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IRC log for #crimsonfu, 2016-03-15

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17:50 pdurbin oh. not just me: https://status.hipchat.com
18:16 dotplus nope, hipchat is definitely sucking, and this is why we should run our own messaging.
18:19 dotplus we (individuals or individual orgs) might not be as good at running highly reliable messaging systems on a massive scale as those companies that do it and nothing else. But we don't need to be. We only need to be able to run reliable a highly reliable messaging system at *our* scale, which is orders of magnitude smaller than say, hipchat's.
18:20 dotplus And therefore comes much cheaper/more easily. It's so different, it's not even the same problem and therefore not a sensible comparison.
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18:22 dotplus it's the same argument as 'run your own email?' vs pay-for-gmail that "we" had years ago. Although in some ways, it's rather harder to run email. And the answer is the same: "sometimes it makes sense to run your own, know thyself"
18:29 pdurbin I used to run email. Never again.
18:40 dotplus on what kind of a scale? I still run it for half a dozen accounts. I've not spent more than ~5hours/per year on it for the last 5 years or more. In the past, I've run mail for various different user-community types (~2500 .edu users), (~150 users, nontechie, loads of medium volume mailman lists), (~25 user "startup", very vanilla) of which only the last would I really be willing to do again.
18:51 pdurbin for https://www.berklee.edu ... I forget how many accounts. a thousand or two, I guess
19:19 bear the deciding factor for me is how much overhead is expected to bring new users into/outof the messaging tool
19:19 dotplus overhead?
19:20 dotplus marginal cost (in effort/time) to manage useradd/churn?
19:21 bear just the "here is how you install and connect" and other adminish functions
19:21 bear if i'm honest - it has to be > 50 or so folks when I start to notice :)
19:22 bear but having a busy $dayjob makes it harder to find that time any more
19:22 bene the kids these days love their gmail
19:23 bene what you get for $50/user/year from google is pretty hard to beat
19:24 bear yea, gmail, fastmail and pobox are my goto links for email services
19:25 dotplus one of my prior mail setups (not mentioned above), the setup material was "smtp: <hostname>:587, starttls, imaps: <hostnmae>:993, your username is foo, your initial password was sent, gpg-encrypted with the key you provided to the address you provided"
19:26 dotplus that was an easy one
19:27 bear that's kinda how I do IRC and XMPP for folks also
19:27 bear with a short list of FAQs + clients per OS
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