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10:50 pdurbin mhayden: https://www.twilio.com/blog/2015/07/how-to-protect-your-android-device-from-stagefright-exploit.html
11:49 mhayden pdurbin: thanks for that, but i'm on CM 12.1 -- it's been patched for ~ 2.5 weeks
12:11 pdurbin mhayden: I should have picked your brain about CM over dinner. I assume you were running it then.
12:11 mhayden it's quite good
12:12 mhayden i used to say "i won't buy non-Nexus androids"
12:12 mhayden but now i saw "i won't buy androids that can't run CM"
12:12 mhayden s/saw/say/
12:12 pdurbin gotcha
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14:50 hydrajump Is CM a specific Andriod version?
14:51 hydrajump "Cookie Monster" version?
15:03 pdurbin c is for cyanogen (sp?) that's good enough for me. m is for mod
15:03 pdurbin searchbot: lucky cyanogen mod
15:03 searchbot pdurbin: http://www.cyanogenmod.org/
15:11 mhayden pdurbin: well played
15:35 pdurbin I guess I'm happy enough with the vanilla Android on my Nexus 5.
15:35 pdurbin even if I have to wait longer for security patches
16:00 hydrajump I'm happy with my iPhone :P but was just curious about CM
16:04 larsks Hah, the former NetApp sales rep for Harvard just joined Red Hat :)
16:08 pdurbin larsks: is there a tweet about it?
16:10 larsks pdurbin: nope, just saw some email...
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18:10 pdurbin pic is used for http://www.catb.org/hacker-emblem/ but what's a more modern pic?
18:25 larsks pdurbin: svg?
18:26 pdurbin larsks: by hand?
18:27 larsks Maybe?
18:28 larsks This is not by me, but it's pretty simple: http://chunk.io/f/c6db5da37a7c47d1b83ae702e1840527
18:28 pdurbin I want to create an architecture diagram in vim and then run it through something to make a PNG.
18:28 pdurbin sivoais: and not with that tool you used. I didn't like how the "source" looked for the input file.
18:28 larsks Huh.  Maybe stick with pic?
18:29 larsks I usually use graphviz for graph-type things, but that's not really suitable for architecture diagrams.
18:29 pdurbin larsks: who wants to write xml (svg) by hand. nobody! :)
18:30 larsks Well, it helps when you explain what exactly you're trying to do...
18:30 larsks For architecture diagrams, I usually throw up my hands and use dia, inkscape, or even google draw.
18:31 larsks (Usually saving them as svg, which version controls nicely, and using a makefile to generate any other formats that I need)
18:33 pdurbin yeah, I might have to throw up my hands too
18:34 larsks Just write raw postscript? :)
18:36 pdurbin sounds fun
18:38 pdurbin I've had some luck with http://search.cpan.org/dist/App-Asciio/lib/App/Asciio.pm :)
18:38 larsks In a similar vein, are you familiar with http://asciiflow.com/?
18:39 pdurbin yeah, was just going to link to that. thanks
18:42 pdurbin hmm, maybe http://plantuml.com/imgp/component_004.png
18:43 pdurbin from http://plantuml.com/component.html#Component
18:45 pdurbin we're already using plantuml at https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/tree/master/doc/Architecture
19:09 pdurbin yeah, this might could work: https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/commit/2ed629b
19:10 pdurbin larsks: what do you think?
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19:11 melodie hi
19:12 larsks pdurbin: ++graphviz :)
19:13 melodie are there people interested in exploring a framework which is lightweight and comes with a light lib? I don't know anything about coding (just ideas about it, not much). I have met recently with a lib which also comes with a coding framework : do you know about IUP ? (I compiled it in a vm when it was the 3.4 now is the 3.5 with fixes)
19:13 pdurbin larsks: hmm? you like graphviz instead of plantuml?
19:13 larsks pdurbin: no, I like that you are using dot + plantuml -graphvizdot.
19:13 melodie don't know coding : not that I would not like to learn, but it needs actually more time than I can use, at least yet.
19:13 pdurbin oh oh. sure :)
19:14 pdurbin melodie: hi! what is IUP again?
