Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #linuxvillage, 2013-06-07

| Channels | #linuxvillage index | Today | | Search | Google Search | Plain-Text | summary

All times shown according to UTC.

Time Nick Message
05:25 _ilbot joined #linuxvillage
05:25 Topic for #linuxvillage is now Les nouvelles, get the news: http://linuxvillage.org :: canal LinuxVillage :: log: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/linuxvillage :: http://irclog.spacecompute.com/linuxvillage
09:33 arthefact joined #linuxvillage
09:51 Biaise joined #linuxvillage
10:01 arthefact joined #linuxvillage
10:54 arthefact joined #linuxvillage
10:54 arthefact joined #linuxvillage
12:38 olivier_griffet_ joined #linuxvillage
12:38 olivier_griffet_ left #linuxvillage
12:59 arthyx_ joined #linuxvillage
13:36 arthefact joined #linuxvillage
13:36 arthefact joined #linuxvillage
15:05 arthefact joined #linuxvillage
15:05 arthefact joined #linuxvillage
17:45 titenana joined #linuxvillage
17:45 titenana joined #linuxvillage
17:48 arthefact joined #linuxvillage
17:48 arthefact joined #linuxvillage
17:57 coyotus joined #linuxvillage
18:37 ben2morrow joined #linuxvillage
18:37 ben2morrow joined #linuxvillage
18:48 arthefact joined #linuxvillage
18:48 arthefact joined #linuxvillage
19:01 TrollSawyer joined #linuxvillage
19:01 TrollSawyer joined #linuxvillage
19:21 NoNa joined #linuxvillage
20:03 melodie joined #linuxvillage
20:03 melodie joined #linuxvillage
20:04 melodie salut, hi
20:07 slystone 'lut melodie §
20:08 slystone Tu m'as HL l'autre jour, mais j'étais encore à l'autre bout de Paname.
20:08 slystone Bon ce soir j'ai un strap au genou, donc je devrais être dans le coin (la gravité a gagné pour une fois).
20:10 melodie salut slystone
20:10 melodie ah, ah ha !
20:10 melodie je crois que tu pourrais être intéressé pour écrire un article sur un sujet chaud, même un sujet brûlant ! ^^
20:11 melodie en anglais et en français d'ailleurs
20:12 slystone melodie: j'écoute. :)
20:15 melodie j'ai trouvé un log spammé dans les logs du serveur du forum linuxvillage, il comporte de grands noms issus de l'industrie du luxe, et leurs "fiers marketeurs" associés qui se targuent de faire un marketing de grande portée pour un prix très concurrentiel! logs, plus logs plus vu un forum spammé à mort par ces gens et ça doit être facile d'en trouver bien d'autres. je crois que ce serait cool de publier sur eux ?
20:15 slystone hin ! hin ! hin !
20:16 melodie ^_o
20:16 slystone Ça pourrait être sympa en effet. ^^
20:16 slystone Je vais miamer d'abord. ++
20:17 melodie ok !
20:17 melodie bon appétiti
20:17 melodie -i
20:52 arthefact joined #linuxvillage
20:52 arthefact joined #linuxvillage
20:56 NoNa joined #linuxvillage
21:15 NoNa joined #linuxvillage
21:19 slystone re
21:25 pdurbin slystone: hi
21:26 slystone Hi pdurbin! :)
21:26 slystone How are you?
21:26 pdurbin fine. a little wet from biking home :)
21:27 slystone Well, nothing like a good shower to pedal a little faster. ^^
21:27 pdurbin slystone: I'm curious about this article you were translating: http://falkvinge.net/2013/06/04/how-bitcoin-​can-bring-down-the-united-states-of-america/ ... how truthful do you think it is?
21:27 pdurbin when I read it I kept thinking, "citation needed" :)
21:28 slystone pdurbin: I have no freaking idea. It was the first time I discovered Orlov, there is actually no entry for him on the French Wikipedia.
21:28 pdurbin from what I understand the United States owes most of its debt to itself
21:28 pdurbin hmm. ok
21:28 slystone pdurbin: it's hard today to know who owes the debt of who.
21:29 pdurbin I'm told that Paul Krugman is a good source for accurate information about US debt and economy issues: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Krugman
21:29 slystone We have a big one in France too (it's around the same percentage compared to the one you have).
