Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #crimsonfu, 2014-12-12

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03:16 pdurbin mhayden: you like to post animated gifs. Enjoy! https://plus.google.com/+Youonlyhadonejob-com/posts
03:16 pdurbin prologic: gopher, huh?
07:46 prologic pdurbin, yeah gopher :)
07:46 prologic I'm kinda getting seriously into this
07:46 prologic you probably may (or may not) know how I'm visually impaired (legally blind)
07:47 prologic so fancy UI (as is the web these days) and these stupid flat uis
07:47 prologic are just terribly shit from an accessibility point of view
07:47 prologic there is a certain appeal to gopher really
07:47 prologic and you may know from previous chats that I'm also a UNIX as an IDE developer
07:47 prologic vim + lots of cli apps
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12:21 hydrajump prologic: i'm also slowly getting in go. really like how you can cross compile so easily for different OSes.
12:28 dotplus prologic: I guess you have a reverse proxy in front of your gopher service (gophernicus?); Server Information>your ip address reports '10.0.0.1'
12:29 prologic hydrajump, gopher
12:29 prologic not golang
12:29 prologic dotplus, DNAT
12:29 prologic yeah
12:30 prologic just running it on my desktop for  now
12:30 pdurbin the go mascot is a gopher #justsayin
12:31 * dotplus imagines a gopher daemon written in golang
12:32 dotplus I wonder if that is interesting enough and small enough to be a project to learn golang.
12:32 hydrajump prologic: hehe opps
12:33 * pdurbin is thinking about the ruby stuff called by http://podcasts.greptilian.com/go.sh for http://podcasts.greptilian.com in go
12:35 pdurbin because it's the quickest, dirtiest ruby you've ever seen
12:36 prologic sure could be :)
12:36 prologic it's an easy protocol
12:37 prologic anyway Gopher in general is really lovely
12:37 prologic there's an addon for Firefox that gives you a nice Gopher client
12:37 prologic and elinks has support for it with --enable-gopher (compile flag)
12:37 pdurbin prologic: next you'll be selling us on TCL
12:37 prologic nah
12:37 prologic some languages should die :)
12:37 prologic haha
12:38 pdurbin is that the one that's supported by the <script> tag in HTML?
12:38 * pdurbin forgets
12:38 prologic umm
12:38 prologic no
12:38 prologic that's javascript :)
12:38 prologic <script> tags in HTML don't support anything else
12:38 pdurbin no
12:39 prologic not without hacking the brwoser or some kind of addon
12:39 pdurbin there is another
12:39 prologic you're thinking SSI
12:39 prologic Server Side Includes
12:39 prologic but IIRC that wasn't TCL either
12:39 prologic just some kind of weird hacked up scripting langauge
12:39 dotplus SSI can use lots of languages it's server-dependent. remember cold fusion?
12:40 prologic ofc
12:40 prologic but I think many web servers had some builtin too
12:40 prologic not sure :)
12:40 prologic who users that anymore anyway
12:40 dotplus I think java or some MS thing were the most common
12:40 pdurbin 'In this example, we declare the default scripting language to be "text/tcl".' http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/scripts.html
12:45 dotplus do the regular search engines (duckduckgo, google, yahoo, baidu, yandex, bing, did I miss any big ones?) crawl gopherspace?
12:48 pdurbin dotplus: you mean like how google indexes nntp
12:48 dotplus uh, yeah. the more common example would be how google crawls/indexes http servers :)
12:49 prologic that's a very good question
12:49 prologic if you find the answer, speak up :)
12:49 prologic I'm not sure myself
12:49 prologic I know there are Veronica-V2 and VISHNU spiders/crawlers that crawl Gopherspace
12:49 prologic they seem to be the two main Gopher search engines
12:50 pdurbin dotplus: well, for nntp google renders it as html
12:50 prologic that's cheating :)
12:51 dotplus it's still useful and sorta counts. presumably they return links/pointers to the sources, right?
12:51 pdurbin prologic: so is http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=crimsonfu :)
12:51 prologic dotplus, yeah they do
12:51 prologic pdurbin, true :)
12:51 prologic you know guys
12:52 prologic it woudln't take much for a bunch of smart guys like us to revitalize Gopher :)
12:52 prologic put a new spin on it for the new young hipsters that are all social this and social that :)
12:53 prologic IRC has been bastardized that many times now over the past decade I've lost count :)
12:53 mhayden pdurbin: hah, thanks for the gifs
12:54 dotplus I sort of assumed that there is still an existing core of gopher-folk, that it never exactly died, just that the rest of the world forgot about it. perhaps I'm wrong?
