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IRC log for #darcs, 2014-01-23

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16:47 gh_ hi
16:48 gh_ sooo... what do we do with hashed-storage? :-) mornfall, Heffalump?
16:52 notdan Isn't it deprecated in favour of something else?
16:53 notdan Can someone comment on my patch please? http://bugs.darcs.net/issue2345
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17:32 Heffalump mornfall: I guess you need to decide whether you want hashed-storage withdrawn from hackage or if you want to hand over maintainership to us?
17:33 Heffalump notdan: apologies, I'll take a look later this evening (and keep prodding me if I don't..)
18:08 notdan IIRC, darcs includes a patched (?) version of hashed-storage in it's tree and does not depend on the hackage version. Is there a place where I can read about that hashed-storage stuff?
18:08 notdan Heffalump: np, it is hard managing an OS project
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18:22 Heffalump notdan: does it?
18:23 Heffalump I think we were discussing doing that depending on the outcome of the current discussion about hashed-storage.
18:23 Heffalump but I may have misunderstood
18:23 notdan oops sorry, my bad, I was thinking of containers
18:23 Heffalump yes, that's because we use Data.Map.Strict which isn't in every version of containers we support
18:23 notdan unfortunately, I pretty muched missed the hashed-storage discussion. was it on darcs-devel?
18:23 Heffalump it's just a cloned copy
18:24 Heffalump I think it was just on IRC, we have a patch that's wanted for the recent look-for-moves stuff, but mornfall wants to retire hashed-storage. His new replacement has some compatibility issues so we don't want to switch to it.
18:24 Heffalump I mean containers is just a cloned copy. hashed-storage is the thing we want to update.
18:26 notdan What is the new replacement for hashed-storage?
18:27 Heffalump fslib I think
18:31 notdan I see
18:40 sm notdan: you might want to search for it in #darcs logs, it has been discussed periodically
18:41 sm most recently (this year) following discussion with mornfall gh took the first step of moving it into darcs
18:58 notdan oh, thanks :)
19:08 gh_ we discussed this 2 weeks ago http://irclog.perlgeek.de/darcs/2014-01-09
19:17 notdan wow, thanks gh!
19:32 notdan sm, gh_ so you guys wanted to get rid of the bug tracker.. altogether?
19:32 notdan I like the idea of using hub.darcs.net as the "official" hosting for darcs and h-s
19:33 notdan It's no problem using http://darcs.net as a repo, but I know that some people (including myself) like to look at the source code in a web browser
19:33 Heffalump we should definitely replace the patch tracker as soon as we can
19:33 notdan in case you just need to look at like one module
19:33 notdan Heffalump: I read the discussion that gh linked, but I still don't understand why, what's wrong with it?
19:38 gh_ notdan, yes, the proposal was from 1 year 1/2 ago by Michael Hendricks: http://lists.osuosl.org/pipermail/darcs-devel/2012-May/013823.html
19:39 gh_ about stopping using the bug tracker. I think I agree now, maybe we should just disable the "new bug" feature, and start discussing new bugs directly on the mailing lists. I don't know :-)
19:40 gh_ the bug tracker is a good resource for tracking old discussions and arguments, just like the mailing list archives and IRC logs
19:41 gh_ I'm also thinking we could use as many "forum" websites as possible, por user input: stack overflow and reddit, and why not github
19:41 gh_ s/por/for
19:41 gh_ on darcs.net we already have 2 links to stack overflow and reddit
19:42 notdan I have to disagree strongly. I can see that situation with bugs is far from perfect right now, but using a mailing list for bug reports is just asking for it
19:42 notdan emails/bugreports will just be getting ignored
19:42 notdan and no old bugs will ever recieve fixes
19:42 notdan There is a need for a _list of bugs_ somewhere, list of known issues, that is searchable and editable
19:43 notdan Anecdotally, I play a computer game called Starbound sometimes; it's in alpha and the developers are using a forum board thread for getting the bug reports. It's a complete mess
19:44 gh_ as of now the "list of bugs" exists but I seldom look at it, personally
19:44 notdan people reporting same things over and over again
19:44 notdan gh_: well, that is a problem, I agree
19:44 gh_ duplicate reports also happen with bug trackers
19:45 gh_ I *think* the idea of "no bug tracker" is that if you want your bug fixed, you have to nag us about it
19:45 gh_ if noone reacts
19:45 gh_ or propose the fix yourself
19:46 notdan OK, that is more interesting, but I am still kinda skeptical about it. Maybe a bug tracker for developers-only?
19:47 notdan I mean, every project has issues with bug tracking. It really helps to do an overhaul of issues once in a while
19:47 notdan Recently I managed to cut the number of Hakyll issues by 30%-40% just by bumping the issues on the tracker
19:50 gh_ re: dev-only bug tracker, we have this (a trello board) but it's abandoned since almost one year, personally I've never used it: https://trello.com/board/darcs/50018818943578851e95b534
19:50 gh_ gives a more global view of ongoing issues and tasks
19:51 Heffalump notdan: whats wrong with what, the patch tracker? Just not properly integrated with darcs, whereas darcshub is.
19:52 notdan Yeah I found that Trello is good if you have some sort of vision and a core team of developers working on enhancements and features, not on bugfixes. It works quite food for the diagrams project: https://trello.com/b/pL6YdKgz/diagrams
19:52 notdan Heffalump: oh +1 for moving to the darcsden
19:53 gh_ notdan, interesting to see other project using trello..
19:53 notdan Granted, issue tracker on hub.darcs.net could use some improvements too. I would love to have more email notifications integration (and in general more notification-y stuff), but I don't know anything about how email works/supposed to work
19:54 notdan and I assume that would require some changes to the CouchDB schema - an area of darcshub I am not familiar either
20:29 notdan Anyway, thanks all for the insightful convo :) I updated a section on the wiki with a thought that I took away : http://darcs.net/Development/GettingStarted#sending-your-patches
20:29 notdan by the way, the history thingie doesn't seem to work :[
20:31 notdan http://darcs.net/_history/Development/GettingStarted
20:31 notdan only for that page, it seems
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22:17 Heffalump notdan: I just pulled latest darcs and I see that hashed-storage is indeed in-tree :-)
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23:41 sm notdan: I noticed the effect you had on hakyll - very nice.

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