Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #linuxvillage, 2013-11-16

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00:29 Seditio melodie, on organise une LAN a la salle d'aigues-vives samedi prochain
00:29 Seditio a confirmer lundi
00:31 melodie Seditio samedi prochain c'est Capitole du Libre et c'est là que je serai
00:31 melodie mais merci quand même
00:31 Seditio okok
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16:56 melodie bonsoir
16:58 melodie je viens de mettre un nouveau billet en ligne sur http://linuxvillage.org, à propos de Bento, et avec des captures d'écrans. Je voudrais tester plusieurs méthodes pour naviguer entre les captures d'écrans, c'est là que j'ai besoin de Goodbox : es-tu là mon ami ? J'ai besoin de tes services sur le serveur, Ô Maître Goodbox !
16:58 melodie :)
16:58 melodie Goodbox Goodbox Goodbox !!!
16:58 melodie :D
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17:21 Goodbox melodie: oui, je viens de finir de manger, j'ai un peu de rangement à faire et je serais dispo :)
17:30 melodie Goodbox ok, alors dans ce cas puisque personne ne semble dispo pour t'aider à configurer ça de sorte à ce que tout soit ok, je suggère que nous allions sur #wordpress demander leur aide
17:30 melodie c'est tout en anglais mais je crois que tu es assez à l'aise en anglais ?
17:32 Goodbox d'accord
17:33 melodie j'attends que tu aies fini
17:33 melodie donc fais-moi signe dés que tu es prêt ?
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17:59 melodie Goodbox qu'est-ce que c'est "heedful" ?
17:59 melodie bonsoir jleclanche
18:00 Goodbox :p
18:02 jleclanche melodie: salut
18:02 melodie alors prêt pour ce Capitole libriste ?
18:05 melodie :)
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18:15 melodie Goodbox peux-tu modifier la configuration pour que je puisse me connecter en ftp sans ssh, pour voir ?
18:16 melodie avec le mot de passe utilisé pour la bdd (et on verra après pour le modifier, selon le résultat)
18:31 melodie Goodbox ??
18:32 melodie j'ai copié collé ce que nous avons posté sur #wordpress vers #crimsonfu où le chan est logué et peut-être quelqu'un plus tard saura aider. en attendant si tu pouvais modifier la configuration afin de tester, ce serait bien
18:32 melodie après ce sera l'heure du dîner, après.. après...
18:33 melodie bref le temps passe, il y a 4 plugins à mettre à jour d'autres à installer pour un ou deux tests et ça fait des semaines que c'est comme ça mais maintenant j'ai des articles à poster alors je voudrais vraiment que ça soit réglé
18:33 melodie http://linuxvillage.org/blog/2013/11/15/bento-ubuntu-remix-rc/
18:34 melodie je dois arranger le carrousel autrement dans cette page alors j'ai encore des plugins à essayer, comme celui fourni par jetpack : et je ne peux me connecter à jetpack ! le serveur se rebiffe
19:23 Goodbox Okay :) je le join
19:24 Goodbox heyyy stylé le topic du chan :D
19:25 Goodbox pour le ftp, je dois créer un autre utilisateur, car melodie utilise mysecureshell, incompatible avec vsftpd
19:39 melodie Goodbox  tu pourrais aussi demander sur d'autres chans jusqu'à ce que quelqu'un lève le doigt ?
19:39 melodie #cyber-nux ?
19:40 melodie par exemple
19:40 melodie Goodbox l'autre utilisateur nomme-le linuxvillage, ça sera parfait
19:40 melodie qu'en penses-tu ?
19:41 Goodbox Ouaiiis j'ai fait un user melodie-ftp mais je me bat.....
19:42 Goodbox avec vsftpd et pam
19:43 melodie ok
19:43 melodie ça va aller quand même ?
19:43 melodie je re après dîner
19:45 Goodbox j'éspère
19:45 Goodbox Bon app :)
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20:39 melodie bonsoir NoNa
20:39 melodie Goodbox je suis là
20:39 NoNa bonsoir melodie
20:42 melodie NoNa Capitole du libre le w-e prochain: penses-tu que nous ayons des chances de nous rencontrer ? :D
20:42 NoNa pas du tout melodie
20:43 melodie ah dommage, ça m'aurait fait plaisir
20:43 melodie tes études vont bien ?
20:43 NoNa mes études c'est disons comme un navire en pleine tempête
20:44 melodie avec des bourrrasssques ?
