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IRC log for #gluster, 2012-12-31

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00:34 mynameisdeleted other hacks for network.. right now I boot on gigabit ethernet
00:34 mynameisdeleted and use infiniband for most communication but in connected mode that doesnt support dhcp
00:34 mynameisdeleted as I have 2 interfaces on the switch on the dhcp server/nfs server
00:35 mynameisdeleted I could have one in regular non-connected mode run dhcp, tftp and load an  initrd that sets interface to ahve same ip but in connected mode
00:35 mynameisdeleted and then boot with nfs root
00:35 mynameisdeleted and mtu of 65k
00:35 mynameisdeleted 65k packet size  and hardware check summing makes huge performance difference with 10gbps + hardware network speeds
00:36 mynameisdeleted edge router of such a network needs a firewall rule to set the mss field of outbound tcp streams to have a maximum of 1500 byte packet size(or 1492 for fios)
00:36 mynameisdeleted to avoid lousy tcp/ip packet drops on internet-bound data
00:37 mynameisdeleted so for initrd you make a mini linux distro with only those tooles needed to setup networking and mount the root fs
00:38 mynameisdeleted so it includes script to set connected mode and obtain an ip and load nfs kernel modules etc
00:38 mynameisdeleted after it does that it executes pivot_root to switch to the newly mounted root fs and calls init with pid 1 to resume normal boot over new root fs
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01:57 VSpike If I add a node to a replication pool which has a slow link to the others, will it slow down the whole pool? Or just randomly slow down some operations?
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02:29 JoeJulian mynameisdeleted: You could possibly do the same but with the glusterfs client - though I suspect you'd want/need to statically link it for that.
02:29 JoeJulian VSpike: yes, it will slow down all write operations as well as self-heal checks.
02:30 VSpike JoeJulian: thanks - I thought it probably would. So for a DR site I'm best to have a separate cluster with something like rsync or unison managing updates
02:31 JoeJulian Or geosynchronize
02:35 VSpike not come across that - do you have a link? Google is not providing
02:36 JoeJulian Check the ,,(rtfm). I'd link to it but the damned admin guide is a pdf.
02:36 glusterbot Read the fairly-adequate manual at http://goo.gl/E3Jis
02:36 JoeJulian Once more reason I hate pdf documentation.
02:36 JoeJulian s/Once/One/
02:36 glusterbot What JoeJulian meant to say was: One more reason I hate pdf documentation.
02:36 JoeJulian s/\./!/
02:36 glusterbot What JoeJulian meant to say was: Once more reason I hate pdf documentation!
02:37 JoeJulian Seriously glusterbot... <sigh>
02:37 jjnash why not pdftohtml it and post it somewhere then?
02:42 VSpike JoeJulian: that is utterly awesome - i didn't even know gluster had that feature. and apologies for missing something so clearly in the manual :)
02:56 JoeJulian VSpike: No worries.
02:56 JoeJulian jjnash: Actually, my intention is to find some free time and convert the publican to asciidoc.
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02:59 jjnash That would be even better, save for the time required to do it
02:59 JoeJulian I think there's a tool to do the conversion, so then it's just going back through and cleaning up.
03:01 semiosis JoeJulian: did you see ,,(gfid resolver) ?
03:01 glusterbot JoeJulian: https://gist.github.com/4392640
03:01 jjnash It's going to require time to learn and time to convert any way you slice it
03:01 JoeJulian I did. Spiffy.
03:02 JoeJulian Well, the learning part is simple. It's basically markdown with some added features for doing the note boxes and such, but yeah, that's why I'm volunteering to get it started.
03:02 JoeJulian semiosis: I just wish there was another way. This works for you and me but some folks it would take days to find the answer.
03:03 jjnash I should probably learn some of those documentation markup languages someday too
03:05 JoeJulian markdown, and by extension asciidoc, are really easy to learn and have the benefit of being plain text so they're readable without any conversion. That also makes them feasible for collaboration via github.
