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kowey: starting a benchmark now |
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merehap |
hey, I'm having a problem with darcs push: |
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merehap |
darcs failed: Couldn't write `0000003931-950067a323f7a924e38a938bc32623a4ccbc40c9ea7f917c06b560008ab6b098' |
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merehap |
in subdir inventories to sources: |
| 08:11 |
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merehap |
there a few google results for it, but nothing helpful that I could see |
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merehap |
I'm trying to push my repo to patch-tag |
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twb |
merehap: is it a single-user repo? |
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twb |
That is, has anyone else ever pushed to it? |
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merehap |
sorry about that |
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twb |
19:12 <twb> merehap: is it a single-user repo? |
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twb |
19:12 <twb> That is, has anyone else ever pushed to it? |
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merehap |
no, it has not been pushed before, I am the only user |
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twb |
I assume you're pushing via ssh. |
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merehap |
correct |
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twb |
If you just ssh in, do you get a shell? |
| 08:14 |
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merehap |
I've tried reuploading the key to patch-tag a few times |
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merehap |
what command are you suggesting? |
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twb |
Probably "ssh patch-tag.com" |
| 08:15 |
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merehap |
yes, that was successful |
| 08:15 |
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merehap |
I got the ubuntu prompt for the patch-tag server |
| 08:16 |
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merehap |
ssh merehap patch-tag.com |
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twb |
What is "the ubuntu prompt" |
| 08:18 |
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merehap |
I've attempted repairing my repository which succeeds (this apparently fixed the problem for gwern as per google search results) |
| 08:19 |
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merehap |
Linux patch-tag.com 2.6.18.8-linode22 #1 SMP Tue Nov 10 16:12:12 UTC 2009 i686 |
| 08:19 |
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merehap |
The programs included with the Ubuntu system are free software; |
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merehap |
the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the |
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merehap |
individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright. |
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merehap |
Ubuntu comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by |
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merehap |
applicable law. |
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merehap |
sh-3.2$ |
| 08:20 |
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merehap |
their ssh welcome message, I guess I should say |
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twb |
merehap: that's a shell. |
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twb |
I guess you aren't familiar with unix at the command line? |
| 08:21 |
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merehap |
I'm learning, I've used ssh before but clearly I don't know the terminology :) |
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twb |
We should probably remind the patch-tag.com developers to fix their /etc/issue and /etc/motd. |
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twb |
merehap: do you know how to inspect files from the command line? |
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merehap |
yes |
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merehap |
I have some ability with vim |
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twb |
merehap: you basically want to check that the ownership and permissions for your repo are sane |
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merehap |
ok |
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twb |
Particularly that _darcs/patches is writable and executable by your user |
| 08:23 |
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merehap |
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 25 03:29 patches |
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merehap |
I'm root on the machine and created the repo |
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merehap |
I'm guessing that I have the necessary permissions, judging my the output of ls -l there |
| 08:25 |
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twb |
You're root on patch-tag.com?! |
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merehap |
no, on my local machine :) |
| 08:25 |
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merehap |
I don't think they are that naive :) |
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twb |
The failure is about creating files on the destination |
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twb |
We need to know about the permissions on the destination |
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merehap |
all of the files in that location have the following permission set: |
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merehap |
-rw-r--r-- 2 root root 7712 Jan 25 03:21 0000020004-37874cda076bd6acd3e38b5eb5ca4d15569e711d6ee1ebbb2c5382e52ed878ee |
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merehap |
oh |
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merehap |
just a second |
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merehap |
Public Only project members; uploads disabled |
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merehap |
I may have been led astray as to what "uploads disabled" meant... |
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twb |
I dunno what you're citing there, but I meant you should ssh into patch-tag.com and inspect your repo using the CLI |
| 08:29 |
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merehap |
guess I may be an ssh noob, as apparently ls isn't enabled on the target machine |
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merehap |
what I displayed above was taken from their website, let me see if there is something there I can fix |
| 08:31 |
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twb |
That's probably because your shell is locked down |
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twb |
Which was what I really meant when I asked 19:13 <twb> If you just ssh in, do you get a shell? |
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twb |
You could try using an SFTP client to inspect it. The sftp module of ssh is probably still enabled. |
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merehap |
help displays a considerable number of commands, would I see these if it were locked down? |
| 08:34 |
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twb |
They're part of the shell |
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merehap |
