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kowey |
morning |
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* exlevan |
waves |
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kowey |
exlevan: you may want to think about sending what you have now so that mornfall has a chance to look at it |
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kowey |
(whilst you continue on with the hacking/debugging that you may want to do) |
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sxs |
i just watched a youtube about camp |
| 14:34 |
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sxs |
is camp the new darcs? |
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gh_ |
it is a parallel project, aimed at developing a correct patch theory |
| 14:36 |
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sxs |
and when its ready for use darcs will be substituded by camp? |
| 14:36 |
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gh_ |
but it also has nice ideas about "concrete stuff" also (repository versionning for instance) |
| 14:36 |
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gh_ |
basically it is what darcs 3 will be |
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gh_ |
i think the plan is to replace darcs' core by camp's |
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sxs |
what IDEs are you using for haskell? |
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sxs |
i wanna look the src |
| 14:37 |
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Igloo |
I wouldn't worry about that happening in the near future, though |
| 14:37 |
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gh_ |
so no full substitution, because OTOH darcs has all that is needed for command line arguments parsing, file system crawling, etc. |
| 14:38 |
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* Igloo |
uses vim |
| 14:38 |
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gh_ |
sxs, vim and ghci |
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sxs |
*rofl* i guessed that |
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sxs |
i'm a nano user :P |
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gh_ |
i have see leksah was nice but cabal-install failed me so i can't test it |
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gh_ |
sxs, never tried joe? |
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sxs |
uhhh, i guess i tried it long time ago. windows ide? |
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sxs |
http://joe-editor.sourceforge.net/ < this? |
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gh_ |
yes, this one |
| 14:40 |
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sxs |
i like netbeans. maybe theres a plugin for haskell |
| 14:40 |
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gh_ |
it's just that it seems almost as simple as nano but has vim and emacs mode if you want to try |
| 14:41 |
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gh_ |
I don't think so |
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sxs |
http://forums.netbeans.org/topic7641.html someone tried to do so |
| 14:41 |
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gh_ |
you can also try geany, i've see a ddc programmer blog about it, it's close to gedit |
| 14:41 |
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sxs |
but hasekll is not that wide spread language |
| 14:42 |
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gh_ |
http://www.mega-nerd.com/erikd[…]/Geany/index.html |
| 14:42 |
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gh_ |
(has a haskell color mode) |
| 14:42 |
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gh_ |
there is a eclipsefp plugin that is supposed to handle haskell, but I don't know if it is up to date now |
| 14:43 |
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sxs |
yeah, nicer. i'm a klickiklicki developer :) |
| 14:44 |
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kowey |
I wonder if Cream http://cream.sourceforge.net/ and Haskellmode would play nice together http://projects.haskell.org/haskellmode-vim/ |
| 14:44 |
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kowey |
Cream is a configuration for vim for klickiklicki developers |
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gh_ |
cream looks interesting |
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sxs |
http://osum.sun.com/profiles/b[…]s-haskell-support |
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gh_ |
cream really hides vim :) there seems to be nothing in common |
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kowey |
one good thing is that the author is dedicated to keeping it as a config and not a fork |
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gh_ |
that's good |
| 14:49 |
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gh_ |
sxs, I suspect haskell projects in general are more succint than java programs, and maybe a full fledged IDE like netbeans is just not required |
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gh_ |
sxs, and so any combination of ghci + darcs + text editor should be fine, granted you know how to use them |
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gh_ |
but maybe I'm just too lazy to learn netbeans/eclipse/emacs |
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sxs |
the big thing is: im used to netbeans for some years now. so i need not to learn a new tool |
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sxs |
geany and its deps are stil compiuling. while that i test that nb plugin |
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gh_ |
gentoo user? |
| 14:52 |
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sxs |
mac |
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gh_ |
ok |
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gh_ |
kowey, we still don't know why darcs is slower under mac? |
