Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #linuxvillage, 2013-04-18

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11:24 melodie joined #linuxvillage
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11:24 melodie salut !
11:36 H6r6tiqu6 o§
11:36 melodie salut H6r6tiqu6
11:37 melodie §^_^§
11:37 H6r6tiqu6 melodie: t'as vu le dernier article de korben.info ?
11:40 melodie non
11:40 melodie et toi tu as vu ça ?
11:40 melodie Old tricks are new again: Dangerous copy & paste - http://beta.linuxvillage.net/index.​php/topic,300.msg2020.html#msg2020
11:42 melodie H6r6tiqu6 tu parles de ça ? http://korben.info/les-risques-dopenbar-laccord-e​ntre-microsoft-et-le-ministere-de-la-defense.html
11:44 H6r6tiqu6 yepp
11:54 pdurbin this made me smile. so much kissing in France! https://plus.google.com/10436298​0539466846301/posts/JaqcUpryy7D
11:59 melodie hi pdurbin
12:00 melodie pdurbin I have answered your post at linuxvillage forum
12:11 melodie pdurbin Re : Learning new things online with universities - http://beta.linuxvillage.net/index.​php/topic,298.msg2021.html#msg2021
12:11 melodie if you have any questions please ask
14:33 slystone 'zour 'zour !
14:54 slystone melodie: il a l'air original le nouveau sur le fofo. Il a commencé avec les premiers pc, il travaille avec Fedora/CentOS, mais il a une adresse msn.
14:54 slystone C'est un combo plutôt rare.
14:58 pdurbin melodie: you cleaned up my links too! thanks!
14:58 pdurbin sorry about that
14:58 pdurbin it was a paste of markdown from my wiki
14:58 pdurbin melodie: can SMF support Markdown?
15:08 melodie pdurbin I don't know, you would need to ask at the #smf chan
15:08 melodie if they say there is a plugin I can probably install it (a mod)
15:10 pdurbin ok
15:10 melodie pdurbin I left one link for you to correct, the one with the link between parenthesis. If you select the text which you want to hyperlink then hit the "url" button, then all you have to do is past the link after the [url⁼ part of the [url=] tag
15:11 melodie slystone oui...
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16:55 pdurbin melodie: i need a markdown to bbcode conversion script, I guess
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17:21 melodie pdurbin I think you could also use the usual editor in the web browser : have you given it a try ?
17:24 melodie pdurbin if you hit the edit button of your post, you can see the bbcode tags, if you try to hit the "url" button in the text editor, it is the one on the left which has an "earth" icon, you will get {url][/url] - but if you select a text with the mouse, then hit the url button, you will get this : [url=] selected text [/url]
17:24 melodie then all you have to do is paste the direct url just after the = sign and you're done
17:25 melodie correction: you will get [url][/url]
17:25 melodie bb in a moment...
17:50 pdurbin melodie: but if I have a dozen URLs to convert, I'd rather have a script
18:10 melodie pdurbin this is why I have shown the Colt plugin for Firefox to you
18:10 melodie have you looked at it ?
18:10 melodie I paste most of my urls with it
18:17 pdurbin melodie: dude. I love the CoLT plugin. I'd be lost without it :)
18:17 melodie you'd rather say "dudette", wouldn't you ? :D
18:17 melodie have you tried just now ?
18:17 melodie :)
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18:22 melodie bienvenue NoNa ! \o/
18:22 NoNa merci melodie !o/
18:23 pdurbin melodie: I've been using CoLT for years. I bother the developer on Google+ all the time :)
18:23 melodie NoNa j'ai annoncé pour tous l'existence des cours nommés "OpenCourseWare" sur le forum, section "technical discussions"
18:24 NoNa ah d'accord
18:24 melodie pdurbin therefore you just have to select the bbcode in it from now on and you know it :)
18:24 melodie NoNa il y a les principaux liens
18:25 NoNa d'accord je note
18:25 melodie Learning new things online with universities - http://beta.linuxvillage.net/index.​php/topic,298.msg2016.html#msg2016
18:26 melodie là sur coursera.org par exemple c'est la semaine 0 pour l'introduction à python
18:26 NoNa ah d'accord
18:27 NoNa python m'interesse pas pour l'instant
18:27 melodie alors que sur edx.org les cours d'intro à l'info générale débuteront à l'automne, mais sont tous disponibles sous forme de cours en ligne avec vidéos, exercices et mailing list, plus une distro en machine virtuelle à télécharger et installer, avec les outils pour le cours dedans
18:27 melodie c'est un exemple, parce que c'est ce que je viens de prendre, manière de me dérouiller les méninges
18:27 NoNa j'ai javascript flash en ce moment...