20:44 melodie :D
20:44 * melodie tend des vitamines à NoNa
20:44 NoNa hmm oui
20:44 NoNa disons que je chavire grave
20:45 melodie NoNa nous sommes là pour toi, que pouvons-nous te suggérer de mieux ?
20:46 NoNa rien justement, c'est de moi même que cela ne peut que changer
20:46 melodie si si il y a quelque chose à faire
20:46 NoNa quoi donc ?
20:46 melodie as-tu une chaloupe de secours, un gilet de sauvetage et des rations de combat ?
20:47 NoNa jsutement je suis tellement disons pres des sous que j'ai rien prévu...
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21:16 melodie hi jovando !
21:17 jovando hello :-)
21:17 melodie NoNa on en reparle dans un petit moment, mais surtout ne te laisse pas aller au découragement, dis-toi que tu vas trouver des solutions, note les problèmes à résoudre sur un cahier, essaie de les fragmenter pour les résoudre par petits bouts
21:17 melodie jovando so what do you know about the file system?
21:17 melodie in itself
21:17 NoNa ok melodie
21:18 melodie see you have misunderstood what I told you about chrooting: you have chrooted the Live Session instead of chrooting the partition which is inside the hard drive
21:18 melodie I will copy back this part of your pastebin here:
21:19 melodie NoNa Formule de l'Hélicoptère : une fois cela fait, commence par le plus facile et continue tout de suite par le plus urgent, ensuite note ce qui est fait puis recommence
21:19 melodie les listes de choses à faire aussi : tu peux les lister sans limite, c'est excellent pour faire avancer les choses
21:19 melodie et quand tu en as marre, fais la sieste !
21:20 melodie jovando http://paste.ubuntu.com/6428531/
21:20 NoNa oui chef ! :)
21:20 melodie netrunner@netrunner:/$ sudo blkid
21:20 melodie NoNa :)
21:20 melodie ;)
21:20 NoNa hm ?
21:20 melodie jovando /dev/sdb1: UUID="01abed0d-531d-412d-b9bc-6261e5d8e66e" TYPE="ext4"
21:20 melodie I will assume your ubuntu partition is there: it is an ext4 type and
21:21 melodie and it is the only one which bears the ext4 type in the output of "sudo blkid"
21:21 melodie NoNa je veux dire que tu vas t'en sortir
21:22 NoNa oui mais j'ia lu un truc qui etait pas pour moi ^^
21:22 melodie tu peux m'en parler en privé si tu veux
21:22 melodie j'irais lire entre deux, là je veux aider jovando
21:22 jovando ok, its logically :-)
21:22 Mo0O plop
21:22 jovando and it is already mounted
21:23 jovando because i have mounted it via dolphin
21:23 melodie jovando instead of doing "chroot ." from within the / of the live what I was expecting is that you would have mounted your ubuntu partition to the /mnt mountpoint
21:23 jovando ok, i will do that
21:23 melodie so if you have mounted it with dolphin it might be available in /media ? have a look in /media, get out of the present chroot, you haven't anything to do as chroot in your own live session (really of no use! ;) )
21:25 melodie the /media directory is where the system mounts the partitions and the /mnt directory is where the users/admins mount the partitions when they do it with the mount command in console
21:26 Mo0O salut melodie, j'ai vu sur archoff que tu cherchais quelqu'un pour ton site, je voulai en savoir plus sur le problème, et voir si je pouvais vous aider
21:26 melodie it is conventions so that everybody in *nix distributions understand each other and for the sytem to function correctly
21:27 jovando yes it is in media
21:27 melodie Mo0O il faut que tu voies avec Goodbox et tu peux lire le log de #crimsonfu pour prendre connaissance du problème:
21:27 Mo0O ok
21:28 melodie jovando exit the chroot, go to /media from within your console, do the mount commands I gave you before but from within /media (go there with "cd /media", cd means "change directory"
21:28 melodie )
21:28 jovando how can i exit chroot?