03:06 jjnash I just haven't been able to justify it since I've never seen it listed in any requirements for any jobs
03:06 JoeJulian The call it "communication skills"
03:06 JoeJulian They
03:07 JoeJulian I hope they don't judge my typing either before I've had coffee or on a holiday weekend. ;)
03:07 jjnash Trouble is, I can't know which ones they'd want me to know unless they specify
03:07 JoeJulian They just want to know you can document things.
03:08 JoeJulian Honestly, if you're job shopping, blog at least once a week about technical stuff.
03:08 jjnash It's things like 'embedded experience', 'java language experience', and 'rtos experience' that hamper my efforts to get into the more interesting positions
03:09 JoeJulian Not only will you learn while you're researching your blog articles, but you publish that you're an expert at something.
03:09 jjnash I'm not so sure I'm comfortable with being that highly-visible
03:09 JoeJulian hehe
03:10 JoeJulian I get at least two headhunters a month contacting me because of my blog.
03:10 jjnash It's nice that potential employers can see what I have to offer and all, but I prefer to keep some in reserve
03:10 jjnash It's better to under-promise and over-deliver than over-promise and under-deliver after all :)
03:11 JoeJulian They're not hiring for what you know, they're hiring for what you can do. Sharing what you know doesn't harm you in any way (which is why I hang out here and help all you guys).
03:12 JoeJulian ... and I know that to keep my wife happy I need to go load the dishwasher... bbiab.
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03:13 jjnash I've thought about blogging but I pretty much came to the conclusion that my best course of action would be to pick up the technologies that I'm lacking so I can list them on my resume
03:20 jjnash I certainly do a lot of things that might be consider blogworthy, but I imagine I'd end up spending inordinate amounts of time making sure each and every post was 100% perfect
03:21 jjnash blogs are forever thanks to google and the time machine sites :(
03:23 semiosis you might be surprised how often people turn up in here with problems because they followed some three year old documentation with a one year old glusterfs install
03:23 semiosis never mind the fact that they could be using current stable glusterfs from a month or two ago
03:24 semiosis even people just starting out
03:24 semiosis tech blog articles should expire
03:24 semiosis because people aren't keen enough to realize they're reading something seriously outdated
03:24 semiosis </rant>
03:24 jjnash That seems like an issue with the search algorithm more than anything
03:25 semiosis my search algorithm is 1) google, 2) restrict to last 12 months
03:25 semiosis :)
03:26 semiosis jjnash: btw, if you want to "learn markdown" then start using it to take notes... that worked pretty well for me
03:26 jjnash I would've thought search engines would weight by date by default
03:26 semiosis i got an app called Denote on my android and use it to take notes in markdown in meetings
03:26 jjnash I'm sure there's a good reason they don't, but I'm not privvy to it, sadly
03:27 semiosis there's many others besides denote but thats what i liked, ymmv
03:27 semiosis i'm sure there's good ones for ios, and there are definitely plenty for desktop oses
03:27 jjnash Eh, I'll probably have to learn it someday, but that day isn't today
03:28 jjnash I document everything fairly well but I leave making it pretty and converting it to others
03:28 semiosis i guess what i'm trying to say is dont look at it as learning it all on some day (though that can be made to work) another option is starting small and working your way up over time
03:29 semiosis :)
03:29 semiosis same goes for java, which can't be learned in a day
03:29 jjnash If/when some company pays me to learn it and use it I'll do so
03:29 semiosis fair enough
03:29 jjnash Until then, it gets shelved for more interesting and useful skills LIKE java and various embedded technologies
03:32 jjnash I'm also at the point in life where management positions are starting to look more and more attractive too
03:32 jjnash Big, steep learning curve to overcome there
03:34 jjnash Oh, I almost forgot what I'd peaked in to ask
03:35 jjnash What is the status of glusterfs on FreeBSD? Is anyone actively working on getting newer versions built on it?