18:27 NoNa huhu ok
18:28 NoNa je verrais durant les vacs j'ai 15 jours
18:28 melodie tu nous a pas dit comment s'est passé ton examen de mardi dernier ? tu en es sortie vivante ?
18:28 NoNa euh c'etait sur quoi ?
18:28 NoNa j'en ai eu toute la semaine
18:29 melodie c'est le jour où tu es partie du chan cyber-nux en disant que tu avais peur (ou un truc comme ça)
18:29 melodie mardi en fin d'après-midi
18:29 NoNa j'ai raté les maths, et l'oral du jury
18:29 melodie c'est grave, ou bien c'est rattrapable ?
18:29 NoNa apres j'ia reussi gestion de projet et la ce matin communication :)
18:30 NoNa et demain j'ai css et html
18:30 NoNa euh rattrapable à voir...
18:30 pdurbin melodie: I asked him to take bbcode out
18:30 melodie why did you do that ?
18:30 melodie I hope he won't !
18:30 pdurbin melodie: who uses bbcode? ;) ... this was a while ago
18:31 melodie I use bbcode and so do all the people who post at the forums such as SMF, phpBB, punBB and many more
18:31 melodie very few know the Colt plugin, but when I point to it, people find it nice
18:31 pdurbin oh. whoops. sorry
18:32 melodie grumbl!
18:32 NoNa crumble !
18:32 NoNa :D
18:32 H6r6tiqu6 :D
18:32 pdurbin tumbl
18:33 H6r6tiqu6 apple crumble :D
18:33 NoNa salut H6r6tiqu6
18:33 H6r6tiqu6 hi NoNa o/
18:36 melodie translation:
18:37 melodie pdurbin a dit au développeur du plugin Colt pour Firefox, dont je me sers quasi tout le temps pour paster des urls sur les forums, de supprimer l'option bbcode dans le plugin ! horreur !
18:37 melodie o_o
18:37 pdurbin horreur!
18:40 H6r6tiqu6 O.O
18:41 melodie pdurbin indeed. :>
18:41 melodie :p
18:42 melodie I'll have to get my mozilla password reset to go there bring a testimonial about my use of the plugin.
18:43 melodie the two options which I just most are bbcode and copy as plain text, for what html is concerned it is only really once a while when blogging on wordpress
19:06 melodie qui ici connaît l'arithmétique, le python, et peut m'aider à cerner un petit détail ?
19:07 melodie que veut dire la ligne 12 ? what does the lign #12 mean ? http://pastebin.fr/27083
19:08 melodie "is boring" ? how ?
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20:00 melodie je fais une pause - taking a short break
20:00 melodie pdurbin do you know that a ternary computer had been started to be built, around 1956 or so ?
20:00 melodie qui a entendu parler des ordinateurs ternaires ?
20:04 melodie Setun, l’ordinateur trinaire - http://melodie.citrotux.org/2012/​02/28/setun-lordinateur-trinaire/
20:06 melodie pdurbin if you read or heard about it, please let me know what you think
20:34 pdurbin melodie: the building next to mine has this computer from 1944: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_Mark_I
20:43 melodie pdurbin what you are showing to me is a binary computer, isn't it ?
20:43 melodie 0 1
20:43 melodie 1 0 and so on
20:45 melodie this is an online simulator for the ternary computer: http://en.trinary.ru/projects/setunws
20:45 melodie and at sourceforge some things about the project http://sourceforge.net/projects/tunguska
21:06 pdurbin melodie: interesting. crazy
21:12 pdurbin melodie: it was fusetalk I suggested that CoLT should drop, not bbcode: https://twitter.com/philipdur​bin/status/171968635143847937 (fusetalk and bbcode are the same to me... stuff I don't use) ;)
21:13 pdurbin see also "Replaced the default FuseTalk custom format with the somewhat more prevalent Markdown format." at http://www.borngeek.com/firefox/colt/change-log/
21:13 melodie I am sure if some people use fusetalk it is useful to them
21:13 melodie although I don't know what fusetalk is
21:13 pdurbin heh. me neither. kill it! ;)
21:13 melodie what for ?