19:14 larsks is that http://sourceforge.net/projects/iup/ ?
19:14 melodie hi pdurbin, how are you? I'll show the link to you and give an example of a program done with it
19:14 melodie I don't know about sourceforge but I know the website of the project:
19:15 melodie http://www.tecgraf.puc-rio.br/iup
19:15 melodie and here is a program I have been using in Archlinux, built on IUP:
19:15 melodie https://github.com/maoserr/redshiftgui
19:15 melodie and here is what it looks like in the X session:
19:16 melodie http://maoserr.github.io/projects/redshiftgui/
19:17 melodie as I would like to get redshiftgui into Debian and Ubuntu and the others later, I noticed IUP isn't in the Debian repositories, so I started to work on the idea from the bottom : compile IUP, which needed help from upstream, and very nicely the author sent me mail after mail back to help me. he also used my feedback to correct what needed to be fixed.
19:18 melodie finally I got the two parts compiled and ready to work. then I had issues with redshiftgui sources compiling and didn't go further yet because I had other things to take care of more urgently.
19:19 melodie yet it's not forgotten!
19:20 sivoais pdurbin: tikz can work, but has a steep learning curve
19:21 sivoais it is very much a modern pic
19:21 pdurbin larsks: if you're involved with jboss/wildfly (or not) I'd like to pick your brain about how to make javaee apps easy to install and configure. perhaps via yum
19:21 pdurbin sivoais: is that what you were using?
19:21 larsks pdurbin: nah, I'm mostly  a Python person.
19:22 larsks ...although I do quite a bit of packaging work, so I might have opinions on that side of things.
19:23 pdurbin larsks: ok, well, `yum install dataverse` would be cool. I could even try to get it in fedora :)
19:24 pdurbin but I don't know how many javaee apps can be installed via yum
19:24 pdurbin let's call them wildfly apps
19:27 sivoais pdurbin: no, that was xfig. TiKz is made to be written by hand. It's an embedded language for TeX <http://www.texample.net/tikz/>
19:31 sivoais melodie: I had seen IUP before. Someone had put together Perl bindings for it. Looks neat.
19:37 pdurbin sivoais: ok but hmm, I don't like the markup at http://www.texample.net/tikz/examples/ so much. plantuml is much easier on the eyes: https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/blob/2ed629b6aa8ca1f3a312a3f786021b6e5e003ff4/doc/Architecture/components.uml
19:40 melodie sivoais do you think it's as light as the project website says?
19:41 melodie larsks what do you package? for Fedora?
19:45 sivoais melodie: it seems very lightweight, but I have not tried coding with it. I'm building it now.
19:45 sivoais It's certainly much more lightweight than Gtk+ or Qt.
19:47 melodie sivoais while you do build, do you think later you could teach be a few things about how to use it? (it says it's easy to use for coding, but I have never coded, just tried to follow a few lessons on the web, fast caught back by the daily needs and other more immediate projects)
19:48 melodie just a question... you can say "no, I don't have teaching skills!" XD
19:48 melodie (for instance)
19:51 melodie ?
19:51 melodie sivoais how is the build going? Does it work for you?
19:52 sivoais hmm, it seems to have had an error... let me take a look
19:53 sivoais ah, I see. This library just wraps around the native libraries
19:53 sivoais so on Linux, it uses Gtk+
19:53 sivoais but I don't have the headers for that installed
19:57 sivoais melodie: let me get back to you in a few hours. I have to step away for a while. In the meantime, maybe you can make a list of what you want to use coding for. That can help narrow the focus. :-)
19:58 melodie sivoais it's 22pm here, (France, South) if I'm not here anymore I'll be back at some time in the future days
19:59 melodie sivoais if you need help with the build, please take note, the dev upstream is very helpful and responds very fast
19:59 sivoais ah, well. Then I'll catch you later. I'm in the south of the USA
20:00 sivoais thanks, I'll see how it turns out. I just installed the Gtk+ headers
20:01 melodie sivoais ok south US, good. I can visit you some day? :D
20:02 melodie you have horses around to ride, don't you? :D
20:02 sivoais hahah, not personally! But there are lots of rodeos!