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sxs |
is it? |
| 14:53 |
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kowey |
gh_: nope, but we have darcs get http://code.haskell.org/~kowey/cutdown-darcs to play with |
| 14:53 |
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kowey |
I've been slowly trying to purge things from it, like patch application |
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gh_ |
sxs, we are looking for people with macs to investigate weird slowness of darcs |
| 14:53 |
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sxs |
maybe i can help you |
| 14:53 |
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kowey |
it'd be good if somebody could test that locally getting a hashed GHC repo with cutdown-darcs is still slower than on Linux |
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kowey |
the goal is to one day have like a 100 line haskell script we can give to haskell-cafe and say "uh, why is this slow?" |
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sxs |
ok. i understand 20 % of what you said. i never coded haskell. |
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kowey |
sxs: http://lists.osuosl.org/piperm[…]ugust/024675.html |
| 14:55 |
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kowey |
sxs: oh I didn't use much Haskell in that; I was just taking the darcs source code and simplifying it so that we have a minimal test case for Darcs being slow |
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kowey |
without all the Darcs stuff in it |
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sxs |
GHC is the haskell compiler, right? |
| 14:56 |
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kowey |
the hope is that by doing this, we can involve more people from the Haskell community, show them a simplified version of our problem |
| 14:56 |
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kowey |
yeah, so we have a test repository which coincidentally happens to the source code for GHC |
| 14:57 |
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kowey |
"locally getting" just means doing a darcs get but from a local copy (because I removed the network code) |
| 14:57 |
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kowey |
and "hashed" is just saying that the repo needs to be in hashed format (because I removed support for non-hashed repos) |
| 14:57 |
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kowey |
but nowadays if you darcs get http://darcs.haskell.org/ghc, you'll get a hashed repo |
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sxs |
hashed repo is a feature of darcs 2? |
| 14:58 |
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sxs |
i think i read s.th. bout that |
| 14:58 |
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kowey |
that's right, http://wiki.darcs.net/RepositoryFormats |
| 15:00 |
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sxs |
i think thats a good chance for me to test the new instruments tools from Apple |
| 15:00 |
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kowey |
that's actually something we were hoping somebody would do (in that mailing list thread) |
| 15:00 |
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sxs |
where are (most of) you guys from? Europe or USA? I ask because the time shift |
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kowey |
5/6 of active darcs developers are in Europe |
| 15:01 |
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kowey |
http://wiki.darcs.net/DarcsTeam |
| 15:02 |
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kowey |
oh, sorry was just counting the review team |
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sxs |
hehe |
| 15:02 |
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kowey |
8/10 if you include everybody on that page that's said something in the past month (or something vague like that) |
| 15:05 |
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sxs |
cool. i'm also in the #hudson channel. wanna make a darcs plugin for hudson ci. but most of them are sleeping, when i'm awake :/ |
| 15:09 |
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gh_ |
hudson is like buildbot? |
| 15:10 |
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sxs |
didnt knwo buildbot. ist a continious integration like cruise control. but much more easier to install and maintain. |
| 15:13 |
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kowey |
you can see darcs' use of buildbot here: http://buildbot.darcs.net/waterfall |
| 15:13 |
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kowey |
and here: http://buildbot.darcs.net/console |
| 15:15 |
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sxs |
i think ist like hudson |
| 15:17 |
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sxs |
haskell has an interesting syntax. like erlang |
| 15:24 |
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gh_ |
never seen that language. i know alexsuraci programmed in it (he reverse-engineered a ragnarok server) |
| 15:25 |
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sxs |
ist also functional and uses the -> to show, err, i didnt know it in english. |
| 15:25 |
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alexsuraci |
heh, erlang's syntax is wacky. |
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gh_ |
http://darcsden.com/alex/aliter |
| 15:25 |
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gh_ |
hi alex :) |
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alexsuraci |
hey |
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sxs |
the mat "picture" of a mathematic function |
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gh_ |
alexsuraci, I didn't have time to continue trying to make darcsden work on my machine, but when I do I'll let you know (maybe not before september) |
| 15:26 |
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alexsuraci |