03:37 semiosis last i heard you could use freebsd as a server but iirc the fuse mount client didnt work
03:37 jjnash I tried building from source and it bombed on the usual kind of mismatches you'd expect to see when kernel-level apis change
03:37 semiosis hmmm
03:37 jjnash Ah, you're talking about this no doubt: http://wiki.freebsd.org/GlusterFS
03:37 glusterbot Title: GlusterFS - FreeBSD Wiki (at wiki.freebsd.org)
03:38 jjnash It claims server support for FreeBSD, but the binary packages in 9.x are ancient
03:39 jjnash I'm also not sure why the client would be that difficult to port since FreeBSD has a FUSE implementation as well
03:39 semiosis i was talking about a vague recollection of what people have turned up here reporting :)
03:40 semiosis JoeJulian: http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2012/12/29/​build-a-diy-midi-singing-tesla-coil-onetesla/
03:40 glusterbot <http://goo.gl/mVmvO> (at www.synthtopia.com)
03:40 jjnash The main reason I'm asking is because I might try getting it working myself if no one else is known to be working on it
03:40 semiosis JoeJulian: (OT but super cool)
03:40 semiosis jjnash: what glusterfs version did you try building?
03:41 jjnash 3.2.6 I believe
03:42 jjnash I tried a couple 3.1.x builds too and ran into the same build issues
03:42 semiosis ah
03:43 semiosis gerrit has the most awful search tool
03:43 jjnash The one in the freebsd repos is a late 3.0 build
03:43 semiosis forget that
03:44 jjnash I forget what was added after 3.0, but I remember seeing something that would be really nice to have
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03:44 semiosis lots and lots of stuff
03:44 semiosis ...in the last two years
03:44 semiosis (!!!)
03:45 jjnash Oh...it might have been because I don't have to futz with the configs as much
03:46 jjnash That was a royal pain getting everything set up just right way back when I first tried glusterfs
03:46 semiosis http://review.gluster.org/#q,owner:manu%2540netbsd.org,n,z
03:46 glusterbot <http://goo.gl/kJDwS> (at review.gluster.org)
03:47 semiosis emmanuel dreyfus is a dev who contributes patches for netbsd
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03:47 semiosis http://review.gluster.org/#q,status:merged+owner:manu%2540netbsd.org,n,z <-- merged commits
03:47 glusterbot <http://goo.gl/xMJqW> (at review.gluster.org)
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03:48 jjnash It's a BSD at least :)
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03:48 semiosis based on that info i would suggest trying git master
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03:50 jjnash It looks like netbsd might be able to mount glusterfs volumes too if I'm not reading to much into the commit titles
03:51 semiosis well there's always nfs
03:51 semiosis if fuse isnt available
03:52 polfilm Anyone had luck crosscompiling gluster on fc with mingw? What sort of problems do you run into?
03:52 semiosis fc with mingw?
03:53 jjnash semiosis: this is something I'm going to be attempting to use over infiniband and also in virtualized networks since I need to get a feel for how well it will perform there
03:54 jjnash putting nfs on top is just asking for trouble since the end result needs to be highly available
03:54 semiosis jjnash: then i'd stick to linux ;)
03:54 semiosis hehe
03:55 jjnash (yes, I already know there are a few quirks that affect HA...I'm prepared for it)
03:55 semiosis its a catch-22... glusterfs runs well on linux because thats what everyone uses... no one uses it on *bsd because it doesn't run well there...
03:55 semiosis that's my take on it at least
03:56 jjnash semiosis: that will probably change with FreeBSD 10
03:56 semiosis awesome!  why's that?
03:56 semiosis the combo of freebsd zfs and glusterfs would be killer
03:56 jjnash It's supposed to be officially picking up its own flavor of virtualization (ByHyve) among other major features
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03:57 semiosis though people recently have had success running with zfs on linux
03:57 semiosis @lucky ByHyve
03:57 glusterbot semiosis: http://goo.gl/bkPdx
03:57 semiosis uh oh
03:57 semiosis thats not about bsd
03:58 semiosis idk what that is
03:59 jjnash I probably messed up the letters. The way they spell it is kind of weird
04:00 jjnash Let me see if I can dig up a link...
