Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #gluster, 2016-02-20

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02:52 JoeJulian cpetersen: Sorry, wasn't around today. Couldn't sit at my desk since I just had knee surgery yesterday and had to keep it elevated all day today. Working from a tiny laptop screen just isn't efficient for me.
02:53 JoeJulian cpetersen: I need you to figure this out since I'll be doing it after you. ;)
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03:01 virusuy JoeJulian: how was your surgery ?
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03:03 JoeJulian Good. Uneventful.
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03:47 JoeJulian Uneventful is how I like surgery, airplane rides, and server upgrades.
03:50 JoeJulian @later tell hagarth with regard to my red/black container update question, yes. The bricks are bind mounts.
03:50 glusterbot JoeJulian: The operation succeeded.
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09:19 wowas Hello
09:19 glusterbot wowas: Despite the fact that friendly greetings are nice, please ask your question. Carefully identify your problem in such a way that when a volunteer has a few minutes, they can offer you a potential solution. These are volunteers, so be patient. Answers may come in a few minutes, or may take hours. If you're still in the channel, someone will eventually offer an answer.
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09:33 wowas could someone please have a look at this? http://fpaste.org/326450/96078514/
09:33 glusterbot Title: #326450 Fedora Project Pastebin (at fpaste.org)
09:33 wowas i have a 3 Node replica setup and one node does not see the other nodes for some reason. But i can ping every node
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09:57 wowas actually, i might have a network problem ^^
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13:32 post-factum wowas: check your firewall
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13:33 wowas post-factum, yeah, i was a weird bonding problem i had to fix. But now i get this: http://www.gluster.org/pipermail/gluster-users/2016-February/025455.html
13:33 glusterbot Title: [Gluster-users] Error between v3.7.8 and v3.7.0 (at www.gluster.org)
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13:34 wowas E [socket.c:2965:socket_connect]
13:34 wowas 0-management: Failed to set keep-alive: Invalid argument
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13:38 post-factum you have to update all cluster to same version
13:38 post-factum *whole cluster
13:41 wowas okay, thanks
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13:53 JoeJulian wowas: That's also not the client log, that's the management daemon. The client log would be /var/log/glusterfs/mnt.log
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13:54 wowas JoeJulian, yeah, but the problem of the source are the diffrent versions, right?
13:55 JoeJulian Not necessarily, though you _should_ upgrade servers before upgrading clients.
13:55 wowas JoeJulian, i was not paying attention on this at that time :-(
13:56 JoeJulian Post the client log. Let's see if we can work around this.
13:56 wowas okay :)
13:57 wowas http://fpaste.org/326547/55976648/
13:57 glusterbot Title: #326547 Fedora Project Pastebin (at fpaste.org)
13:57 wowas i did " mount -t glusterfs 10.10.3.7:/RaidVolC /mnt/ "
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13:59 post-factum i had the similar issue in the middle of cluster upgrade with mixed 3.7.0 and 3.7.3 nodes
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14:05 MACscr does gluster upgrade pretty well? Will my client go offline? The client and the server are the same. Im using it as an iscsi target
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14:12 wowas post-factum, i downgraded the rpm package, it seems to work now
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14:32 JoeJulian cpetersen: Did you already show me the xattrs on one of the split-brains?
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15:49 cpetersen JoeJulian: No I didn't.  When the split-brain happens, I think quorum straightens it out.
15:50 cpetersen It happens over the course of a minute or two
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15:52 JoeJulian So it's a false report maybe?
15:52 cpetersen What happened was, I cut power to brick 1.  The ganesha VIP floated to brick 3 and the share basically stayed up.  When the VM booted up on the other host, it was black.
15:52 cpetersen I see the VMware POST, but no boot of VM.
15:52 cpetersen That usually means corruption on either the disk or on the RAM.
15:53 cpetersen ...file.
15:53 cpetersen The weird part is that there still may be hope.  I booted the original host back up and moved the VM back.  Low and behold, it booted fine.
15:53 cpetersen I'm completely baffled...
15:53 JoeJulian The gluster servers are also the clients?
15:53 cpetersen No, ESXi.  =)
15:54 JoeJulian I thought I'd read somewhere back they were doing double duty.
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15:54 JoeJulian So why does the vm boot up on "the other host"?
15:54 JoeJulian Shouldn't it just stay up?
15:54 cpetersen Well, I guess they are the clients if you consider that Ganesha basically consumes the bricks via GlusterFS and shares them via NFS 3.
15:55 cpetersen No because I cut power to the host consuming the share as well as the storage node.
15:55 cpetersen It's complicated... =]
15:56 cpetersen I only have 3 servers and each has a large block of storage, so I have a VM on each re-introducing the storage to the host.  All of the servers are part of the replicated storage and also run the critical VMs that need to be HA.
15:57 cpetersen So yeah, complicated.
15:57 cpetersen Hyper-converged and bla bla bla
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15:59 cpetersen The main weird part is that each host is consuming the same VIP for the NFS3 share.  Why would it even go in to split-brain in the first place?  There is no multi-path IO going on here.
15:59 JoeJulian right
16:01 JoeJulian So, the gluster server is a vmware vm that's sharing out the local storage (I assume that vm boots from local storage) to be the nfs share for the rest of the vms.
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16:01 cpetersen I was hypothesizing that the bricks don't write simultaneously, that the main node that's mounted distributes to the others and so when I simulate a failure, the two haven't caught up.
16:02 cpetersen Correct.
