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IRC log for #darcs, 2013-05-01

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11:53 Heffalump hi bsrk
11:53 bsrk hi
11:53 Heffalump sorry I haven't got to reviewing your PI stuff yet, bit flat out with other things
11:53 bsrk it's okay, there is no hurry
11:54 sm hi bsrk, all
11:54 Heffalump are you still thinking of the darcsden SoC project?
11:54 bsrk yes
11:54 bsrk I have just started writing up the proposal
11:54 bsrk http://darcs.net/GSoC/2013-Darcsden
11:55 Heffalump excellent
11:55 bsrk but, I have not actually figured out what to do yet. ;)
11:55 bsrk except a few generic ideas
11:55 bsrk like those in darcsden wish list
11:56 Heffalump I think one area to focus on is our desire to use darcsden as a local repository UI
11:56 bsrk ah
11:56 Heffalump so hav a mode of operation that's mainly about a single repository
11:56 bsrk something like hg serve?
11:56 Heffalump (this is my view, not necessarily shared by everyone - but we did agree the goal of having a web-based local UI at the Southampton sprint)
11:57 Heffalump yeah, kind of
11:57 Heffalump perhhaps without the remote access aspects
11:58 bsrk Okay.
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11:58 bsrk We will be able to use it for:
11:59 bsrk 1) browsing files/patches
11:59 bsrk 2) List of changes
11:59 bsrk How will other things work
11:59 bsrk ?
11:59 Heffalump my (perhaps personal) vision would include supporting repository manipulations and the like
11:59 bsrk Okay
11:59 Heffalump so e.g. more visual record
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12:00 bsrk I see. This could potentially be also useful for darcsden as a hosting platform.
12:01 Heffalump right
12:01 Heffalump some things only make sense with a local urnecorded state, some things are more general
12:01 sm personally I feel improvements to the central hub can give most bang for the buck in growing darcs
12:03 bsrk sm: I think so too
12:03 bsrk But, if supporting local
12:03 sm so I like projects that include some visible impact there
12:04 bsrk does not need invasive changes
12:04 Heffalump sm: yeah, that's a fair point
12:04 bsrk then local may be an okay idea, worth a try.
12:10 bsrk sm: what do you think about about idea 3, ie uploading patch bundle via http
12:10 Heffalump perhaps for now just assemble a list of possible things to do and their dependencies on each other, then assembly that into a plan
12:10 Heffalump bsrk: I personally think that's really important because of the move away from local email on PCs
12:10 bsrk Heffalump: that's a good idea
12:11 bsrk and I am glad you like idea 3
12:11 bsrk because I have problems with ssh
12:11 bsrk due to firewall
12:11 bsrk Heffalump: does not ssh
12:12 bsrk not rely on email
12:12 bsrk anyway?
12:12 Heffalump I'm confused about what you mean about ssh
12:12 Heffalump upload via HTTP is an alternative to sending patches by email, as I understand it
12:12 bsrk we can send to darcsden repositories
12:12 Heffalump and I think darcs send already supports it if you put a http url in the _darcs/prefs/email file
12:12 bsrk using ssh,
12:13 bsrk like darcs send aditya@hub.darcs.net:repo
12:13 bsrk and there is no local email used anywhere
12:13 Heffalump don't you mean darcs push?
12:14 bsrk heffalump: yes, sorry
12:14 Heffalump ko, so I think there are towo aspects to darcsden http support
12:14 Heffalump (1) unauthenticated patch submission via darcs send and http
12:14 Heffalump (2) authenticated darcs push via http
12:15 Heffalump both are valuable but I see (1) as more important
12:16 bsrk yes, I feel (1) is more useful too
12:16 bsrk because it does not assume much from the local end
12:16 bsrk and what is the (practical) difference between (2) and ssh?
12:17 Heffalump I thought you said ssh doesn't work well for you?
12:17 bsrk yes
12:18 sm bsrk: 3 as I understand it sounds nice, but not like an essential killer feature that other vcs's have and we don't
12:19 sm git(hub) gets by will fork and pull eh ?
12:19 sm with
12:19 bsrk I have to shift location
12:20 bsrk I will log back in 10 minutes?
12:20 sm o/
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12:29 bsrk hi
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13:00 bsrk shall we continue? :-)
13:02 bsrk We were discussing possible things to do,
13:02 bsrk for a gsoc project on darcsden
13:05 bsrk One idea that I like,
13:05 bsrk is file record/changes/annotate
13:06 bsrk file record, will let you make some changes to a file,
13:06 bsrk and you could commit the change into the repository.