21:28 melodie Mo0O http://irclog.perlgeek.de/crimsonfu/2013-11-16
21:29 melodie jovando I have told you at the other chan: type exit
21:29 jovando oh, sry and thanks
21:29 melodie you type exit in any console it exits the console, you type exit from chroot it exits the chroot, you type exit from a root console you are back to a user console (unless you started a root console from the menus which would close it)
21:30 melodie jovando nm
21:30 melodie np
21:30 jovando i am not root now and i will try to mount the file system as root now
21:30 melodie don't forget the mount -o bind commands
21:30 melodie <melodie> jovando exit the chroot, go to /media from within your console, do the mount commands I gave you before but from within /media (go there with "cd /media", cd means "change directory")
21:30 melodie **  do the mount commands I gave you before but from within /media **
21:31 melodie jovando it's a good community for beginners and multibooters here
21:31 jovando ok, thanks - once done - its easy
21:31 jovando one moment i will post:
21:32 melodie jovando please install pastebinit in your chrooted system
21:32 melodie and use it to pastebin your log files
21:32 melodie then the log files will be complete on the ubuntu.paste.com page
21:34 jovando ok
21:34 Mo0O thx for the logs melodie ;)
21:34 melodie Mo0O thanks for offering your help! You can't believe how much upset I am!
21:34 Mo0O :D
21:35 Mo0O it's a eal pleasure
21:35 Mo0O real*
21:35 melodie and if this one is fixed, next I will need you to teach me how to use wikimedia :{
21:35 jovando ok have pastebinit
21:35 Mo0O ok
21:35 Mo0O 1 problem At time
21:36 melodie jovando then in your chroot do "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log" and "pastebinit /var/log/dmesg"
21:36 melodie the paste the links here please
21:36 melodie Mo0O œuf course!
21:36 Mo0O ^^
21:36 melodie :)
21:36 Mo0O excuse my english
21:37 melodie My English being far from perfect and jovando not English native either… and pdurbin said he is in and out. XD
21:37 jovando http://paste.ubuntu.com/6428645
21:37 Mo0O ^^
21:38 jovando i am sorry i dont want to do something wrong - how can i mount now ?
21:38 melodie jovando ...
21:38 melodie netrunner@netrunner:/media/01abed0d-531d-412d-b9bc-6261e5d8e66e$ ls
21:38 melodie bin  boot  dev  etc  home  initrd.img  initrd.img.old  lib  lost+found  media  mnt  opt  proc  root  run  sbin  selinux  srv  sys  tmp  usr  var  vmlinuz  vmlinuz.old
21:38 melodie netrunner@netrunner:/media/01abed0d-531d-412d-b9bc-6261e5d8e66e$ sudo apt-get install pastebinit
21:39 melodie jovando you don't understand the first thing about the file system structure, now you have installed pastebinit in the live cd, but we will need it in the chroot
21:39 melodie never mind
21:39 melodie just do that for now:
21:39 jovando i thought i made a mistake
21:39 melodie pastebinit /media/01abed0d-531d-412d-b9bc-6261e5d8e66e/var/log/Xorg.0.log
21:39 melodie and
21:39 melodie pastebinit /media/01abed0d-531d-412d-b9bc-6261e5d8e66e/var/log/dmesg
21:40 melodie I need to have a look at these two files so chroot or not we will get to see them on pastebin
21:40 jovando sry, i am a little bit overwhelmed
21:40 jovando ok so i delete pastebinit next ok...
21:40 melodie jovando you have two direct solutions:
21:41 melodie you reinstall a new Ubuntu after you save your personal data, and you forget about testing kernels, it's not in your reach now
21:42 melodie you find a way to have a new install besides where you can learn and progress, let's say Debian, and later Archlinux, and perhaps some other types of distros with other package managers
21:42 melodie then doing multiboot will help you learn faster and more about file systems and the small differences and big similarities between distributions
21:42 jovando this would not be an option because several programs were very hard to install
21:43 melodie which ones?
21:43 melodie please provide one or several examples
21:43 jovando to reinstall
21:43 melodie jovando I think you want to learn how to run before you start walking
21:44 melodie jovando which programs where hard to install?
21:44 melodie were*
21:44 jovando i would deal with that day and night, but i also have to do much for my study
21:44 melodie jovando which country are you from?
21:45 jovando compiz-fusion for example was very hard to install
21:45 jovando austria
21:45 melodie ok
21:45 melodie there is a buddy who comes often here who talks German quite well I think
21:45 jovando so, i will try to remove the pastebinit now
21:45 melodie he is at an Ubuntu Party in Paris right now
21:45 melodie jovando don't
21:46 Mo0O looks like a permission issue (for all), as Goodbox said, the folders are owned by melodie:www-data with a 755 perm, so the melodie user (7) can read (r) write (w) and open (x) those folders, but the www-data group members (which I guest wordpress is in) with have the permission (5) set to read (r) NOwrite (-) and open (x), I think a chmod 775 on those folders could fix your problems
21:46 jovando does Mo00 mean me?