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04:02 jjnash 'BHyVe' is the correct spelling
04:02 jjnash http://bhyve.org/
04:02 glusterbot Title: bhyve - BSD Hypervisor (at bhyve.org)
04:04 jjnash I need either that or proper dom0 support before I can justify running a PCBSD desktop
04:05 semiosis i dont see how that would help running glusterfs
04:05 jjnash It doesn't directly
04:05 semiosis unless you're just going to run glusterfs in a linux guest vm
04:05 semiosis but bhyve doesnt do that (yet)
04:06 jjnash You asked why FreeBSD 10 would make a difference, and that's one of the major pieces keeping it from being an awesome desktop OS
04:07 jjnash The other major piece for me was supposedly added in 9.1 -- proper bluetooth support with gui
04:08 jjnash I'm not sure if you've noticed, but the linux storage subsystems in 3.x seem to be in pretty bad shape
04:09 jjnash I sometimes have to reboot systems to fix problems that I should be able fix by killing processes via fuser -k and unmounting or remounting the affected mount point
04:10 jjnash That doesn't seem to happen on PCBSD
04:10 semiosis oh i understand
04:11 jjnash Thus, more people using PCBSD and vanilla FreeBSD means more people who will potentially care about other things like glusterfs working too
04:12 jjnash This particular problem is also one of my motivations in avoiding nfs if possible
04:12 jjnash nfs mounts seem to be one of the worst offenders that cause me to have to reboot my desktop and laptop
04:13 jjnash The glusterfs client is FUSE-based so I can always kill it if a gluster mount acts up and I need to unwedge a mount point
04:14 jjnash The same can't be said for linux' kernel land nfs client
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04:18 semiosis it can be difficult to kill a fuse mount if it misbehaves in such a way that an application hangs with a lock on a file
04:18 semiosis i've had to stop & restart the whole glusterfs volume to get such fuse clients to die
04:18 semiosis as always, test every failure scenario you can think of before going to production
04:19 jjnash That's the point though. FUSE-based filesystems have a backing daemon which can be killed even if linux refuses to unmount because of active processes
04:20 jjnash Requests to the mount point return "Transport not connected" after the backing daemon is dead and the mount point can then be unmounted
04:21 jjnash It's far less than ideal, but it's better than having to bring the whole system down hard
04:23 nightwalk jjnash: are you talking about this? https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/issues/1070
04:23 glusterbot Title: Immortal processes & ZoL · Issue #1070 · zfsonlinux/zfs · GitHub (at github.com)
04:26 jjnash nightwalk: I think so, yes
04:27 semiosis hi nightwalk, wb
04:27 nightwalk It's been a big pita for me since 2.6.39 or so. I suspect it's somehow related to the bkl removal
04:28 nightwalk semiosis: thanks
04:29 nightwalk semiosis: as you can see, rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated :)
04:29 semiosis lol
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04:32 nightwalk I mainly just popped in because I happened to notice a few flagged words I didn't expect to be uttered in here
04:33 semiosis beetlejuice beetlejuice beetlejuice
04:33 semiosis ;)
04:34 nightwalk cute
04:34 nightwalk :P
04:34 nightwalk Looks like jjnash is trying something I'd tried myself and had to set aside for lack of time. Glad to hear it might might be possible use glusterfs 3.2/3.3 on freebsd now
04:35 nightwalk I guess I'm going to have to endeavor to find time to pay attention more often from now on ;)
04:38 semiosis nightwalk: you were using dovecot over glusterfs over ZoL?