21:29 melodie joined #linuxvillage
21:29 pdurbin interesting. ok
21:29 pdurbin slystone: but you were interested enough to translate it... so I assume you believed most of the article :)
21:29 slystone pdurbin: half of the time when I'm translating some articles, I discover some new things, it's part of the reason why I'm doing it.
21:32 pdurbin ah. ok
21:32 slystone pdurbin: I do not necessarily believe it. But bitcoin is new and interesting. And plenty of people believe in it though they do not understand the first bit about bitcoin (myself included).
21:32 pdurbin I just don't like how the author seems to *want* the US to come crashing down. hard.
21:32 pdurbin no food in the suburbs. etc.
21:33 pdurbin it's pretty disturbing
21:33 slystone But since bitcoin has been banned by the SEC, it's always interested to lend it a voice.
21:33 slystone pdurbin: yep, his vision is very warped. :/
21:33 pdurbin sure. I find bitcoin mildly interesting ;)
21:33 melodie I'm catching with the discussion here. What is the "SEC"  please?
21:34 pdurbin U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._​Securities_and_Exchange_Commission
21:36 melodie no one should forbid people from trying to use alternative ways of exchanging goods and services, because in most cases when people do so it is to fill a gap, a need which is not filled by the usual ways
21:36 slystone pdurbin: I know the article is biased and a little demeaning about the USA. I still thought it was worth it translating it (and your outrage is justified, I won't deny it).
21:37 melodie however I am not sure bitcoin is the ideal way, although I don't mind it exists (even though not made to last : I have watched some videos conferences about it before)
21:38 slystone melodie: you've told me about some spammers. Can you tell me a little bit more?
21:38 melodie yes sure
21:40 melodie since we moved from kegtux.org to o2switch.net, the company where I have my own little website (not citrotux.org, something more personal meant to reflect the services we want to sell), the forum has met with issues related to database access problems, and I have started first to track down possible sources such as spammers
21:41 melodie there was a table damaged in the database, but once repaired the issues related to it didn't occur anymore, but other errors do occur
21:41 melodie seeking for anything of interest in the logs, I have see appear a certain number of things
21:41 melodie there are 3 places where we can see what goes on
21:42 melodie in the "who is online" from the index of the forum, in the logs of Apachee in the admin board of the hosting (a CPanel) and in the admin board of the forum itself
21:44 melodie in one of the logs (there is one archive for each urls linking to the forum, which are several for the time being) I found a large list of hits coming from companies known on the web as "marketers", with a sub domain having for name famous well known brands of the industry in luxury products, such as shoes for women, bags, and more
21:44 melodie yesterday evening I decided to put my look elsewhere for a change and went to seek for some new wordpress theme, try some, get them, find out how they work.
21:45 melodie while doing that I met with a forum related to one of the themes : the forum is full with the spams of mostly the same people which I found in one of the server logs.
21:45 melodie I think this is a great shame
21:46 melodie I am not going to quote any of them here. This would advertise for them!
21:47 melodie just an example without a name, for here:
21:47 melodie XZ Corporation provides comprehensive marketing solutions and technology services that
21:47 melodie empower marketers to drive revenue, lower costs and continuously ...
21:47 melodie do you fancy ?
21:47 melodie lower costs! of course!
21:47 slystone Can I watch the whole damn thing somewhere?
21:47 melodie that's the low cost! http://vatuma.com/support
21:48 melodie slystone sure, I can send a mail to you with the content of the logs if you want to
21:48 slystone melodie: if you don't mind, it would be great, yes!
21:48 melodie you will find the same exact links as most of the ones you will find in the above link... as I just said
21:48 melodie I check if I have your mail...
21:49 slystone I'm not doing anything tonight (too tired), but I'll have a look at it, and maybe write a blog post.
21:49 slystone melodie: slystone@legtux.orgù
21:49 melodie ok
21:50 melodie do you think you are interested to write and publish an article about it?
21:50 slystone melodie: well, I cannot say before seeing the logs.
21:51 slystone melodie: jujusete is in the jury for the Big Brother Awards, we should have some awards for the spammers too.
21:51 melodie oh ! So !
21:52 melodie wait a second!
21:53 slystone pdurbin: you don't hold a grudge against me because of the article, do you?
21:54 melodie slystone the mail might be arriving in your box right now
21:54 slystone Cheers!
21:55 melodie ^_^
21:55 melodie who is jujusete?