21:46 melodie just use the command line with the full path from / as I said above
21:46 melodie jovando no
21:46 melodie he talks about an issue I meet with on the linuxvillage wordpress install
21:46 Mo0O jovando: it's a debian easter eggs joke ;)
21:47 melodie Mo0O he can try but I don't think so
21:47 Mo0O we will see ;)
21:47 melodie Mo0O I think if he wants the sftp the files and or folders need a bitsuid as tuxfamily has on the websites they manage
21:47 melodie jovando
21:48 melodie <melodie> pastebinit /media/01abed0d-531d-412d-b9bc-6261e5d8e66e/var/log/Xorg.0.log
21:48 melodie <melodie> and
21:48 melodie <melodie> pastebinit /media/01abed0d-531d-412d-b9bc-6261e5d8e66e/var/log/dmesg
21:48 jovando jep
21:48 melodie the full path from / starts for this case at /media
21:48 jovando ok, one mom
21:48 melodie / is the root, ok ?
21:48 melodie so /media is "media under /"
21:48 melodie is that clear to you?
21:49 melodie Mo0O pendant que jovando fait autre chose:
21:49 Mo0O yep
21:49 jovando :-(
21:49 jovando no, i cant remove pastebinit from live
21:49 melodie quand les dossiers et fichiers appartiennent à "www-data:www-data" je peux accéder à l'extérieur, et installer des plugins, les mettre à jour depuis l'admin
21:49 jovando remove: command not found
21:49 melodie jovando I said you don't have to!
21:49 jovando autoremove: command not found
21:49 melodie jovando remove is not a command
21:50 melodie apt-get is the command
21:50 jovando ok, th
21:50 melodie DON'T REMOVE PASTEBINIT
21:50 jovando x
21:50 melodie DO:
21:50 melodie <melodie> <melodie> pastebinit /media/01abed0d-531d-412d-b9bc-6261e5d8e66e/var/log/Xorg.0.log
21:50 melodie <melodie> <melodie> and
21:50 melodie <melodie> <melodie> pastebinit /media/01abed0d-531d-412d-b9bc-6261e5d8e66e/var/log/dmesg
21:50 melodie pastebinit /media/01abed0d-531d-412d-b9bc-6261e5d8e66e/var/log/Xorg.0.log
21:50 jovando jep i will do
21:50 melodie pastebinit /media/01abed0d-531d-412d-b9bc-6261e5d8e66e/var/log/dmesg
21:50 melodie do you understand why ???
21:50 melodie I just explained why to you:
21:50 melodie melodie> / is the root, ok ?
21:50 melodie <melodie> so /media is "media under /"
21:50 melodie <melodie> is that clear to you?
21:51 melodie <melodie> the full path from / starts for this case at /media
21:51 jovando root isnt active but soon i hope
21:51 jovando can you also hack in my system=
21:51 melodie jovando try to be focused
21:51 jovando ?
21:51 jovando to do this?
21:51 melodie you can understand that
21:51 melodie read what I told you and try to think by yourself : you are a student, you have the ability to understand !
21:52 melodie when I explain and help I don't just say "do this and that" but I explain why and how that works
21:52 jovando yea, its very complex for me, but i try
21:52 melodie so that you can fish by yourself next time
21:52 melodie jovando ok let's restart with a course related to file system:
21:52 melodie ok ?
21:53 melodie the system is like a tree but with the root upside down:
21:53 melodie the root is up and the branches are down
21:53 jovando ok
21:53 jovando restart
21:53 melodie the root is /
21:53 jovando ok
21:53 jovando i know
21:53 melodie the branches are /bin (bin under /)
21:53 Mo0O root, is the super user of the *nix world, and alors the name of the root of the file system, which is symbolized by /
21:53 Mo0O s/alors/also
21:54 melodie yes, root is the admin and is also the / which is not the same thing but confusingly bear the same name we agree on that
21:54 melodie branches:
21:54 jovando ok
21:54 jovando got it
21:54 melodie are /bin /dev/ /home /media /opt /proc /sys /usr /boot /etc /lost+found /mnt /root /sbin /var
21:55 melodie there are the most commons for all distros
21:55 melodie Archlinux also has /srv and I think debian too, and /run
21:55 jovando ok, i know
21:55 jovando yes debian has it too
21:55 melodie the distros mostly all use the same directories for the same things
21:56 jovando yes to handle the packages easy...
21:56 melodie so the full path to the file Xorg.0.log which contains the information from the X server of your Ubuntu are located into /var/log in the distro, but from within the live it is located at $MOUNT_POINT/var/log
21:56 melodie and $MOUNT_POINT here is /media/the_big_number/
21:57 melodie is that ok ?
