Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #galileo, 2013-03-07

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15:23 riba jberger: ping
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17:13 riba jberger: ping?
17:16 run4flat riba, it looks like Joel is elsewhere. :-/
17:16 run4flat what's up?
17:16 riba you don't say ;)
17:17 riba I was going to grill him on the dep stuff he wrote about
17:17 run4flat dependency stuff?
17:17 run4flat for Galileo?
17:17 riba http://blogs.perl.org/users/davewood/2013/03/usin​g-dbixclassdeploymenthandler.html#comment-390407
17:18 run4flat oh, deployment
17:18 riba not only
17:19 run4flat well, yeah, I'm afraid you'll have to talk to the man himself; I am of little help here. :-)
17:19 riba "...and since the dependency radius for DBIC ...is already huge"
17:19 run4flat haha
17:19 run4flat yeah, one must be careful when discussing such things, right?
17:19 riba not particularly, I need to figure out what he means, so I can figure out if there is anything to fix in the 1st place
17:20 riba i.e. on data I can act, less so on handwaving
17:20 run4flat ok
17:20 run4flat right
17:21 run4flat so, this page shows an awful lot of dependencies for DBIx::Class::Migration: https://metacpan.org/module/DBIx::Class::Migration
17:21 run4flat are those dependencies correct?
17:21 run4flat Most of the File:: stuff is core, as is versio
17:21 run4flat *version
17:22 * run4flat steps away for a sec, but will be back shortly
17:22 riba the "awful lot" part is what needs clarification - that is how does it affect his deployment target
17:22 run4flat I see
17:22 run4flat if the dependencies are all pure-perl, and they pass their tests, there's not much to worry about
17:23 run4flat but I think his point was that he could get the functionality without any of these depencies
17:23 run4flat Actually, I'd bet that Moose is the big concern
17:23 run4flat that has some xs dependencies
17:23 run4flat and I bet Joel wants to focus on pure-perl
17:23 riba no more than DBIC in fact
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17:24 riba the only true XS depencency is Sub::Name
17:24 riba along with the DBD/DBI stuff obviously
17:24 run4flat right, right
17:24 run4flat and, of course, Moose is a thoroughly used dependency
17:24 run4flat so these kinks get ironed out, I suspect
17:25 run4flat I'm not Joel, but based on conversations I've had with him, he seems to prefer as few XS dependencies as possible
17:25 riba so do I
17:26 run4flat so, you'll have to wait for him to get back to explain his position, but I expect that'll at least be part of it
17:26 riba https://rt.cpan.org/Public​/Bug/Display.html?id=74706
17:26 riba fwiw
17:26 run4flat cool
17:27 * run4flat steps away for real, this time, should be back in a few
17:28 * riba too &
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22:00 jberger riba, if you are watching the irclog, I'm back
22:14 run4flat o/ jberger
22:14 jberger o/
22:14 jberger I just posted a response on the original blog post
22:15 jberger http://blogs.perl.org/users/davewood/2013/03/usin​g-dbixclassdeploymenthandler.html#comment-391265
22:15 run4flat ah, that's probably a sensible place to post a reply
22:15 run4flat hopefully (s)he'll see it there
22:15 run4flat it'll?
22:15 jberger thats peter rabbitson
22:15 * run4flat ponders
22:15 run4flat oh
22:15 jberger riba
22:15 run4flat ok
22:15 run4flat haha
22:15 run4flat I'm sure he was scratching his head about who run4flat is, too.
22:15 run4flat :-)
22:16 jberger not jberger
22:16 jberger we all know him!
22:16 run4flat agh
22:16 run4flat branding
22:17 jberger further, as I have looked into the code of DBICDH, its really crazy
22:17 jberger they go to great pains to allow some kind of usage that I really don't understand
22:18 jberger I'm sure its useful, but it ended up meaning that there are a few bugs that I couldn't fix either externally or even by patching the main code
22:18 jberger riba has been helpful and got one of them
22:18 jberger but it just highlights how complex working with rdbms can be
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