Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #linuxvillage, 2013-07-20

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19:24 OnlyHuman :)
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20:18 melodie_ salut
20:18 pdurbin cha plop
20:19 melodie_ hello pdurbin, yes I'm fine, thank you XD
20:19 pdurbin melodie_: what does cha mean?
20:20 melodie_ it's an idiotic way to ask "ça" (pronounce ssa)
20:20 melodie_ :D
20:20 melodie_ and "cha plop" is a little friendly way and a bit familiar to say "how are you?"
20:20 melodie_ on IRC
20:21 pdurbin oh!
20:21 melodie_ do you know or do you know someone who can help me with the colors in a plymouth text file ?
20:21 melodie_ I need to know what
20:21 pdurbin crimsonfubot: lucky plymouth text file
20:21 crimsonfubot pdurbin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Plymouth
20:22 pdurbin 'Plymouth is the application which provides the graphical "splash" screen when booting and shutting down an Ubuntu system.'
20:22 melodie_ black white brown blue are for ?
20:22 pdurbin melodie_: I don't understand your question
20:23 melodie_ I guess you don't
20:23 melodie_ I'll pastebin the file
20:24 melodie_ http://pastebin.fr/28060
20:24 melodie_ in Gimp I don't see black white brown blue
20:25 pdurbin melodie_: some color tools at http://irclog.greptilian.com​/sourcefu/2013-05-21#i_7914
20:26 melodie_ thanks but this is not the problem
20:27 melodie_ see the pastebin and try to figure out what the lines do?
20:27 pdurbin melodie_: they look like hex colors to me...
20:28 melodie_ yes, but why : black is dark purple,
20:28 melodie_ white is (white?)
20:28 melodie_ then
20:29 melodie_ brown
20:29 pdurbin melodie_: time to re-calibrate your monitor? ;)
20:29 melodie_ is a bright red
20:29 melodie_ pdurbin just take each code and put it in a color tool, gcolor or else: my monitor is fine
20:30 melodie_ I'm redoing the file for the next ubuntu openbox boot splash in the live cd
20:30 melodie_ black=0x2c001e
20:30 melodie_ white=0xffffff
20:30 melodie_ brown=0xff4012
20:30 melodie_ blue=0x988592
20:30 melodie_ and blue is:
20:31 melodie_ grey, almost purple but very light
20:32 melodie_ I can compare with the file for the lubuntu-text-plymouth but I would have liked to have a more clear defintion about what each line do
20:35 melodie_ pdurbin ?
20:41 pdurbin melodie_: yes, http://www.color-hex.com/color/988592 is grey, almost purple
20:42 melodie_ I think
20:42 melodie_ "black" is for the background
20:42 melodie_ "white" : nothing special for what I can see right now
20:43 melodie_ "brown" : for a text
20:43 melodie_ "blue" : maybe the title going on with the splash, not sure
20:45 melodie_ I'm going to grep into... I don't know what. I don't even know what is the file which calls them files
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21:16 joshu_ hi everyone
21:16 pdurbin joshu_: hi
21:16 melodie_ hi joshu_ welcome !
21:16 joshu_ thank you
21:17 joshu_ so melodie_ let me explain what I need to do
21:17 melodie_ joshu_ I would like to introduce you to Linuxvillage: we are a bilingual community, English and French speaking
21:17 melodie_ joshu_ sure, go ahead
21:18 joshu_ cool I used to live in France…written French a bit rusty but salut ;)
21:18 melodie_ salut :)
21:19 joshu_ so I need to create a laptop thin client for a user. As there are very few commercial laptop thin client solution I am "forced" to create my own.
21:19 joshu_ Basically I will purchase a new laptop HP very basic HP 655. I need to create a minimal custom ubuntu OS that only needs to do a couple of things.
21:19 melodie_ just a client?
21:20 joshu_ melodie_ ?
21:20 melodie_ what does it have to do?
21:20 joshu_ ok xo
21:20 melodie_ yes, wondering if htere is a server somewhere
21:21 joshu_ *so I want it to be as simple for the user as possible as she is very not tech savvy
21:21 joshu_ yes there is a windows terminal server
21:21 joshu_ I want the user to be able to power on the laptop
21:21 joshu_ plug in either an ethernet cable or a USB modem
21:21 joshu_ the user is greeted with a login screen
21:21 melodie_ Windows Terminal Server ?