ah, alright |
| 15:27 |
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sxs |
what is ragnarok? |
| 15:27 |
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alexsuraci |
a korean MMORPG |
| 15:28 |
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sxs |
ah, then i found the right thing in google |
| 15:31 |
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alexsuraci |
gah, my haskell setup is borked pretty bad |
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gh_ |
alexsuraci, is it safe to point people to darcsden.com for hosting? |
| 15:31 |
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alexsuraci |
should be. i'd say it's pretty stable now. |
| 15:31 |
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alexsuraci |
i use it every day |
| 15:31 |
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alexsuraci |
the new ssh server rocks :P |
| 15:32 |
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kowey |
time for it to go up on hackage? |
| 15:34 |
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alexsuraci |
once i split it out from darcsden, sure |
| 15:34 |
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gh_ |
the current version of darcsden.com has this new ssh server? |
| 15:34 |
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alexsuraci |
yea |
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gh_ |
nice |
| 15:37 |
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kowey |
I think Thomas blogged about wanting to put into patch-tag |
| 15:37 |
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kowey |
http://blog.patch-tag.com/2010[…]cing-open-source/ |
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alexsuraci |
yeah he's contacted me, I haven't had the time though |
| 15:38 |
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gh_ |
alexsuraci, will darcsden keep on using public ssh keys in the future, or a generated password, ala google code hosting? |
| 15:38 |
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gh_ |
I thought you mentioned passwords once, |
| 15:38 |
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gh_ |
maybe I'm mistaken |
| 15:38 |
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sxs |
have to go. cu all |
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alexsuraci |
i don't plan on having anything other than pubkeys |
| 15:39 |
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gh_ |
ok fine |
| 15:39 |
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gh_ |
don't know where I got that idea from |
| 15:41 |
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gh_ |
when pushing to darcsden with darcs HEAD, there is a line saying "this server only accepts exec requests" |
| 15:41 |
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gh_ |
was that written by darcs or the ssh server? |
| 15:41 |
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gh_ |
ok, it's darcsden |
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alexsuraci |
odd |
| 15:42 |
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gh_ |
so darcs tried to do something wrong? |
| 15:42 |
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alexsuraci |
mind pushing with --debug-verbose? |
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gh_ |
hmm ok (got to create a patch) |
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* alexsuraci |
curses happy under his breath |
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gh_ |
alexsuraci, the message did not show up again |
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alexsuraci |
dun dun dun |
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gh_ |
it is a private repository |
| 15:49 |
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alexsuraci |
looks like it's pushing to patch-tag there? |
| 15:49 |
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gh_ |
and the 1st push I made (with the message) was pushing 6 patches against an empty repository |
| 15:49 |
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gh_ |
wut |
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gh_ |
err |
| 15:49 |
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gh_ |
ok, trying again :) |
| 15:49 |
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alexsuraci |
haha |
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gh_ |
(caught by new flag behaviour) (which I support in theory) |
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mornfall |
3 hours to deadline and no code from exlevan? |
| 15:52 |
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lambdabot |
mornfall: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. |
| 15:52 |
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gh_ |
alexsuraci, this time the push failed (trying once more without --debug-verbose) |
| 15:53 |
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gh_ |
Oo |
| 15:53 |
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gh_ |
this time without --debug-verbose, the push was successful |
| 15:53 |
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gh_ |
with the same "this server only accepts exec requests" message |
| 15:53 |
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alexsuraci |
to darcsden? :P |
| 15:54 |
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gh_ |
yes |
| 15:55 |
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alexsuraci |
actually i don't expect it to work with --debug-verbose anyway |
| 15:55 |
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alexsuraci |
since that adds --debug to the command, which darcsden doesn't handle |
| 15:55 |
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alexsuraci |
http://darcsden.com/alex/darcs[…]rowse/Main.hs#L89 |
| 15:55 |
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gh_ |
I supposed so |
| 15:57 |
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gh_ |
but that's bad for debugging :) |
| 15:58 |