20:02 melodie (it's late here, excuse my joyfullness)
20:03 melodie I don't do rodeo, I'd kill myself. just riding for walks with quarter horses or apaloosa would be nice :)
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20:17 Azgarech Hello everyone
20:18 Azgarech melodie invite me to come over here
20:18 melodie hi Azgarech
20:18 melodie Azgarech works with the Viperr team : Fedora with Openbox!
20:18 Azgarech apparently there is a bunch of adminsys who script around here. quite my taste
20:19 melodie Azgarech who code
20:19 melodie http://crimsonfu.github.io/
20:23 Azgarech my apologies
20:26 Azgarech http://viperr.org the website of our project
20:57 pdurbin Azgarech: welcome!
20:57 pdurbin Azgarech: what part of Viperr do you work on?
20:58 Azgarech Mostly the rpms
20:58 Azgarech but also scripting and testing
20:58 Azgarech we are two behind the project so a lot of work have to be done and shared
20:59 pdurbin cool. I ran Fedora for years
20:59 pdurbin mhayden runs it. others here maybe. larsks perhaps
21:00 Azgarech I really like Fedora but I don't need all stuff of Gnome-Shell
21:00 Azgarech I like it K.I.S.S
21:00 melodie pdurbin we might team up around the Openbox respective parts of our projects
21:00 Azgarech I will love it
21:01 mhayden i use gnome 3 but i only have chrome, terminals, thunderbird open
21:01 Azgarech I really think we can create a big move around Openbox environment
21:01 pdurbin yeah, I'm not sure about gnome 3
21:02 melodie Azgarech have you seen the wiki page I put up around Openbox branded distros? It's in French now, but slystone might translate it to the English side of the wiki soon
21:02 * larsks admits to a Fedora habit.
21:02 Azgarech can you give me the link to this page
21:02 Azgarech I am not sure to have seen it
21:03 melodie yes of course, http://wiki.linuxvillage.org/doku.php?id=fr:configuration:gestionnaire_de_fenetres
21:04 melodie hopefully we will soon have it also in English, linked from here: http://wiki.linuxvillage.org/doku.php?id=en:start
21:05 Azgarech I may work on it if you want
21:05 pdurbin melodie: openbox is what you use in bento?
21:05 Azgarech scuse my French, but my English is not that bat
21:06 pdurbin yeah, openbox in bento: https://gitlab.com/groups/bento-openbox
21:06 melodie pdurbin yes sir!
21:06 pdurbin I guess I'm waiting for Fedora and Ubuntu to improve their default GUIs. Not that I'm in a huge hurry.
21:07 melodie pdurbin here is a description of the last uploaded:
21:07 melodie http://linuxvillage.org/en/2015/07/bento-openbox-trusty-soon-final/
21:07 melodie and I'm about to upload the final, right now
21:08 Azgarech melodie can you give me the text who need to be translated ? I way give some time on it and some English's natives will be able to correct it after
21:08 Azgarech http://www.estcequonmetenprodaujourdhui.info/
21:08 pdurbin Should Fedora and Ubuntu switch to Openbox as their default GUI?
21:09 mhayden that'd be a change ;)
21:09 Azgarech melodie this shouldn't be put in production
21:09 Azgarech not yet
21:09 Azgarech never on Friday
21:09 pdurbin mhayden: have you tried Openbox? I haven't.
21:09 Azgarech pdurbin: I love the idea that yoou expose here but it may never happen
21:09 mhayden i have -- and fluxbox
21:10 Azgarech people need interface who thinks for them not the opposite
21:10 melodie I have been told fluxbox and openbox have the same need in resource : one as light as the other
21:11 melodie Azgarech Bento Openbox brings comprehensive UI to their desktops
21:11 melodie I have installed it to a bunch of end users, and they have been fine with it ever after
21:12 melodie the only questions they need to ask me once a while is related to the change between Windows and GNU/Linux, nothing very difficult to adress (it is in the range of GNU/Linux, or it isn't, depending on the related device, such as some cheap Tomtom GPS for instance)
21:13 Azgarech We try to keep VIperr for advanced user
21:13 Azgarech behind only two behind he project is not helping
21:13 Azgarech we don't want to spend our time to help newbies
21:14 Azgarech not that we don't like it ( penthium2 is a linux teacher)
21:14 Azgarech but we just don't have time for it
21:14 melodie I aim the people who don't want to learn computing but want to use it, the ones who have machines suffering with a Windows OS, and the advanced users who want to have a reliable system to do stuff, and see later for customization.
