdurbin ben_e: so hard to please
23:01 semiosis hydrajump: not me
23:01 pdurbin semiosis: yeah but you're in cahoots with us
23:02 pdurbin hydrajump: what's you're story?
23:02 pdurbin your*
23:02 * pdurbin slings a towel over his shoulder and wipes a pint glass
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23:55 ben_e http://vagrantbox.msopentech.com/ <- windows vagrant box

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