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alexsuraci |
no idea why it's saying "this server only accepts exec requests", that should be pretty foolproof |
| 15:59 |
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alexsuraci |
as in, it must be sending a non-exec request |
| 15:59 |
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mornfall |
Like sftp? |
| 16:00 |
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alexsuraci |
would it do that? |
| 16:00 |
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exlevan |
mornfall: I'm somewhat stuck with cgi stuff... Hopefully will make something working in a couple of hours |
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mornfall |
Well I sure hope you will. |
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alexsuraci |
gh_: I'll have it dump out the invalid request it received at least |
| 16:05 |
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mornfall |
alexsuraci: darcs is using sftp yes |
| 16:05 |
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mornfall |
Well, at least it tries (with a scp fallback). |
| 16:08 |
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alexsuraci |
is that a new thing? what about transfer-mode? |
| 16:15 |
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kowey |
exlevan: I'd still suggest sending your work in progress, could make your life easier |
| 16:15 |
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mornfall |
Well, it first tries transfer-mode, I guess. |
| 16:15 |
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mornfall |
kowey: I don't think it's going to help anymore. |
| 16:15 |
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mornfall |
I mean, now or in 2 hours doesn't make a difference. |
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sm |
go exlevan, go |
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* sm |
sends sandwiches |
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gh_ |
bye |
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mornfall |
1:15 left |
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lispy |
and 0:45 right? |
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lispy |
> Left "1:15" |
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lambdabot |
Left "1:15" |
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mornfall |
Well... Пнд Авг 16 18:56:27 UTC 2010 |
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mornfall |
And no mail. |
| 19:01 |
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exlevan |
Successfully sent patch bundle to: patches darcs.net. |
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mornfall |
You certainly are playing on the edge. |
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exlevan |
just seen a horrible mistake 30sec before deadline... Fixed it to be less horrible |
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exlevan |
i'll send description now |
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mornfall |
We'll see. |
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mornfall |
I'll have a closer look tomorrow, I have to sleep. Goodnight. |
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balor |
kowey: FB chat sucks |
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balor |
kowey: Why don't mortals use IRC> |
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kowey |
night, mornfall |
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* kowey |
wanders off too |
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balor |
kowey: Have a good sleep |
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kowey |
balor: there's always jabber |
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Heffalump |
grmph. Darcs repository handling is not very compositional. |
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Igloo |
IWW? |
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* lispy |
can't think of what "IWW" translates too |
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lispy |
oh |
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lispy |
In what way |
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lispy |
Heffalump: I agree with Igloo |
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Heffalump |
I'm trying to run fragments of two commands, both of which add/delete patches and change working, in succession. I'm ending up with the second one claiming there's a conflict in working which there isn't (AFAIK) |
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lispy |
hmm |
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lispy |
Heffalump: hmm |
| 22:08 |
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Igloo |
Curious |
| 22:08 |
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Igloo |
Has getCurrentWorkingDirectory changed after the first command? |
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lispy |
Heffalump: Sorry, that second "hmm" was because I started to type something and deleted without relaizing I had already said that :) |
| 22:09 |
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Heffalump |
NAFAIK, and if it had it'd be completely broken, wouldn't it? |
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Igloo |
I don't know |
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Igloo |
But that and atexit are the only things that come to mind, and I hope nothing relevant is atexit'ed |
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Heffalump |
I think it has to do with what darcs thinks the working dir contains. |
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lispy |
Heffalump: doesn't it report the reason for the conflict? |
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Heffalump |
well, yes. It claims there's a conflict in the state of working with the patch I'm just applying. But I already undid the state of working that would be in conflict. |
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