21:13 melodie no need to kill something which can be useful to someone else
21:14 pdurbin let's start a hashtag: #fightsoftwarebloat
21:14 pdurbin ;)
21:14 melodie what about ternary ? have you read the full page from the link in my blog ?
21:14 melodie no I am in the middle of my first quizz in the python course :)
21:15 melodie there is an error show by the tool codeskultor but I have no idea why it errors
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21:20 pdurbin_m melodie: I just looked
21:34 pdurbin_m I can read half of it :)
21:35 pdurbin_m your tool has a tetris game
21:40 melodie what about the full text
21:41 melodie let me get at it
21:42 melodie one of the texts has disappeared, here is the other one:
21:42 melodie http://www.computer-museum.ru/english/setun.htm
21:42 melodie trying the wayback machine to find the text which disappeared
21:43 melodie found it
21:43 melodie http://web.archive.org/web/20000201022421/htt​p://www.icfcst.kiev.ua/museum/Brusentsov.html
21:43 melodie ':-)
21:43 melodie it might be something immportant in the history of the computer
21:50 pdurbin might be. or a dead end
21:52 melodie if no one having the relevant knowledge puts on eye on it, we will never know
21:53 melodie an eye
21:53 melodie *
21:53 * pdurbin looks at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki​/Ternary_computer#The_future
21:54 pdurbin yeah. i dunno. not so important, i think
21:55 pdurbin now this... this might be the future, people say. I've definitly heard of this: Quantum computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_computer
22:03 pdurbin melodie: I just linked back her in a comment to the CoLT developer: https://plus.google.com/11507719​2943664521829/posts/hxxntMorcVq :)
22:07 melodie pdurbin as you communicate with him on a regular basis, do you think he would be interested in offering the possibility to show or hide at will the kind of copy/paste available in the right-click ? there are some which I don't use, and perhaps there are some which I would want to be available once a while, and that it would be nice to be able to enable on the fly when needed (from the preferences)
22:07 melodie what do you think ?
22:08 pdurbin well, he's making that import/export feature. that should help
22:08 melodie I just looked at the preferences, what I am talking about is not available, so as he asks for ideas to make it more powerful, could you point again, to the present discussion ?
22:09 pdurbin oh. "on the fly" hmm
22:09 melodie :)
22:09 melodie well in the preferences, which is almost the same
22:10 pdurbin sure, i just posted another link
22:10 melodie ie : I don't use fusetalk nor Wikipedia or Rich text, but I just bbcode, plain text often, and html just once a while
22:10 melodie and what would be nice would to have also DokuWiki syntax for instance
22:11 melodie of course a right-click which is too crowded can become confusing..
22:11 melodie however have lots of options possible is very nice
22:13 pdurbin reminds me of this: Your company’s app vs. typical Apple and Google products | Things Could Be Worse - http://verkoren.wordpress.com/2012/04/07/your-co​mpanys-app-vs-typical-apple-and-google-products/
22:35 melodie what in English has for name "period" ?
22:36 melodie I just failed on a question because I didn't get it right
22:36 melodie it's not a dot ?
22:36 melodie is it a , ?
22:45 pdurbin_m a period is a .
22:51 melodie then there is something I don't understand in their questions. :)
22:51 melodie I assumed a period is a dot so I should not have had a bad score on that one question imo
22:53 melodie but I will check about it
22:54 melodie a find in my system says I can't be that wrong.... :p
22:55 pdurbin_m oh. the quiz
22:57 melodie I have got the result right on a type of arithmetic question I didn't even know I was able to answer right, and about this simple question about the python extention possible names, where I answered "py" and "pyc" (of course what else?) the quizz says I'm wrong ! :o
22:57 melodie extension*
22:58 pdurbin_m hmm
22:58 melodie I think they didn't expect pyc as a possible answer... perhaps
23:00 melodie for instance, on pyc file in my system:
23:00 melodie "./usr/lib/python3.3/tkinter/test/test_tkint​er/__pycache__/test_variables.cpython-33.pyc
23:00 melodie "
23:00 melodie so ?
23:04 melodie ^^
23:14 melodie pdurbin with all theses universities providing courses online wouldn't it be nice to have an IRC chan, which could be dedicated to them all ? something such as #opencoursware ?