13:06 bsrk changes on files will give you the last few changes made
13:06 bsrk and annotate on files will annotate
13:07 sm bsrk, don't we have this feature ?
13:07 bsrk sm: do we?
13:08 bsrk where?
13:08 sm darcs record|changes|annotate FILE ?
13:08 bsrk in darcsden, I mean
13:08 sm I know you mean something else, but I'm not sure what yet
13:08 sm oh I see
13:09 sm what is file record in darcsden context.. being able to edit files through the web ?
13:09 bsrk I mean this: https://github.com/features/hosting
13:09 bsrk look at edit online
13:10 bsrk sm: yeah, that is basically it
13:10 sm it would be great to have those
13:11 sm editing through the web fits well with darcs core strength, ease of use
13:11 sm it's something I like about github
13:12 bsrk sm: I am glad you like it!
13:15 sm web editing is especially good for quick/casual edits to web sites
13:16 sm a related project is serving sites from darcs hub, eg using hakyll (like github's jekyll)
13:17 sm brb
13:18 bsrk What is to be done from darcs hub side?
13:18 bsrk (btw, should we call it darcsden or darcs hub)
13:21 sm bsrk: the central site/service is darcs hub; it uses the darcsden software which can also be deployed locally
13:22 sm I try to follow that naming, though it requires a bit of attention
13:22 bsrk So, we should call it a darcsden project?
13:25 sm also though darcs hub currently uses close to vanilla darcsden software, that may not always be possible
13:25 sm hub could perhaps evolve more easily without that constraint
13:26 bsrk I see
13:26 sm if the central service and local tool code bases diverged, I mean. But better to avoid that as long as possible eh
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13:29 bsrk sm: Going back to the idea of serving websites,
13:29 bsrk what should be done?
13:29 bsrk I am not sure if I understood what is being accomplished
13:30 bsrk I understand what hakyll does,
13:30 bsrk but what should darcsden do?
13:31 sm bsrk: this feature makes most sense in context of darcs hub. People considering hosting their code there, would also like to easily serve a static site from there. Like github's pages.
13:32 sm it's not very exciting technically, or even darcs related - except indirectly, to make darcs hub and therefore darcs more attractive
13:32 sm got to get a little exercise bsrk, I'll be back. Parting thought - what's the project that you personally would find most useful for your day to day work ? And what's the project you personally think would grow darcs the most ?
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13:55 kowey have become fearful of my mouthing off these days, but this wasn't harmful :-) http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/1​dfe3r/darcs_projects_for_gsoc_2013/c9qa8ka
13:56 kowey starting to bring back kowey-time-Wednesdays
13:56 kowey may start to (very cautiously) let a bit more darcs into my life
13:56 kowey but no promises
13:56 kowey *but *hope* this wasn't harmful
13:57 kowey wasn't asserting non-harm, just hoping for it
13:57 owst it looks fine kowey. Good to see you!
13:57 kowey (phew)
13:58 * owst is marking 1st year java assigments, so most things other than java look good to me right now :-p
13:58 kowey haha
13:58 kowey oh dear
13:58 kowey will they let you teach java 8 type stuff one day?
14:00 owst Well the lab machines still don't have 7, so who knows :-)
14:00 * owst plans to infect their minds with Haskell next semester though, muhaha
14:00 kowey ooooh yes
14:00 kowey guessing this sort of thing will have to be generational
14:00 kowey resistance gradually falling by increasing exposure over the years
14:01 kowey till people think nothing of it
14:01 owst Yeah, there's a curriculum reshulf going on, and my supervisors have a "programming languages"-type module, the perfect opportunity :-)
14:01 owst reshuffle*
14:01 kowey :-)
14:01 owst not sure what happened there
14:02 * kowey wanders off for a bit more of his first truly-free (no admin!) wednesday
14:02 kowey I'm kind of suspicious
14:02 kowey surely there's some Form out there somebody wants me to fill
14:02 kowey and I'd just forgotten about it
14:02 owst What for?
14:02 kowey blissful ignorance
14:03 kowey well, immigration stuff, then HCAR, then US taxes,
14:03 kowey always something :-)
14:03 owst :-)
14:03 owst Forms to request more forms to fill?
14:03 kowey that sort of deal
14:04 kowey but the Hard Part is over, I keep telling myself
14:04 Igloo kowey: Don't you have to fill in a form for UK taxes too?
14:04 kowey at this time of year?
14:04 kowey gulp
14:04 Igloo Well, some time between about a month ago and next January (probably)
14:05 kowey I think/hope accountant has handle on that
14:05 kowey although should check on that
14:05 kowey sigh
14:05 kowey thanks for the reminder
14:05 kowey and there's French taxes too
14:06 Igloo Why do the french think you owe them taxes?