04:38 semiosis or did i just get 22 from 2 and 2
04:38 jjnash semiosis: there you have it. there are at least two of us who have some level of interest in getting glusterfs working on freebsd :)
04:39 semiosis :D
04:39 nightwalk semiosis: I didn't make it to using glusterfs actually
04:39 semiosis ah ok
04:40 nightwalk ZoL only added to the linux 3.x instability and I had to roll back to using a more traditional mdraid+lvm+ext4 stack
04:40 semiosis someone recently reported success running glusterfs over ZoL and wrote this HOWTO on gluster.org about his experience... http://www.gluster.org/community/do​cumentation/index.php/GlusterOnZFS
04:40 glusterbot <http://goo.gl/BG4Bv> (at www.gluster.org)
04:41 semiosis iirc his nick was _Scott but i dont see him online atm
04:41 nightwalk Oh, I tried it myself and it seemed to work fine
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04:43 nightwalk I just didn't want to combine the two until I knew for sure neither of them would cause me to lose anything important
04:44 nightwalk Truth be told, I'm not so sure I'd trust any zfs implementation other than zfs-fuse at this point
04:45 nightwalk There are far too many issues in the generic zfs code seemingly caused by lack of foresight and effort on the part of the original zfs developers
04:45 semiosis are you speaking of linux zfses only, or does that include a lack of trust for freebsd's zfs?
04:45 nightwalk freebsd and oi as well
04:46 semiosis ah
04:46 nightwalk Or I guess I should say illumos
04:47 nightwalk It works fine as long as your use case is fairly simple, your underlying storage supports barriers, and you have an UPS or other means to avert unclean shutdowns from power outages
04:47 elyograg http://repos.itory.org/v/misc​/giantfortunecookie.jpg.html
04:48 glusterbot <http://goo.gl/AQYI3> (at repos.itory.org)
04:48 semiosis hasnt been a zfs fuse release in over 18 months
04:48 semiosis :(
04:48 nightwalk Violate any of those three conditions and all hell breaks loose sooner or later
04:49 nightwalk Then you find that your pool can't be imported and you have to look all over the place to try to scrape up enough information to figure out how to try to fix it since there's no fsck
04:49 semiosis elyograg: happy birthday (?)
04:50 elyograg semiosis: thanks.
04:51 nightwalk semiosis: why do they need to release anything else? zfs is closed-source upstream now and there will be no new features until/unless they're ported from other implementations
04:52 nightwalk About the only thing they have left to do is add the bits required to make it totally version-compatible with ZoL, freebsd, and illumos
04:52 nightwalk ^ that's one of the reasons I had to scale back to a traditional stack btw
04:53 nightwalk You can't downgrade an upgraded pool, and you can't import the latest pool and fs versions that other implementations support into zfs-fuse atm
04:55 semiosis closed source?
04:55 nightwalk zfs-fuse also can't support zvols by virtue of its use of FUSE, but that's easy enough to work around as one can simply dd the block devices to flat files prior to switching
04:56 nightwalk semiosis: unfortunately, yes
04:57 nightwalk Last I heard, the OSS implementations were tossing around the idea of compatibility flags so they could remain compatible with the last oss version of zfs while still being able to add new features
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05:41 semiosis nothing like a little excess flood to spice up one's evening
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09:04 manthiri Any one knows why i am getting this error when i try to attach a peer ?
09:04 manthiri Probe unsuccessful
09:04 manthiri Probe returned with unknown errno 107
09:05 manthiri i have three test machines, and two are attached and the third is refusing to connect to peer
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09:10 manthiri And here is the cli.log output
09:10 manthiri [2012-12-31 04:04:08.132512] W [rpc-transport.c:174:rpc_transport_load] 0-rpc-transport: missing 'option transport-type'. defaulting to "socket"
09:10 manthiri [2012-12-31 04:04:08.443197] I [cli-rpc-ops.c:113:gf_cli3_1_probe_cbk] 0-cli: Received resp to probe
09:10 manthiri [2012-12-31 04:04:08.443241] E [cli-rpc-ops.c:173:gf_cli3_1_probe_cbk] 0-glusterd: Probe failed with op_ret -1 and op_errno 107
09:10 manthiri [2012-12-31 04:04:08.443334] I [input.c:46:cli_batch] 0-: Exiting with: -1
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09:13 manthiri anyone?