21:15 melodie I use it with services I make the users pay for as well.
21:20 Azgarech mhayden pdurbin what are your inux attractons?
21:20 Azgarech s/attractons/attractions/g
21:24 pdurbin Azgarech: attractions? Why do I use Linux? Because I love open source.
21:25 Azgarech :)
21:25 Azgarech fair enough
21:26 melodie pdurbin and you are also an infinite source of leads in the matter, I must say, I would bring people here just for that reason
21:28 pdurbin heh
21:32 melodie pdurbin ie: Azgarech does Fedora packages, but he needs to get help to improve his packaging, this is one of the reasons why I invited him here. I think he could find good people to help him with his learning curve?
21:43 Azgarech I just started since the viperr6 version
21:43 Azgarech we were using stupid tools for it  before
21:43 Azgarech I wanted to make it more clean and right
21:44 Azgarech now I try to make it Fedora friendly package
21:44 pdurbin melodie: sorry. cooking dinner
21:44 Azgarech but it's sometimes hard to keep the requirements with patch and so .
21:44 Azgarech cooking is good
21:45 melodie pdurbin have a nice meal! "bon appetite"
21:45 Azgarech :)
22:04 pdurbin Azgarech: sure, I've written a few .spec files for RPMs. others here have too, I'm sure
22:13 Azgarech http://labo.azgarech.org:8080/azgarech/RPM-V7/tree/master/SPECS
22:13 Azgarech mine
22:14 Azgarech I am going to perfect it in a few weeks
22:15 melodie Azgarech Unit193 has tought me the secret of a real Openbox session !!
22:15 melodie (while looking at your spec files, thinking… )
22:15 Azgarech so tought me it
22:15 melodie I can't yet, it needs an updated xsettingsd package
22:15 Azgarech I have to make it more similar one an other
22:16 Azgarech I try a few way to make it
22:16 melodie so you can start a new spec file for xsettingsd perhaps?
22:16 Azgarech now I have to make it right for echa of them
22:16 melodie believe me on word, his method is perfect, clean and lean.
22:16 Azgarech if you give me the source and how to compile it of course
22:16 melodie Azgarech you might want to check if there is a xsettingsd package in Fedora
22:17 melodie here is the patch https://github.com/derat/xsettingsd/commit/b4999f5e9e99224caf97d09f25ee731774ecd7be
22:17 Azgarech xsettingsd.x86_64 : Provides settings to X11 clients via the XSETTINGS specification
22:17 Azgarech there is
22:18 melodie the patch is very recent
22:18 melodie and is the main piece allowing to create the real session (while using a light tool)
22:19 Azgarech I may have a look at it on sunday
22:19 melodie you will get that by reading the text at the top of the page
22:19 Azgarech my Girlfriend start to look at me like I should stop with computer or she gonna me it fly
22:19 melodie I have redone Unit's packages with the "dpkg-repack" tool provided in his distro
22:20 melodie aha
22:20 melodie sure, go take time with your lady. that's normal.
22:21 Azgarech good night/afternoon/morning all ( still don"t know your locations)
22:22 melodie :)
22:22 melodie pdurbin is in Boston!
22:22 Azgarech .time boston
22:23 Azgarech arf my bot is not here, I am stupid
22:23 melodie get out! your lady waits! a shame really! :D
22:23 Azgarech see you all
22:23 Azgarech xsettingsd.x86_64 : Provides settings to X11 clients via the XSETTINGS specification
22:24 melodie leaving too, good night/evening
22:33 pdurbin Azgarech: you can send your bot in here if it isn't annoying :)
22:35 pdurbin we only have two bots in here: ilbot3 and searchbot
22:35 pdurbin I don't think JoeJulian counts.
22:43 JoeJulian :P

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