14:06 kowey **eek**, beginning of may
14:06 kowey I'm working half-time in Toulouse
14:06 Igloo Ah
14:06 kowey maybe not for me, since I started in Feb
14:07 Igloo ♫ Born Toulouse, and now I'm losing you ♫
14:07 kowey :-)
14:08 kowey si vous résidez à l'étranger, 17 juin 2013, which means I get to pretend to be free today
14:08 kowey sigh
14:09 kowey oh well, at least it's relatively civilised compared to tax forms for US expats
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14:43 bsrkaditya hi,
14:43 bsrkaditya I wonder if someone
14:43 bsrkaditya could give me a better idea
14:43 bsrkaditya on what "local and awareness of branches: track repository relationships"
14:43 bsrkaditya means. (It's taken from the gsoc idea page)
14:44 bsrkaditya in enhance darcsden section
14:44 owst bsrkaditya: darcs doesn't have a nice way of showing the relationship between two branches
14:45 owst for instance, A is a superset of B
14:45 owst or there are patches that are unique to both sides
14:45 owst A is a clone of B, with these extra patches, etc.
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14:48 bsrkaditya I see. Thanks owst!
14:50 owst I'm sure there's more to it than just that - but that's a flavour
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17:31 owst Anyone know who a contact for irclog.perlgeek.de is? It's been down for a couple o' days...
17:37 Heffalump "logs temporarily down due to hardware failure; will be restored in a few days"
17:37 Heffalump according to the topic on #ilbot
17:38 Heffalump we should try to capture the logs for the last few days manually
17:39 owst I guess it'd be nice to have them on darcs.net
17:42 owst jdn is apparently going to join us shortly - he's keen to get some info about the darcsden SoC project...
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17:46 Heffalump hi!
17:46 jdn Hello there, are you about owst?
17:46 owst I am, hello
17:46 jdn How's it going?
17:46 owst Heffalump is also a good person to talk to :-)
17:46 jdn Oh sweet, hi Heffalump :)
17:46 owst Good ta, how's Nottingham, sunny?
17:46 jdn So yeah, in answer to your question, I've used darcs very briefly, but not a massiv amount of experience
17:47 jdn Miserable unfortunately!
17:47 owst Righto, I suppose that's not the end of the world... I would guess that Haskell is the harder thing to pick up (I'd hope at least!)
17:49 jdn Here's hoping! I'd be interested in giving it a go in either case, partly because I have been wanting to get into darcs so what better way than getting into the code ;)
17:50 owst Indeed so, it's what I did.
17:50 owst (I did a GSoC 2 years ago with darcs)
17:50 jdn Oh cool, I've noticed that seems to be the case with a lot of the maintainers for these projects
17:51 owst IMO the most important thing is to work out what it is you're trying to achieve in the time, and have clear, incremental goals
17:51 owst So with that in mind, it would be a good idea to chat about what it is that we think teh project is/should be about
17:51 jdn Yes indeed, and that's where I'm not sure where to start in this case
17:52 Heffalump have you looked at hub.darcs.net ?
17:52 Heffalump that's the public darcsden instance
17:52 jdn I have indeed, I've rooted around a little since I saw the project proposal
17:52 jdn made an account and snooped through the code etc
17:52 owst Cool :-)
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17:53 jdn so in what ways does it not run locally at the moment?
17:53 * Heffalump realises that the idea on the page really is very thin :-)
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17:54 jdn Oh good, I was worried I was just being incredibly thick for a while. It does seem to be the least fleshed out of the ideas on that page
17:56 Heffalump this channel is normally publicly logged, but the bot is down. I've put logs for the last day or two at http://urchin.earth.li/~ganesh/temp/darcs.log
17:57 jdn Awesome, thank you. I'll have a read now
17:57 Heffalump there's already been some discusson of the project on here with someone else - obviously you should form your own proposal, but no ponit in me repeating my side of the conversation
17:58 jdn yeah I understand
18:03 jdn Hmm, I see bsrk is also applying for this project and seems vastly more experienced than me for it. May consider another
18:04 Heffalump the record project has a fully worked out proposal looking for a proposer, as I understand it
18:04 owst It has an initial proposal and a bunch of comments I added
18:05 owst I'd say the record one is more? demanding on darcs knowledge?
18:05 Heffalump perhaps less in a sense, you only need to focus on one area
18:05 owst Hmm, that's true I suppose
18:05 Heffalump but depends on what darcsden stuff you did
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18:20 jdn I may potentially pick up and finish off the record proposal
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20:00 jdn Cheers for your time!
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