16:02 JoeJulian Shouldn't make the splitbrain.
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16:03 cpetersen We bought VMware HA licensing with replication.  The problem is that VMware replication doesn't do replicated volumes, it's for DR only.  So we realized we needed VSAN.  VSAN is expensive as hell.  So, I needed to come up with another solution.  =)
16:03 cpetersen So now I'm boldly going in this direction.
16:04 cpetersen In theory it works, in practice it's a bit sketchy
16:04 JoeJulian That's no problem. My plan is to do something similar, though I planned on running gluster on the bare metal.
16:05 cpetersen Hmmm, didn't know gluster had a virtual appliance for VMware.
16:05 cpetersen I was googling GlusterFS direct mount on ESXi.
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16:07 JoeJulian Well, iirc esxi is basically ubuntu with the vmware hypervisor process running on it.
16:08 JoeJulian What I intend to try is to take the vmware bits and see if I can run them on Arch Linux. If I can, then I run gluster in a systemd-nspawn container on the same hardware I run the hypervisor.
16:08 cpetersen Basically, except all of the applications are proprietary for some reason.
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16:09 cpetersen Sounds just like what Pivot3 did with their CloudBank iteration.
16:09 cpetersen Linux with hypervisor and storage controller installed on bare metal.
16:09 cpetersen They do RAID6X, which means that you can lost an appliance and two drives but still survice.
16:10 cpetersen survive.
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16:10 JoeJulian Meh
16:10 cpetersen I don't know what kind of back end they use for storage computation, but their shit always fails.
16:10 JoeJulian Heh
16:11 cpetersen They used Citrix Xen back then.  They use VMware now.
16:11 JoeJulian <boggle>
16:11 cpetersen I think your idea is awesome.  Obviously using KVM, not ESXi, correct?
16:12 JoeJulian Hey, we're using this software that locks us in to doing things in a specific way that's kind of broken, can we switch to some other software that locks us in even harder?
16:12 JoeJulian We already do that with openstack+kvm. I'm talking about doing that with ESXi as well.
16:13 cpetersen OIC.
16:14 cpetersen So, a bit of news about Ganesha.
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16:14 cpetersen I took a tcpdump from when my NFS4.1 share wasn't coming back online after a failure in ESXi.
16:15 cpetersen Malahal pointed out that the ESXi client was using BIND_CONN_TO_SESSION which is not yet implemented in Ganesha.
16:15 cpetersen It's a change that could be coming soon as per mattbenjamin1.
16:16 cpetersen I'm curious if, because NFS4.1 is more stateful, that it could solve my problem of the brief split-brain.
16:16 cpetersen But I won't know until that is implemented.
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16:19 cpetersen I still don't think NFS3 would cause the split-brain.
16:21 cpetersen I think it's how vCenter manages the HA.  It touches each file, even the VM files that aren't affected by the HA failover.
16:21 JoeJulian The whole thing about a split-brain being "brief" makes me think it's a false positive.
16:21 cpetersen But it doesn't split-brain until that VIP failover.
16:21 JoeJulian split-brains either are are aren't.
16:21 JoeJulian are *or* aren't.
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16:22 cpetersen Yeah, I kinda thought that too.  It scares me half to death when it happens.  Basically it lists all of the VM files including the vmdk-flat and nvram files.
16:22 cpetersen And being a creature of habit, I always think, shit there is a problem - when split-brain happens.
16:25 cpetersen Interesting, this article suggests to mount each ESXi host to a different brick in the replicated cluster.
16:25 cpetersen http://www.rehmert.com/2015/03/software-defined-storage-for-vmware-vsphere-on-glusterfs-nfs/
16:25 cpetersen His setup is similar, just not with Ganesha.  Rather than using a float IP, he just mounts each brick independently.
16:26 cpetersen But that would create multi-path issues with HA, I'm sure...
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16:27 JoeJulian Make a split and get the ,,(extended attributes) from one or more reported file on the two remaining servers.
16:27 glusterbot (#1) To read the extended attributes on the server: getfattr -m .  -d -e hex {filename}, or (#2) For more information on how GlusterFS uses extended attributes, see this article: http://pl.atyp.us/hekafs.org/index.php/2011/04/glusterfs-extended-attributes/
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16:28 cpetersen Question, what is the difference between replicated and distributed-replicated?
16:29 cpetersen Is that the same thing?
16:29 JoeJulian distributed-replicated happens when you have a multiple of your replica count in bricks.
16:30 cpetersen OIC.  So 3 nodes, 2 replica bricks on each and all nodes replicate.
16:30 JoeJulian so, replica 3 with 6 bricks is going to distribute roughly half of your files to one set of three replica, and the other half to the other set of three.
16:30 cpetersen Ohhh, IC.
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16:32 cpetersen Have you ever heard of mounting GlusterFS natively within the ESXi console?
16:32 cpetersen Rather than using iSCSI or NFS?
16:32 JoeJulian No
16:33 cpetersen Ok :)
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19:48 telmich hello
19:48 glusterbot telmich: Despite the fact that friendly greetings are nice, please ask your question. Carefully identify your problem in such a way that when a volunteer has a few minutes, they can offer you a potential solution. These are volunteers, so be patient. Answers may come in a few minutes, or may take hours. If you're still in the channel, someone will eventually offer an answer.
19:48 telmich what can be the problem if I get the following error from qemu:
19:48 telmich Transport endpoint is not connected
19:50 JoeJulian telmich: That's a network error.
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20:10 post-factum telmich: or server is down, you know
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