for example, it seems cd works |
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twb |
SFTP is going to be the least painful way to check, I think |
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merehap |
a shell that doesn't have ls but does have cd? very odd |
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merehap |
ok, I'll check it out |
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twb |
cd MUST be implemented inside the shell. ls is an external program |
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merehap |
ah, well thanks for the unix 101, I guess that's not what you were hoping to teach by hanging out in this channel :) |
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twb |
Whatever. |
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twb |
If you really want Unix 101, you can google for "RUTE", which is an online textbook on the subject |
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merehap |
well I've been learning gradually, though I didn't expect to learn this to get darcs working with patch-tag |
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merehap |
anyways, thanks for your help |
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twb |
I strongly suspect what you're seeing is a wacky edge case that patch-tag hasn't coded for properly/yet. |
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twb |
Darcs doesn't (yet) make things easy for security-conscious hosting providers. |
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morning |
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gh_ |
hi |
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mornfall |
ZuriHac booked. |
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kowey |
yay! |
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kowey |
please add yourself to http://www.haskell.org/haskell[…]ZuriHac/Attendees |
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kowey |
I've been tacking (Darcs) on to people's affiliations to help tibbe out |
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kowey |
I'm assuming we're allowed to claim gal_bolle as one of our own? :-) |
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kowey |
oh, and we've passed the $1000 mark in our fundraising - announcement to follow |
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mornfall |
I have noticed. :) (due to identi.ca) |
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darcswikibot |
26 Jan 11:31 - add myself to travel plans (mornfall) |
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twb |
Is "tibbe" a yiddish loanword or something? |
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twb |
Oh, I see, tibbe is someone's name. |
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twb |
I was reading it like "to help [us] divvy up the spoils" |
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kowey |
yeah, Johan Tibell |
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gal_bolle |
kowey: yes, i'm one of yours |
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gal_bolle |
(hence one of ours) |
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OK, I've added you (and Petr) to the list |
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kowey |
informal benchmark of darcs HEAD on darcs vs darcs with optimised pristine: http://hpaste.org/fastcgi/hpas[…]w?id=16582#a16582 |
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mornfall |
Interesting. |
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kowey |
running the GHC one before I run off to a meeting |
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kowey |
we don't know if meaningful due to lack of stats-fu, but I guess the memory numbers don't lie |
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twb |
kowey: those stats aren't meaningful without other numbers to compare them to |
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twb |
(Since the benchmark will be hardware-dependent.) |
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kowey |
yeah |
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kowey |
I was going for some sort of informal feasability study on generating benchmarks for optimize --pristine |
| 15:24 |
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kowey |
but I think that's probably out of our league, since we're still struggling with the basics |
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kowey |
anyway I just wanted to run one and see what happened |
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darcswikibot |
26 Jan 15:32 - jot down some more stuff to work on during the sprint (kowey) |
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kowey |
and here are those meaningless GHC numbers: http://hpaste.org/fastcgi/hpas[…]w?id=16582#a16586 |
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lispy |
kowey: any ideas why my benchmark is not complete? |
| 15:43 |
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lispy |
kowey: also, what is the relationship between 2.3.98.1 and 2.4b1? I think it's very confusing to refer to one version of darcs with two different version #s. |
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kowey |
lispy: ah! you weren't around for the design of that convention |
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kowey |
lispy: our beta numbering scheme uses .97.x for alphas, .98.x for beta and .99.x for release candidates (thx, mornfall) |
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kowey |
this is so that we can give sensible numbers to darcs-beta |
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kowey |
so the confusing thing is that darcs 2.3.98.2 would be darcs 2.4 beta 2 |
| 15:45 |
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kowey |
because you want darcs beta to be < darcs |
| 15:46 |
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kowey |
perhaps a less confusing way would be if we switched to the odd/even scheme for the next release |
| 15:47 |
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kowey |
so that darcs 2.5.0.1 would be alpha 1 for darcs 2.6, and so on... |
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lispy |
My only complaint is the duplicity of version numbers |
| 15:47 |
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lispy |
If we could fix that, I'd probably be okay with it |
| 15:48 |
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lispy |
kowey: Different topic: Has anyone investigated using cabal to insert version numbers of dependencies in --version output? so that we could say, "Run darcs --version and tell us which version of hashed-storage you're using." |
| 15:50 |
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lispy |
If it's easy to get those version #s into the --version output then it could be really handy |
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lispy |
If it's difficult, then I say lets not worry about it yet |
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mornfall |
lispy: You haven't been keeping up. Try --exact-version on darcs HEAD. |
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lispy |
mornfall: it will be a while before I can test that. So it's implemented? |
| 15:53 |
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mornfall |
lispy: http://pastebin.ca/1766638 -- if that's what you mean, yes |
| 15:53 |
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lispy |
mornfall: cool, that's really nice |
| 15:53 |
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lispy |
