Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #crimsonfu, 2018-01-11

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15:59 pdurbin In the new Google Calendar you can navigate around with vi commands.
16:26 pdurbin Does anyone know about Wordpress allowing or disallowing Javascript in plugins? Please see https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/4357
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18:24 bear that odd moment when you have something you want to share widely and want the feedback that twitter followers can give but it's more than 120ish characters can manage
18:25 bear and you also don't want it spreading out past your immediate circles
18:41 pdurbin yeah, I feel that a lot
18:41 pdurbin bear: I'm sure you have more followers on Twitter than nicks in this channel but share away if you're so inclined :)
18:42 bear most of the people following me are from the companies I've worked at to be honest :/
18:43 bear it's a thought I had about rate of change in tech and society and how that is causing more chaos at the edges of what would normally be isolated society groups: tech, women, poc, generations
18:43 bear with the rate of change increasing and the use of social media now wide spread
18:44 bear how each generation handles shame and norms is causing dissonance because now groupings are so intermingled - whether on purpose or because it's easier to peer into other groups now
18:45 bear for example, when I was younger it was "normal" to flirt in overt ways, i've now come around to why that isn't accepted now - but the way you changed your thoughts on things that way is soooo different now than then
18:46 bear so the chaos that change events cause when culture changes is now happening much faster and broader
18:46 bear that's it - just wanted to say that out loud
18:49 bear (and I chose my example very much on purpose - it's something that I've had to deal with as an older person who interacts with a lot younger crowd)
18:50 bear heck, even the way you point things out has changed - back then you would talk to someone in private and smack them on the head
18:51 bear now often folks are dragged thru a public review that often get's piled on upon by those with other agendas
18:51 bear and I can't help but think that isn't helping those at the edge from being able to reach out for help or advice
18:52 bear sheesh - I must have had this bottled up for a while - thanks for letting me get those thoughts out
18:52 pdurbin I thought you were talking about smart phones but it does't more like you're talking about the internet.
18:52 bear smart phones is one of those change events that is making the internet more wide spread
18:52 bear people now don't even realize that social media runs over the internet - it's omnipresent
18:53 bear it's like how cable tv is now just TV
18:53 bear because the younger generation consume their TV over broadcast, cable *and* internet
18:55 bear occasionally I get these thoughts that bubble up in my brain - they cross tech, social, philosophy boundaries
18:55 bear but since I'm not a college person, my ability to talk about them in social and philosophical ways is limited
18:56 bear so I tend to just let them drift off
19:11 pdurbin I'm picking up what you're putting down.
20:16 bear cool, I may work this into a rare blog post
20:17 pdurbin do it
23:04 pdurbin It sounds like you're at peace with the change you've had to make with regard to flirting, that it's a positive change, that it was faster to realign with what other groups want more quickly thanks to social media and whatnot.
23:04 pdurbin bear: I'm not sure what you mean by "generations"
23:05 pdurbin Oh, also, I said share away but I didn't remind you that this channel is logged. You said something about it not spreading out past your immediate circles.
23:06 pdurbin With regard to public shaming, I hear there's a book on this topic but I don't know the title.
23:07 pdurbin I guess you said "public review" and "how each generation handles shame" so maybe I'm mixing these together in my head.
23:08 pdurbin But you're also making a point about people at the edge. You seem to be saying that they are worse off because of all this technological change.
23:11 bear I'm aware the channel is logged, but I feel that the people who read the logs here are able to give thoughtful comments - I'm more worried about being SJW'd on twitter
23:12 bear generations as in how I would react and handle someone who does or says something that needs correcting verse how one of my team members would - my 54yr old self handles things much differently than his 22yr old self does
23:13 bear also, when I was stumbling thru some of these "ok, your in the adult world now and your thoughts and actions will count" items is much different than what people go thru now - their actions and words are accessible to many more people than my actions and words at a young age ever were
23:17 pdurbin I certainly agree that stumbling is more on the record these days, logged forever in Facebook or whatever. It's suboptimal.
23:19 bear i'm curious how this new generation handles shame and the attitude adjustments that are from shame or it's equivilents
23:24 pdurbin I could ask my 11 year old. But you seem to be talking about 22 year olds.
23:28 bear ha - for me anyone younger than 24 I tend to mentally lump into the same generation: "young!"
23:28 bear 11 year olds are an interesting data point - they have experienced only this aspect of social interaction that is both local and global in context
23:29 pdurbin I don't quite follow. But shame is shame, right? What are we trying to unpack here?
23:29 bear I saw a report that asked kids at a middle school how they handle social media
23:30 bear shame isn't shame tho - each generation has different levels of behaviour that they would consider needing to be shamed
23:31 bear for example - in my home town in West Virginia - a 5th grade boy kisses a girl and she doesn't like it - the teacher tells him to stop and that's it
23:31 bear same thing happens in Philadelphia and it made the news
23:32 bear but yea, I need to unpack my own thoughts and figure out what i'm asking (or not asking)
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