21:22 melodie_ what programs do you want to be installed in it ?
21:22 joshu_ enters username/ password, the laptop OS checks for network connectivity. If the USB modem is attached connect to the 3G network. Once the laptop has an internet connection start a VPN connection and finally an RDP connection to the windows server
21:23 melodie_ ok
21:23 joshu_ the laptop is basically "useless" if there is not internet connection and it is not connected to the windows server. All the user's work will take place on the windows server.
21:23 joshu_ Does this make sense?
21:23 melodie_ we have a good basis on which you can work
21:23 melodie_ what would be nice:
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21:24 melodie_ when you will work on it, would be to do a copy of each configuration file you will add, with the information on where it goes in the system, and what programs you will add
21:24 melodie_ once I have configured one of those 3G usb sticks and it was easy because the driver existed in the repositories
21:24 joshu_ if it is too difficult to make it so "automatic" for the user, e.g. just provides username/ pass and OS takes care of VPN, RDP, USB modem…then I'll have to explain to the user how to start those things manually
21:24 melodie_ so you might need to choose it carefully thinking of what package you will install
21:25 melodie_ you don't have to, there is a mean for the user to be logged in automatically at the end of the boot: if that is relevant to do so in the case you will work on
21:25 joshu_ I have a USB modem which I have tested in a standard Ubuntu Desktop 12.04 install and it works great. But I have never created a custom ubuntu OS as I have described
21:26 melodie_ for the windows server I am unsure, however I don't doubt some people on our forum could tell you if that is likely to be done and if it can be done easily
21:26 melodie_ I am using Ubuntu Builder, which is a great tool that works well for what I need to do:
21:27 melodie_ I use mainly the terminal chroot from it and the Synaptic chroot gui package manager, then the button "create"
21:27 melodie_ I am working right now on a newer version up to date with a few enhancements
21:27 joshu_ THe thing is I need to put this working solution together by next week..I'll work on it non-stop if that's required I just don't really know how or where to start
21:27 melodie_ I'll show you the last ones:
21:28 melodie_ you will have an easy start: I have done many versions since the beginning of last year and some are running on machines at my client's places
21:28 joshu_ you do ubuntu consultancy?
21:28 melodie_ but not as client : I have never configured one and I'd be very curious/interested to learn how to do it ?
21:29 melodie_ not ubuntu specific
21:29 melodie_ I create spins so that all newcomers have something at same time very light and handy to use
21:29 melodie_ ie: the borders of the windows are well defined, unlike in the official versions
21:29 slystone plop
21:30 melodie_ newcomers don't know where the border of the window are otherwise, things like that
21:30 melodie_ hi slystone !
21:30 slystone 'lut melodie_ :)
21:30 slystone Hi joshu_!
21:30 joshu_ hi slystone
21:30 melodie_ joshu_ have a look here: Bento2 - OBUbuntu Remix presentation - http://linuxvillage.net/index.php/topic,248.0.html
21:30 melodie_ and here:
21:31 melodie_ OBUbuntu with Mkahawa - http://linuxvillage.net/index.php/topic,338.0.html
21:31 melodie_ then about booting right into the desktop:
21:31 melodie_ Ubuntu Openbox Remix 12.04 without a session manager (lighter) - http://linuxvillage.net/index.php/topic,292.0.html
21:32 slystone melodie_: I haven't had the time to look at your pages today, I've been to Honfleur with some friends, just got back. It will be for tomorrow. :)
21:32 melodie_ one detail for enhancement:
21:32 melodie_ slystone ok!
21:33 melodie_ joshu_ about the versions I provide, the Live and the install have a kernel module configuration package installed, it's zram-config : it allows to have a block device in ram which is used by the system as swap : instead of swapping to disk it will prior swap to ram if needed.