I never think to use --exact-version I guess |
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kowey |
and once we've got people's flags down, future bug reports will be a lot easier to deal with |
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lispy |
kowey: flags? as in the options to 'cabal configure'? |
| 15:54 |
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kowey |
yeah |
| 15:55 |
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kowey |
for example, it would be nice if darcs --exact-version could tell us if the user had -fcurl-pipelining or not |
| 15:56 |
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kowey |
here's the bug: http://bugs.darcs.net/issue849 |
| 15:56 |
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mornfall |
kowey: That's harder, since I haven't figured a way to extract that data. |
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mornfall |
From Cabal that is. |
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mornfall |
Maybe it's doable in 1.8, haven't tried yet. |
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kowey |
we could bug dcoutts about it, perhaps when both of us have free moments |
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kowey |
both meaning him and some general subset of darcs folks |
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kowey |
gh_ : perhaps a nice feature for you to work on during the sprint is that gzRead thingy you were asking for |
| 15:59 |
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kowey |
gh_: except I no longer remember what that was, only I remember you telling me about it over lunch in September and me replying that there was a ProbablyEasy bug for it :-) |
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darcswikibot |
26 Jan 16:02 - copy over probablyeasy priorities from 2009-11 sprint (kowey) |
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gh_ |
ah yes, to apply a gzipped patch |
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lispy |
We use old-time still. I wonder if that package is in risk of being deprecated |
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kowey |
@tell tux_rocker perhaps we should do the odd/even thing next release (darcs 2.5.1.x as darcs 2.6 alpha, 2.5.2 as beta; 2.5.99.x as rc) - see http://irclog.perlgeek.de/darc[…]0-01-26#i_1929983 |
| 16:09 |
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lambdabot |
Consider it noted. |
| 16:10 |
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kowey |
gh_: here's the bug number if you're interested - http://bugs.darcs.net/issue1427 |
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kowey |
maybe I'll work a bit on plugins, myself |
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gh_ |
"optimize --upgrade should do optimize - http://bugs.darcs.net/issue1643" are you sure it is still not in HEAD ? |
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darcswikibot |
26 Jan 16:21 - more stuff to do (especially the new darcs annotate output) (kowey) |
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kowey |
oh! darcs tells me that Christian Berrer fixed it during the sprint |
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gh_ |
hehe |
| 16:24 |
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gh_ |
it's in the announcement of the 2.4 betas too... |
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kowey |
that's a good one to have in 2.4 too, since we're asking people to run darcs optimize --upgrade |
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darcswikibot |
26 Jan 16:25 - issue1643 already fixed, thanks Christian B! (kowey) |
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gh_ |
yup |
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darcswikibot |
26 Jan 16:45 - undarcs precision (Guillaume Hoffmann) |
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sm |
morning all |
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sm |
gh_, how do you edit the wiki.. over the web ? |
| 17:38 |
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kowey |
ah mornfall: I've worked out the reason I don't use apply --test on the staging repo, I think |
| 17:39 |
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kowey |
oh no, wait... no I haven't quite... nevermind |
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lispy |
kowey: re: stage1 benchmarking, I'm skeptical that my problem was just slow benchmarks. But, we'll see when I get back home. |
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mornfall |
kowey: No luck with the internal-library patch yet? |
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kowey |
internal-library patch? |
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mornfall |
cabal 1.8 |
| 18:00 |
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kowey |
oh, I thought I replied to that |
| 18:00 |
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mornfall |
Hm. Have you? |
| 18:00 |
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kowey |
ah, no I haven't |
| 18:01 |
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kowey |
I must have thought the better of it, because mine was just a bureaucratic "ok, it looks like the best thing to do is just wait for cabal-install to support this" |
| 18:03 |
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kowey |
superficially: isn't there a lot of unrelated stuff in that patch? |
| 18:04 |
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mornfall |
Well, not really. But it needs sorting out. |
| 18:05 |
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mornfall |
(The Test bit is because GHC can't seem to handle overlapping instances across package boundaries... dunno why.) |
| 18:05 |
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* sm |
guesses no-one is pushing to the wiki, unless they log in as gitit, due to file permissions |
| 18:05 |
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mornfall |
The tools/ bit is because otherwise the internal library is never used. |
| 18:05 |
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* sm |
thinks setting it group-writable and -sticky and adding users to the gitit group would be a good way to go |
| 18:06 |
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kowey |
sm: the procedure is to push as gitit@ |
| 18:06 |
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kowey |
sm: almost nobody has an account on darcs.net |
| 18:06 |
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sm |
I see |
| 18:07 |
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kowey |
what's the MyShow stuff for? |
| 18:07 |
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sm |
oh, it still picks up my name, from the patch. Excellent |
| 18:08 |
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sm |
gh_: nice cleanup on Related Software page |
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darcswikibot |
26 Jan 18:03 - small clarification (Simon Michael) |
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gh_ |
sm, i push to the wiki as kowey said |
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darcswikibot |
26 Jan 20:34 - Fixed lack of 'darcs' in 'cabal install darcs'. (robinbb) |
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lispy |
BTW, the system that postgres uses for documentation has a very nice presentation. See here: http://www.postgresql.org/docs[…]ons-sequence.html |
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lispy |
It makes me wish our manual looked that nice, featured search, and allowed user comments. |
