Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #darcs, 2016-12-21

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02:47 Topic for #darcs is now http://darcs.net/ | logs: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/darcs/ | darcs 2.12.1 is out http://darcs.net/Releases/2.12
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11:37 ilovezfs hey. any darcs maintainers around?
11:37 ilovezfs darcs cabal file needs version bump for directory
11:38 ilovezfs else -> broken with ghc 8.0.2
11:39 ilovezfs so also a new darcs release to Hackage is needed due to the directory 1.3.0.0 release.
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14:06 aristid not really darcs related, but i noticed that monotone is properly dead for a while now, which makes me sad because it was my first dvcs
14:08 ilovezfs aristid: you're mr. aws right? :)
14:08 aristid ilovezfs: continuing the off-topicness, you'll get your aws release really soon now :P
14:08 * ilovezfs does happy dance
14:09 aristid ilovezfs: yeah i feel a bit guilty that i don't maintain aws better, but i don't really use it myself anymore, so i just react to people prodding me once in a while :)
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14:10 ilovezfs aristid: yeah I just want to get rid of this craziness https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/blob/master/Formula/git-annex.rb#L40-L47 & https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/blob/master/Formula/git-annex.rb#L69-L71
14:11 aristid heh
14:11 ilovezfs im one of the homebrew maintainers. it's not actually for my use either! hehe :)
14:12 aristid ilovezfs: next you'll say that you don't use zfs either :P
14:12 ilovezfs never heard of it
14:14 ilovezfs aristid: what OS do u use?
14:14 aristid nixos
14:14 aristid why? :P
14:14 ilovezfs just wondering if I should peddle https://openzfsonosx.org/ to you or not! :)
14:16 ilovezfs aristid: wow that directory-1.3 update broke just about everything in sight.
14:16 aristid ilovezfs: i think there's a zfs module for nixos! :)
14:16 ilovezfs probably
14:16 aristid ilovezfs: but i like my filesystems to be in the mainline kernel :P
14:17 ilovezfs ew.
14:17 aristid ilovezfs: should i peddle nix-on-darwin to you? :D
14:17 ilovezfs yes
14:17 aristid i can't because i don't know how well it works nowadays :(
14:18 ilovezfs I want to try nix-whatever-the-cool-kids-are-using-these-days
14:18 ilovezfs ghc 8.0.2 was mostly smooth sailing until … that directory 1.3 thing. sheesh.
14:19 aristid i agree that upper bounds are stupid, and yet i still have upper bounds in aws *hypocrite*
14:19 ilovezfs I'm increasingly convinced ghc doesn't pay any attention to semver
14:20 aristid does directory 1.3 make any breaking changes?
14:21 ilovezfs none I know of except for exporting getfilesize
14:21 ilovezfs i've only seen it actually break 1 thing and it was for that
14:21 aristid ilovezfs: http://hackage.haskell.org/package/aws-0.15
14:22 ilovezfs and so symbol just needed to be hidden
14:22 ilovezfs but all the other breakage is the freaking bounds
14:22 ilovezfs I'm about ready to hard code allow-newer=directory in to every single freaking thing
14:23 ilovezfs aristid: neat! I'll strip the crazy out of our git-annex formula. thank u
14:23 aristid ilovezfs: let's hope git-annex doesn't have an upper bound on aws :P
14:24 ilovezfs just a lower bound
14:24 aristid yay
14:24 ilovezfs >= 0.9.2
14:24 aristid probably that lower bound is a lie too
14:24 ilovezfs yes, likely
14:24 ilovezfs the "crazy" in the formula is to use aws HEAD.
14:25 ilovezfs so it would be quite strange for your release to break something :)
14:25 aristid oh
14:25 aristid well, aws is moving so slowly these days, HEAD is fine to use :D
14:26 ilovezfs hehe
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14:27 ilovezfs now the lone miscreant in git-annex is esqueleto
14:27 aristid it may sound self-defeating, but if i had known that it was possible at the time, i would have taken an approach much closer to amazonka's
14:27 ilovezfs why is that?
14:31 aristid ilovezfs: well, because writing all the functions by hand is a fuckton of work. there are description files you can generate most of them from
14:31 aristid i did not know about these description files.
14:32 ilovezfs interesting. what format are they
14:35 aristid ilovezfs: example: https://github.com/boto/botocore/blob/develop/botocore/data/es/2015-01-01/service-2.json
14:35 ilovezfs ah
14:36 ilovezfs yeah botocore gets bumped every time awscli does so that would make sense
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