21:56 slystone OK, je regarde le tout demain à tête reposée. :)
21:56 melodie slystone if there are articles and awards won at the Big Brother Awards, make sure to let me know all along how things are doing. and if it is also possible to see a "tribune" or a "journal" at dlfp
21:57 slystone melodie: Jujusete is a member of TdCT.
21:57 melodie ok
21:57 slystone She is also a journalist who's covered the Arab uprising in Egypt and Tunisia, she was in egypt in 2009.
21:58 melodie c'est pour quand les BBA ?
21:58 slystone 26 juin
21:58 melodie oh! someone very engaged
21:58 slystone There is a website.
21:58 melodie c'est très bientôt alors...
21:58 slystone melodie: yep. She invited me for a meal once, she's very nice. :)
21:58 melodie n'hésites pas à me renvoyer un mail pour avoir tes premières impressions ?
21:58 melodie great!
21:58 slystone melodie: Demain. :)
21:59 melodie oui bien sûr, j'ai vu quelle heure il est :D
21:59 slystone ^^
21:59 slystone http://bigbrotherawards.eu.org/
21:59 melodie j'aime beaucoup ton style, après avoir lu quelques lignes sur ton blog, ça pourra être intéressant si tu décides de t'y pencher
21:59 pdurbin_m joined #linuxvillage
22:00 pdurbin_m slystone: of course not :)
22:00 pdurbin_m I'm picking up my kids. in the rain
22:00 melodie slystone je pensais à une autre url que je voulais te passer mais ça ne fait que aller et venir dans mon esprit...
22:00 melodie pdurbin_m uh!
22:00 slystone pdurbin_m: is it the monsoon in Boston? ^^
22:00 melodie we also had lots of rain lately down South France
22:02 melodie slystone I was thinking about DLFP because of this recently happened: Pourquoi les geeks attaquent ? - http://linuxvillage.net/index.ph​p/topic,379.msg2583.html#msg2583
22:02 melodie especially the associated content: https://linuxfr.org/news/message-du-p​resident-directeur-general-de-linkeo
22:03 slystone Mouarf, I've seen this, it's been pretty wicked.
22:04 melodie the methods of the linkeo company having been publicly criticized on DLFP, the company sent a newbie advocate to send a threatening message to DLFP: they had to step backwards very fast!
22:04 slystone And your text is so funny!
22:04 melodie whose text?
22:04 slystone The geeks are nice little busy bees. And sometimes killer bees!
22:05 slystone The one by mimas.
22:05 melodie mimas just brought back the link and a quote
22:05 slystone It's a shame he's not quoting the source.
22:05 melodie the guy who wrote has for nick Big Pete
22:05 pdurbin_m slystone: also... not enraged exactly. not that strong. but I question the author because of his attitude
22:05 melodie he does quote the source
22:06 melodie I quote him quoting the source: "La suite : https://linuxfr.org/nodes/98512/comments/1456553"
22:06 melodie :)
22:06 slystone pdurbin_m: and you're right. I was dubious too. And so are the readers on Framablog.
22:07 slystone pdurbin_m: http://www.framablog.org/index.php/​post/2013/06/06/bitcoin-dollar-usa
22:08 slystone melodie: oups, sorry!
22:08 slystone What's the English for boulet?
22:08 melodie not sure
22:08 slystone It's late, I'm tired, blablabla
22:08 melodie pdurbin guess what this ascii drawing means ? →
22:09 melodie o-o-o-o-o----O
22:09 melodie :D
22:09 slystone Oh, found it! Quel boulet ←→ What a drag
22:09 melodie °-°-°-°-°-----O
22:09 melodie slystone comment as-tu trouvé ? :D
22:09 slystone wordreference
22:10 melodie ah ! great place !
22:10 slystone It's pretty good.
22:10 slystone melodie: yep!
22:10 melodie mais comment ?
22:10 slystone I just wish the website would be free.ù
22:10 melodie je ne vois pas, explique ?
22:10 melodie http://www.wordreference.com/fren/quel%20boulet
22:10 melodie ça ça ne donne rien, comment fais-tu ?
22:11 slystone Search boulet
22:11 melodie ah juste boulet
22:11 melodie oui vu
22:11 slystone Yep!
22:11 slystone It's not very good at finding expressions or compound names.
