Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #crimsonfu, 2014-12-16

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08:25 prologic no :)
08:25 prologic it shall have a good run again :)
11:55 dotplus actually, I think it's not a bad idea and worth a little consideration; it's simple (not much to break), plaintext (low bandwidth, easy to compress, easy to index/crawl/search)
11:56 dotplus and various other benefits not least of which is that gopherspace is not (currently) infested with spammers, (web)bugs and other malware.
11:57 dotplus I, for one, welcome our returning gopher underlords (with apologies to /.)
12:05 prologic I agree
12:05 prologic that's several of the reasons why I'm so in to it right now
12:06 prologic I'm finding the experience quite satisfying
12:06 prologic the fact that it's no infested with commercialism either is a big plus
12:06 prologic and a lot of websites are just so gawd awful it's not even funny
12:09 dotplus yep, even the ones that are lauded by the tech (in this case the webdev/webdesign) community are often awful in the sense of: difficult to use/read, heavyweight on the browser, frequent changes that disturb UX for no good reason and this last is my pet peeve: using (obscure) icons instead of just having *words*.
12:12 dotplus that last is a huge thing in the last few years. seriously, wtf? If you're using the web, except in a few special circumstances (that are important and should not be forgotten such as pre-literate children and various disabilities), you have to be able to read. That means *words* are an available mechanism for this communication medium.
12:12 prologic *nods*
12:12 prologic I agree
12:12 prologic being a visuall impaired person I find it extermely frustrating
12:12 prologic I believe Gopher (if done right with the right motivated folks) could have a big come back
12:12 prologic for what it was designed for
12:13 dotplus The trend towards icons for everything is very irritating.
12:13 prologic dissemination if information
12:13 prologic tell me about it
12:13 dotplus perhaps. My guess is that we'd need to write various converters which should prbably be dynamic so gateways in effect.
12:13 prologic even more irriating for me :)
12:14 prologic well not so much converters as such
12:14 prologic but what I've been doing is sraping things
12:14 prologic relvent things
12:14 prologic e.g:
12:14 dotplus gateways to content published to other-than-gopher
12:14 prologic gopher://arrow.shortcircuit.net.au/1/comics/dilbert
12:15 prologic I plan to scrape xkcd too at some point
12:15 prologic the script is really simple :)
12:18 dotplus brew search xli
12:18 dotplus No formula found for "xli".
12:19 prologic xli?
12:20 prologic if you're on OS X
12:20 prologic you want elinks
12:20 prologic brew edit elinks
12:20 prologic and throw in --enable-gopher
12:20 prologic then brew install elinks
12:20 prologic or FF + Overbite Add-on
12:27 dotplus in general, scraping is too labour intensive to be viable. For example, say I want to republish to gopherspace the content of some blog, I don't want to go webscrape each article, parse out the html, and store the content. I want to ask the server for a plaintext version of the content of just the article (not all the nav, widgets for login/commenting and whatever else).
12:28 prologic I agree
12:29 prologic this would normally be possible
12:29 prologic except that the Web is inherently broken
12:29 prologic and many (99.99%) of websites do not respect REST
12:29 dotplus the neogopher community would be best served by making contributions to popular blogging and other CMS such that they autoproduce or have HTTP APIs that either a) are gopher publishers/servers or b) can be queried by standard gopher server software in order to republish
12:29 prologic with content negotiation :(
12:29 prologic so the only solution to this that I can think of is to build a service
12:30 prologic that translate shitty websites into real content that can be served up by gopher
12:30 prologic in fact make a proxy that goes the other way around
12:30 prologic web -> gopher
12:32 dotplus not quite sure what you mean
12:33 prologic me neither :)
12:36 dotplus ok. then returning to the previous point, I was using lynx and when I navved to the dilbert link, it errored with "sh: xli not found"
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12:40 prologic ahh
12:40 prologic when I use elinks ot opens images in display
12:40 prologic but that's because I have elinks configured that way
12:41 prologic https://gist.github.com/0ecd92dea875f1c516a1
12:42 dotplus so I rebuilt elinks with gopher support (`brew edit elinks`, add "--enable-gopher", as you said) and then `brew install --build-from-source elinks`. And then elinks asks me what I want to do with the file of type image/gif so I attempt to open with the command "open". Preview opens as expected, but without the image:(
12:49 prologic oh
12:49 prologic open %
12:51 dotplus yeah, "open %" was what I had. further investigation and using your example elinks.conf | sed 's/display/open/g', leaves me with Preview giving a permissions problem. elinks is writing the temp file to /var/tmp as mode 0600, which seems slightly surprising, but should be ok. but preview can't open it. I blame Apple.
12:53 prologic ahh
12:53 prologic yeah might be a bit of fiddling to get that right on OS X
12:53 prologic I blame both Apple and the Homebrew maintainers of elinks :)
12:54 prologic can you open /path/to/file otherwise?
12:54 prologic the temporary file that gets written out?
13:02 prologic cool
13:02 prologic I just configured elinks to automatically download and play audio files from gopherspace
13:03 * pdurbin checks his calendar
13:03 prologic hi pdurbin :)
13:03 prologic having fun are we/ :P
13:04 pdurbin ok ok, I still fire up elinks every once in a while
13:04 prologic lol
13:04 prologic good :)
13:04 prologic it's the best browser :P
14:01 prologic gopher://arrow.shortcircuit.net.au/1/~prologic/phlog
14:01 prologic sweet :)
14:01 * prologic is writing a new phlog (Gopher Logging/Blogging) tool in Python
14:01 prologic :)
14:02 prologic new and list commands work
14:02 prologic now on to full text searching and archival :)
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16:51 semiosis why don't you just use lynx/elinks to browse the web then ;)
16:51 semiosis oh never mind. reading further i see you got there on your own
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20:42 prologic hehe
20:42 prologic I would except that the web is broken :)

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