12:54 pdurbin mhayden: only the best for you, my friend
12:54 mhayden i'm working on getting approval to go to the summit this year in boston, will hopefully present on something
12:55 pdurbin mhayden: nice! look me up. oh, and go all the way back to the beginning (like I did) and fine the one with the sea lions
12:57 prologic ahh
12:57 prologic my root menu is looking much nicer now :)
12:58 dotplus prologic: certainly there are enough smart tech people who decry the state of the web and yearn for the attitudes of days of yore where everything was text based and wasn't solely for the benefit of GovCorp that a renaissance is possible.
12:58 prologic hmm
12:58 prologic tbh I only started with Gopher seriously last night
12:58 prologic I've known about the protocol somewhat for years
12:59 prologic but I started out by Internet days with IRC back in '97
12:59 prologic but didn't have the pleasure of finding out or using Gopher at the time
12:59 pdurbin dotplus: you should check out http://indiewebcamp.com
12:59 prologic Netspace ruined that :)
12:59 dotplus netscape?
12:59 prologic dotplus, agreed
13:00 prologic I'm a web developer approaching 2 decade
13:00 prologic and I'll be the first one to say
13:00 prologic the Web is broken
13:00 prologic very very broken
13:00 prologic Gopher just reminds me of what the original internet of the Internet/Web/Gopher really was meant to be
13:01 dotplus pdurbin: I have heard that name occasionally. in theory, I think I remember that it would be an awesoem direction to put some of my effort, but I just don't see to have any spare.
13:01 pdurbin prologic: you could be a 3 decade gopher dev by now
13:01 prologic haha
13:01 prologic I doubt I'd pay my mortage that way :)
13:01 prologic :P
13:01 pdurbin dotplus: you can find me swaying here: http://indiewebcamp.com/File:iwc-cambridge-sway.gif
13:01 prologic there are limits to what a sole man can do :)
13:02 mhayden anyone here doing anything with power8?
13:02 mhayden or as i call it, "The Ocho"
13:02 pdurbin oh, larsks and codex: check this out: https://twitter.com/philipdurbin/status/543218908342546432
13:02 dotplus prologic: not a web developer, but a sysadmin. currently, creating automation to manage various corp clouds.
13:03 prologic yeah
13:03 prologic hmm
13:04 prologic here's an idea
13:04 prologic version my gopher with git/mercurial
13:04 prologic :)
13:04 prologic gives you "last updated" and a "revision history" for freee
13:04 prologic :)
13:05 dotplus pdurbin: previous one in Brighton, UK. yeah that sounds about right, that sounds just the kind of (counter)cultural effort that would thrive there.
13:06 * dotplus misses Brighton in many ways.
13:06 dotplus that was the nearest big town for my teenage years
13:08 dotplus ok, enough nostalgic brain-idling on gopher and brighton. must do stuff before baby wakes.
13:09 dotplus prologic: everything should be version controlled. git is a reasonable choice. no reason why you should stick with rcs just because you're using ancient server protocols:)
13:09 * dotplus gone
13:10 prologic the protocol might be ancient
13:10 prologic actually that's not quite true
13:10 prologic it's had updates in recent years
13:10 prologic Gopher+ for example
13:10 prologic and Gophernicus is one nice server
13:11 prologic last released this year v1.6 I think I'm using
13:11 prologic rock solid
13:11 prologic :)
13:49 prologic So far, Veronica-2 has found 3084856 unique and verified selectors,
13:49 prologic generated by 150 unique servers (counting host and port pairs).
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19:03 pdurbin https://github.com/IQSS/docs.zeligproject.org/blob/master/README.md#zelig-docs-hackers-guide-to-vagrant :)
19:10 tfhartmann ooh
19:11 pdurbin tfhartmann: don't tell me you're into R and latex ;)
19:12 tfhartmann I am when you make it sound all sexy like that
19:12 pdurbin heh
19:12 pdurbin I'm actually pretty happy I got all this working.
19:12 pdurbin took it from a developers laptop and made it run in the cloud
19:13 tfhartmann R has been on my radar a bit more, we have a project called Distributed R
19:13 pdurbin so she doesn't have to do it manually any more
19:13 tfhartmann https://github.com/vertica/DistributedR
19:13 pdurbin huh. didn't know you were on github
19:13 pdurbin tfhartmann: oh hey, check this out: https://twitter.com/philipdurbin/status/543218908342546432 :)
19:46 pdurbin anyway, DistributedR looks neat. I dropped a couple links to people
19:53 tfhartmann just released a new Splunk Puppet module :)
19:53 tfhartmann https://forge.puppetlabs.com/huit/splunk

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