22:12 melodie en général les sources des citations sont au début d'un post, lui a mis le lien à la fin, ce qui est assez inattendu
22:12 soulshake 'what a drag' is not referring to a person, fyi
22:12 slystone But you have a forum, so you just need to use the Iceweasel find tool to click on the right entry.
22:12 soulshake i would translate 'boulet' as 'a dope'
22:12 soulshake or a doofus
22:12 soulshake if you're talking about a person
22:12 soulshake (depends on the context, obviously)
22:13 slystone They seem to say klutz
22:13 slystone pdurbin_m: what's your opinion?
22:13 slystone http://forum.wordreference.​com/showthread.php?t=75486
22:13 pdurbin_m It's wet
22:14 slystone Definitely the monsoon then! ^^
22:14 pdurbin_m cats and dogs
22:14 melodie hi soulshake! how are you?
22:14 soulshake bien et toi ?
22:14 soulshake klutz = a clumsy person
22:15 melodie soulshake what does "doofus" refer to basically?
22:15 melodie slystone soulshake is very good at French! I recommend he advise! :)
22:15 slystone pdurbin_m: we're trying to find a translation for the French expression « quel boulet ! »
22:15 melodie s/he/her/
22:16 melodie soulshake he was talking about himself.
22:16 slystone A boulet in French is someone who makes some obvious mistakes, bothers other people before rtfming…
22:17 slystone makes a fool of him/herself…
22:17 soulshake https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Adoofus
22:17 melodie I am still following the discussion, being always interested in learning about typical details of the English language
22:18 slystone soulshake: so what a dope? Is this your final word?
22:19 pdurbin_m a tool
22:19 melodie boulet, in the reverse Encyclopedia: http://desencyclopedie.wikia.com/wiki/Boulet
22:20 soulshake dope has many meanings, but in this context it's about the same as doofus
22:20 soulshake a dunderhead
22:20 slystone pdurbin_m: isn't a tool someone who is easily manipulated, or overzealous?
22:20 soulshake a tool for me c'est un peu comme un beauf (bof?)
22:20 pdurbin_m not in my book
22:21 slystone I'm learning plenty tonight. :)
22:21 melodie soulshake : dunderhead/abruti ?
22:21 soulshake exact
22:21 slystone ^^
22:21 slystone pdurbin_m: ok :)
22:22 pdurbin_m ignoramus
22:22 melodie soulshake beauf, from a movie "le beauf" who is really the contraction of "beau-frère", and that "beau-frère" (brother in law) is someone with some low level manners
22:23 slystone pdurbin_m: it's a little too strong. A boulet can be pretty knowledgeable, but still make some stupid mistakes.
22:23 melodie since the movie was out, "beauf" is a popular way to point to someone who has a high idea of himself, show off, and quite rustique
22:23 pdurbin_m dimwit
22:25 pdurbin absent-minded
22:26 melodie pdurbin_m "boulet" is a heavy metal ball that was used to be attached by a heavy chain to the foot of prisonners sent to jail or penal colony. So treating oneself of "boulet" means he thinks he has been heavy on that one mistake. Any word in English to say the same thing?
22:27 pdurbin heavy on that one mistake...
22:27 melodie heavy when doing that mistake
22:27 pdurbin "ball and chain" means something different to us :)
22:28 pdurbin treating oneself?
22:28 melodie this is why an equivalent would need to be found, not a direct translation.
22:28 melodie yes
22:28 melodie it is quite common on chans in fact :)
22:29 melodie and I have seen it on forums too, and irl sometimes
22:29 melodie what does "ball and chain" mean?
22:29 pdurbin treating oneself or calling oneself?
22:29 melodie how different is it?
22:30 pdurbin quite
22:30 pdurbin I treat myself to some ice cream now and then
22:30 melodie I think probably "calling himself"
22:30 pdurbin ok
22:30 pdurbin Lyrics:Lucky Ball & Chain - TMBW: The They Might Be Giants Knowledge Base - http://tmbw.net/wiki/Lyrics:Lucky_Ball_%26_Chain
22:30 melodie <pdurbin> I treat myself to some ice cream now and then // This makes me image you diving into an ice cream pool.
22:30 melodie I don't know why. XD
22:31 pdurbin yum
22:31 melodie lol!
22:31 * pdurbin goes to cook dinner
22:31 melodie aha
22:31 melodie 0:30 +2.00 here :)
22:32 melodie the dinner is behind
22:32 melodie soulshake are you about to have dinner now?