21:34 melodie_ and I tweak the default files in the live system, because the "nice" devs have figured out under 512 MB in a live it should be useless! I raise the limit to 2 GB
21:35 slystone XD
21:35 melodie_ and the block devices are to be 25% of the size of the available ram and not 50% (which imo is too muchn, as the dev of zram, which belongs to the compcache project, advises 25%)
21:35 joshu_ ok I have to be honest melodie_ I have looked at the links, but I don't understand are you suggesting that I start with one of those versions?
21:36 melodie_ no, just if you are interested, wait tomorrow or sunday and the newest, even more polished, will be online
21:36 melodie_ or you can grab mkahawa and start play with it to train
21:37 melodie_ mkahawa just needs to remove the client and server, I can help on the forum if you register and post there: removing the files is easy once you know which and where they are
21:38 melodie_ here is ubuntu builder:
21:38 melodie_ http://code.google.com/p/ub​untu-builder/downloads/list
21:38 melodie_ this version:
21:38 melodie_ http://code.google.com/p/ubuntu-build​er/downloads/detail?name=ubuntu-build​er_2.4.1-1_all.deb&can=2&q=
21:38 melodie_ works with gambas2 which is in the Precise repos
21:38 melodie_ I have to go now, late here: see you tomorrow, or on the forum?
21:39 melodie_ joshu_ ?
21:40 joshu_ ok tomorrow sure
21:40 joshu_ late here too ;)
21:41 joshu_ merci beaucoup y bon niut
21:41 joshu_ nuit!
21:51 melodie_ ok ! :)
21:51 melodie_ and welcome to our little Linux Village corner!
22:00 joshu_ thanks melodie_ !
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22:54 slystone melodie_: si t'as besoin que je traduise des trucs, n'hésite pas à demander. ;)
22:55 slystone Je suis très occupé avec une conf d'Eben Moglen et le livre Basic Internet Security, mais je peux toujours trouver un peu de temps. ;)
22:55 melodie_ coucou slystone
22:55 melodie_ ok merci
22:55 melodie_ rien d'urgent pour l'instant en tout cas
22:57 slystone ok :)
22:58 melodie_ j'ai refait une arborescence et je vais mettre en ligne les patchs de mes modifs
22:59 melodie_ j'aurais bien utilisé un dépôt classique mais je ne sais pas les utiliser pour l'instant
22:59 slystone Hum, plaît-il ?
22:59 slystone We knew our lives stretched up to the stars ♪♫
22:59 slystone And we were the masters of the universe ♪♫
23:01 melodie_ beautiful
23:02 melodie_ je dis que je ne sais pas utiliser git et mercurial
23:02 melodie_ http://pikacode.com
23:02 melodie_ https://github.com
23:02 slystone Ah, ok. ^^
23:02 slystone pdurbin peut t'aider, non ?
23:03 slystone Il faudrait que je m'y intéresse, pour la trad de bouquins ils l'utilisent maintenant chez Framalang.
23:03 slystone Ils ont d'ailleurs évoqué la nécessité de faire un petit tuto pour tout le monde.
23:06 slystone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsutTIu3rdY
23:06 melodie_ un tuto sur git ou sur mercurial ?
23:07 melodie_ je viens de regarder les tutos en anglais
23:07 slystone Un tuto sur Git oui.
23:07 melodie_ je l'envisage mais pas pour tout de suite
23:07 slystone melodie_: ok
23:07 melodie_ j'ai ouïe dire que mercurial est plus simple que git et plus facile à utiliser
23:08 slystone melodie_: hum, possible. Mais je crois que carrément plus de monde connaît Github aussi.
23:10 melodie_ regarde un coup là si tu veux: http://mercurial.selenic.com/guide
23:14 slystone Ça a l'air assez simple. Merci :)
23:15 slystone Bon sur ce je vais aller bouquiboudoudodoter !
23:15 slystone *greuh*
23:16 slystone & Biscuit Nantais melodie_
23:16 melodie_ tu lis quoi en ce moment ?
23:16 melodie_ (juste pour une idée)
23:17 slystone Hum, je bouquine surtout des BD pour améliorer mon allemand. Et puis j'avais commencé Game of Thrones, mais comme c'est über compliqué, j'ai reporté.
23:18 slystone Bon, pluslà
23:19 melodie_ ok, bonne lecture et douce nuit !

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