Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #darcs, 2011-04-26

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01:50 twb OK, so I finally get around to trying to get Darcs on Debian back up to speed
01:51 twb Before I spend all day on this, will this combination work?  mmap-0.5.7 hashed-storage-0.5.6 darcs-2.5.2 ?
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04:38 Heffalump twb: don't see why not
04:48 twb Good-o
04:48 twb Nearly done -- was easier than I thought, once I gave up on pbuilder
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05:56 twb Whew, finally officially stepping down as Debian Darcs maintainer, after being inactive for like two years.
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09:54 kowey hmm, some unhappy redditors unhappy about Darcs getting two projects this year
09:55 kowey well, yes Eric, unhappy redditors would be unhappy, now wouldn't they?
09:56 kowey mornfall: I was asked about your proposal: "what things are currently "impossible"?
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10:37 alpounet kowey, whee for the 2 projects!
10:37 alpounet let them be unhappy
10:37 dixie 07:56 < twb> Whew, finally officially stepping down as Debian Darcs maintainer, after being inactive for like two years.
10:37 alpounet they just don't understand proposal get scores and the ones with the best scores get selected
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11:13 kowey well, the voting is only part of the process, but it's useful as a sentiment barometer
11:14 kowey in an ideal world, we'd be able to come up with snappy answers like "darcsden: now with github linking" (the idea being to somehow send pull requests to github and received them)
11:14 kowey imagine if the Darcs bridge work goes well enough that this sort of work becomes possible
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11:18 alpounet that'd be awesome yeah
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18:06 Topic for #darcs is now can't talk? see -> | http://wiki.darcs.net/IRC | http://darcs.net/ | latest is 2.5.2
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18:29 gwern http://www.gwern.net/Haskell%20Summer%2​0of%20Code.html#predicting-2011-results is relevant to this channel's interests...
18:31 kowey thanks
18:31 owst gwern: I'm glad you think my project will succeed - I certainly hope so, and proposed a project I thought would be both valuable _and_ doable, so let's see what happens over the summer!
18:33 kowey mornfall and I did discuss the proposal beforehand... one thing to clear up first of all is that this is very specifically about the primitive patch level and not a wider patch theory project
18:33 kowey the difference being that it's easier to do in a SoC project
18:34 owst Also, mornfall has the advantage of being very experienced with the Darcs code-base, and its concepts - he's not going to require time to "get used to it" so I'd argue he's certainly not the average SoC student...
18:34 kowey I think mornfall has also put a good show of effort into thinking about (A) building off previous thinking on the matter (see his proposal), (B) fitting into the Darcs agenda -- particularly in aiming for this work to happen in mainline with the help of recent refactors and also to result in some cleanups and (C) making the project telescope
18:34 gwern owst: well, in a sense, that's a negative for the project as well as a positive implementation-wise - SoCs are in part about bringing new people into communiities
18:35 kowey by telescope I mean, have a sane ordering of can-do to would-be-awesome
18:35 Heffalump gwern: yeah, though the Haskell mentors didn't see it that way
18:35 kowey (the mental image being that you can collapse a telescope)
18:36 gwern owst: I didn't mention that because I'm trying to not be unrelentingly negative, and because investigating backgrounds of everyone would require hours of work
18:36 kowey (sorry, I misread and see now that gwern did catch that this was primpatch specific)
18:36 owst gwern: in part, but not in full - they are ultimately also about "getting code written" for a project and that's certainly going to happen for mornfall's project!
18:36 gwern owst: that's the same reason I don't also judge SoCs by whether the student continued on in the community - because it'd be too damn much work
18:36 owst gwern: sure, I thought as much.
18:37 gwern owst: even though the student's future work would probably flip a number of projects from failure to success and vice-versa (eg. what has spencer janssen been doing lately? how many of the SoC students you see on the page did that and have not been heard from since like Mun of Frag?)
18:38 gwern so, I just judge on whether the code gets used a lot and whether it did something valuable
18:44 kowey it's a project that has long-term value for Darcs
18:44 kowey I think I agree with the last line of your prediction, "That might be a success by the Darcs’s team’s lights, but not in the sense I have been using in this history."
18:45 kowey although I'm certainly hoping for something better in the middle bit: code that winds up in darcs mainline plus specifications on the wiki
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21:18 mornfall Hey there.
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21:31 owst hey mornfall
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22:00 * mornfall goes to read his proposal...
22:01 mornfall (right after I find out what is there in the Higgs humbug all around...)
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22:04 owst Higgs humbug?
22:05 mornfall I have been offline for a while. :)
22:05 mornfall Couple of days back there was a leaked rumour from ATLAS that they have sort-of-found a higgs. :)
22:08 owst Ah right, now I understand what you mean ;) Must've missed that one myself...
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23:59 mornfall Hm. So I upgraded my Debian and now I have GHC 7 too. :)

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