23:14 melodie or better, #OpenCourseWare ?
23:17 pdurbin_m hmm. good idea!
23:19 pdurbin_m or a separate one for computer science?
23:21 melodie what about one for a start, which would have for goal to make people meet together, and be the first place from where specialities could start from ?
23:22 pdurbin_m makes sense
23:23 melodie generally one IRC place first needs a common goal, then when enough people join it some of them might be the actors for new places where many people can join for more specific needs
23:23 pdurbin_m what about podcasts about similar subjects?
23:23 melodie join in*
23:23 melodie pdurbin  I am not aware about podcasts. can people interact as we do on IRC ?
23:24 melodie ?
23:28 pdurbin_m with the people making the podcasts? most of them are very friendly
23:32 melodie well, could you try to explain what a podcast is and how it is working, as if you explained it to your youngest child ? (I think some are very young indeed)
23:33 melodie sorry but "this is nice" and "this is friendly" does not explain much to me :)
23:34 melodie about IRC: me explaining to a new comer:
23:34 pdurbin_m typing slowly from a phone
23:34 melodie "it is an internet protocol which allows two or more people to have discussions through a windowed progrem, using a keyboard to type their messages"
23:34 melodie pdurbin_m this is very courageous :)
23:35 melodie s/progrem/program/
23:35 pdurbin_m where is that quote from?
23:35 melodie melodie> about IRC: me explaining to a new comer:
23:35 melodie I have a few people who I teach using a computer
23:36 melodie basics...
23:36 melodie using a light gnu/linux distro
23:38 pdurbin oh, you're talking about IRC. I was talking about podcasts
23:39 pdurbin melodie: you don't know what a podcast is?
23:40 melodie I don't even have an idea what it looks like using it
23:41 melodie pdurbin : "<melodie> pdurbin  I am not aware about podcasts. can people interact as we do on IRC ? "
23:41 pdurbin does the word broadcast mean anything to you?
23:41 pdurbin broadcast television?
23:41 melodie yes, this is sending something afar
23:41 pdurbin right. over the air
23:41 melodie broad : wide and cast would mean something as publish, send
23:41 pdurbin at least it used to be over the air
23:42 pdurbin podcast is a play on the word broadcast
23:42 melodie I now about cast I think but podcast is a bit exotic to me ^^
23:42 pdurbin the "pod" part is from Apple's iPod
23:42 melodie (I just finished my first "mini project" too in the meanwhile)
23:42 melodie never thought it would be that easy
23:42 pdurbin most people put music on their iPod. but you can put "spoken word" on it too
23:42 melodie arrrhhh
23:43 melodie apple... /o\ XD
23:43 melodie you and your fellow from that university are the rare I have seen who can use Apple computers and GNU/Linux distro as well
23:44 melodie ok so what about podcasts then ?
23:45 melodie btw I have seen mini keyboards for smartphones in some hypermarkets...
23:45 melodie :)
23:45 melodie big as a small calculator, don't know if that would help
23:46 pdurbin melodie: here. this podcast might be of interest to linuxvillage: http://hackerpublicradio.org
23:47 pdurbin or this one: http://twit.tv/show/floss-weekly
23:48 pdurbin to be clear, you don't need an iPod to listen to podcasts. I use my Android phone
23:56 pdurbin melodie: if you want more explanation of what a podcast is, please just let me know
23:56 melodie this is radio kind of
23:56 melodie right ?
23:56 pdurbin right
23:57 melodie some people publish sound, words, stories, music, others listen
23:57 pdurbin melodie: meanwhile... the CoLT developer replied to your feature request: https://plus.google.com/11507719​2943664521829/posts/hxxntMorcVq
23:57 pdurbin melodie: yes, exactly
23:58 melodie about OpenCourseWare and IRC is a very different idea
23:58 melodie pdurbin :
23:58 melodie Jonah Bishop01:38 (modification)
23:58 melodie Répondre
23:58 melodie Interesting idea, though it seems to me that deleting the formats you don't want to see is the answer. Restoring the defaults is as easy as exporting them before you change, and importing afterwards (there's also a hack-y about:config way).
23:58 melodie this would mean:
23:59 melodie you first delete them all. one day you will restore them **all**
23:59 melodie just because you will once a while need one of the three or more that you don't usually use
23:59 melodie this is not the same thing as having each type of copy/paste feature available as an individual choice. :)

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