22:32 soulshake yep
22:32 soulshake brb restart
22:32 melodie ok
22:32 melodie pdurbin so treating yourself: ice cream as meds?
22:41 slystone is shoulshake American?
22:42 melodie yes, she is from US
22:42 melodie about in the middle of US, not that far from where the big storm was, not that long ago
22:42 melodie heard about it?
22:43 melodie it was a big tornado which has caused terrible damages: http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/a​rchive/2013/05/tornadoes-in-america-the​-oklahoma-disaster-in-context/276063/
22:43 melodie however she is not in the same State
22:43 melodie I think...
22:44 melodie a little further
22:44 melodie djohnston is from there, but has fortunately not been hit by the tornado
22:45 melodie slystone you have a very rich vocabulary in English, at least it seems to me
22:47 slystone melodie: Ok. I'm glad they're ok. I've seen the news on BBC World News, it seemed to have destroyed everything on its path.
22:48 slystone melodie: well, I did some English studies and I've been working in the UK and in Canada, so it helps!
22:48 melodie have you been there a long time?
22:49 slystone But I have to keep reading, listening, and speaking, otherwise I forget a lot.
22:49 melodie and yes, the tornadoes in these parts of US seem quite terrible. They should have special buildings for their protection.
22:50 slystone melodie: 8 months each time. I've been a French assistant in a secondary school in England (Dorset), and a French assistant at Wilfrid Laurier University in Waterloo, ON, Canada.
22:50 soulshake joined #linuxvillage
22:50 slystone melodie: I don't even know if a special building would withstand such a devastating force.
22:51 slystone Or they would have to be subterrean.
22:51 slystone I especially loved Canada, it was a blast! ♥
22:51 melodie slystone how lucky! yes, lucky you!
22:52 melodie soulshake welcome back
22:53 melodie I was waiting for you to come back I want to share here a nice story djohston posted at the forum:
22:53 melodie Endal - http://linuxvillage.net/index.php/topic,384.0.html
22:53 melodie +n
22:53 melodie djohnston
22:53 slystone melodie: I know I was. But you know, there aren't that many French students willing to cross the ocean. Once when I was not of age to be able to apply for a position, my teacher of American civilization told us that 4 seats were vacant for the USA (Chicago and elsewhere). He couldn't believe nobody wanted to apply.
22:54 melodie o_o
22:54 melodie seats for what types of positions?
22:54 slystone melodie: that was pretty much my reaction.
22:56 slystone French assistants/lecturers. That means a grant to study and get a master, and a paid job. A very sweet deal in other words.
22:56 melodie well you didn't go either, is that right?
22:57 slystone I couldn't apply then, I still did not have a BA, and it was mandatory.
22:57 slystone I applied afterwards.
22:57 melodie BA?
22:57 slystone Bachelor of Arts = licence
22:57 melodie oh so
22:58 melodie what happened when you applied afterwards?
22:58 slystone melodie: Well, I got it. ^^
22:59 melodie you said about England and Canada so far, not about US?
22:59 melodie or are you just saying you applied for the license, not about the position for some vacant seats?
23:00 slystone melodie: you can't apply everywhere, it's for two years only.
23:01 melodie slystone je n'ai pas tout compris
23:01 melodie tu t'es inscrit pour bosser, ou pour aller étudier ? et il te fallait une license en arts ?
23:02 slystone Au Canada c'était juste pour bosser, mais c'était déjà cool. :)
23:03 slystone Pinaise, j'ai réussi à déterrer le blog que j'avais fait à l'époque (très petit pour mon premier), il est envahiu de spams !
23:04 melodie ah oui
23:04 melodie laisse-moi deviner quels spams, quelques noms célèbres ? :D
23:04 melodie il est enterré sous les spams donc ?
23:05 melodie 0_0 O_O o_o °-°
23:05 melodie +_+
23:46 Biaise joined #linuxvillage
23:50 pdurbin if I asked a stupid question in a forum I would probably follow up with something like "sorry, I'm a moron."
23:54 melodie pdurbin this seems very hard to me, but you would know better...
23:55 melodie salut Biaise
23:55 * melodie going
23:55 melodie good night, bonne nuit

| Channels | #linuxvillage index | Today | | Search | Google Search | Plain-Text | summary