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09:44 x4rlos manthiri: Versions are all exactly the same?
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09:49 manthiri yes
09:49 manthiri they are same
09:51 x4rlos its not dropping the packet or anything is it? No firewalls on at all?
09:52 manthiri no firewall
09:53 manthiri and i can see the packets
09:53 manthiri and it is on ubuntu
09:55 manthiri Is there any other log file i should look ?
09:55 manthiri and this is the source list i have in there
09:55 manthiri semiosis-ubuntu-glusterfs-3_3-precise.list
09:56 manthiri so i am guessing it is latest
09:57 z00dax i'm looking for a reasonable comparison of glusterfs with xtreemfs .. anyone have a url handy ?
09:57 z00dax most of the top hits in google are to reviews done by people who know / understand one or the other, making them all a bit wonky
09:58 manthiri however i had to replace the realtek nic driver to R8168 from R8169, but it worked on the other two machines after the update
10:00 manthiri and everything seems to be set up right, including DNS and NTP
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10:27 manthiri well, not sure what i should do further
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11:18 manthiri never mind, i uninstalled and reinstalled and it went away, have no idea what was that
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13:45 pjefferson Hello. I reported a bug with Gluster 3.3 and have been asked to see if it's resolved in release 3.4.0qa. Where can I get version 3.4.0qa for Ubuntu 12.04?
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15:17 jiffe98 is quorum setup per cluster or per replica set?
15:17 jiffe98 ie if I have 4 nodes with 2-way replication and one goes down is the cluster still in quorum?
15:27 jiffe98 I think I found the answer to my question
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18:11 elyograg jiffe98: I believe quorum is per replica set .. which means that as it is now, it's useless for replica 2 volumes.  I filed bug 884381 for this.
18:11 glusterbot Bug http://goo.gl/rsyR6 medium, unspecified, ---, jdarcy, ASSIGNED , Implement observer feature to make quorum useful for replica 2 volumes
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18:57 copec Hi, I'm trying to build GlusterFS 3.3.1 on Solaris 11.1 and am currently stuck at this point during the process:  http://pastebin.com/9zLn6NMm
18:57 glusterbot Please use http://fpaste.org or http://dpaste.org . pb has too many ads. Say @paste in channel for info about paste utils.
18:58 copec If someone could point in a direction of what to look at, I would greatly appreciate it
18:58 JoeJulian I still think #gluster-dev would be more likely to work for that question, although with it being New Year's Eve for most of the world, I wouldn't expect a quick reply.
18:59 copec I'll try that too
18:59 copec It isn't urgent, and I really appreciate any help, so that is totally fine by me
19:02 semiosis JoeJulian: did you see the singing tesla coil?
19:02 JoeJulian Nope
19:04 semiosis i sent you a link here last night but now it's on G+
19:05 semiosis pretty cool
19:16 semiosis i almost feel bad doing this, but after seeing two people in 12 hours try, i just can't resist...
19:16 semiosis http://qkme.me/3se83p
19:16 glusterbot Title: One Does Not Simply - one does not simply build glusterfs on nonlinux systems (at qkme.me)
19:22 JoeJulian hehe
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19:26 copec hehe, I'm sort of stuck in this case
19:37 JoeJulian copec: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.​unix.solaris/1oz-VBCdF0o/APVon_K3tCIJ
19:37 glusterbot <http://goo.gl/oA84C> (at groups.google.com)
19:39 copec thanks JoeJulian
19:40 JoeJulian I'm an expert at googling. ;)
19:41 semiosis '93!
19:47 copec That doesn't seem to be what my error is related to, however
19:48 JoeJulian Darn
19:49 copec well, hold on
19:49 copec The problem is that a bunch of typedefs are missing
19:49 copec I'm trying to figure out where they come in at
19:49 copec so this could be it, I'm trying the fixincludes that is referenced
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