21:57 melodie if you understand this then you can understand that I don't need you to uninstall pastebinit to get the content of the desired files. is that Ok now?
21:57 jovando yes got it
21:58 melodie so type the two commands: as user, (I put the $ in front of the commands which means you need not to be root)
21:58 jovando moment last question of you...
21:58 melodie go ahead
21:59 melodie jovando ?
21:59 jovando the question is: where is pastebinit saved or installed when i install it from live cd?
22:00 jovando it can just be installed on the harddisk, right?
22:00 melodie you have not installed it from Live CD, but IN the live cd. It is as usual the binary in /usr/bin and the docs in /usr/share/docs
22:00 jovando but at /... from live cd it is not possible, is it?
22:00 melodie it is really in the rootfs which is mounted as loop and is only in memory
22:01 melodie yes, it is provided you chroot first, which is what I tried to get you to do in the first place
22:01 jovando rootfs?
22:01 melodie yes, you will see that later
22:01 jovando ok, so it will be killed when i shut down?
22:01 melodie a Live lives in the RAM, so the changes are not kept after reboot
22:02 melodie not killed, just erased from ram
22:02 jovando yes, sry, that i meant
22:02 melodie so will you type the commands so I can view your log files please?
22:03 melodie while I will be doing so you can do the mount commands and chroot the desired <3 partition
22:04 jovando which commands?
22:04 jovando wo mount?
22:04 jovando to mount?
22:05 jovando i mean: should i type the commands to mount?
22:05 melodie 1) the commands with pastebinit which will allow me to view the two requested log files
22:06 melodie 2) the commands to mount the parts of the live system to the parts of the installed system that I have mentioned before
22:06 melodie 3) the command to chroot the /media/your_long_uuid_number partition
22:07 jovando i have just problems to understand the mount mehtod
22:07 melodie jovando how old are you?
22:07 jovando method
22:07 jovando 27
22:07 jovando you?
22:07 melodie jovando don't worry I don't understand them very much either this is why I have to visit some websites to rembember them all
22:07 melodie the "sudo mount -o bind /dev dev/" allows populating the /dev of the system in the hard drive
22:08 jovando ok, i try this the next 10 minutes
22:08 melodie this is necessary so that the system sees the devices
22:08 melodie jovando let me put it this way:
22:08 melodie I have repeated each step about half a dozen times now and you have not seemed to re read what I told you instead of getting me to repeat
22:09 melodie I am not going to repeat again in ten minutes
22:09 jovando ok, i read and tried but i dont really understand the background of what i am doing
22:10 jovando ok see ya at 10:20
22:13 melodie not a chance:
22:13 melodie it's 11:13 here in France so I won't be available later
22:14 melodie jovando as long as you can't chroot properly you aren't going anywhere
22:14 melodie anyone willing to help jovando chroot and figure out what is wrong with his kernels and nvidia/nouveau drivers?
22:14 melodie I can't continue now
22:15 melodie arthefact don't you talk German?
22:15 arthefact yes i do
22:15 arthefact wass ist dass problem
22:15 arthefact ??
22:15 melodie can you help jovando with his chroot?
22:16 arthefact maybe  if you an gide me for the chroot
22:16 melodie he did testing with the kernels and is stucked now because none of them see his graphical drivers
22:16 arthefact guide*
22:16 melodie arthefact if you read again all I told him you will get it right
22:16 arthefact ok i read
22:17 melodie once chrooted he needs to see how many kernels he has, reinstall the last one which was running alright, remove one of the two drivers: nvidia or nouveau and reinstall the one he keeps. he has a spinoff of Ubuntu with kde in it
22:18 melodie have faith luck and may the force be with you! ;)
22:18 arthefact and you want to chroot whith a live cd ?
22:18 melodie he is in a Live now and has to chroot in the system
22:19 melodie arthefact his system is in /dev/sdb1 : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6428531/
22:19 melodie and is already mounted to /media/01abed0d-531d-412d-b9bc-6261e5d8e66e
22:20 melodie jovando arthefact will help you in German hopefully you will get somewhere
22:20 melodie arthefact have him remove the faulty kernels(s) once the older working reinstalled, also.
22:20 melodie along with the kernel headers of the same series!
22:21 jovando ok, was macht man mit dem: "sudo mount -o bind /dev dev/ ? was tut man da genau?
22:21 arthefact lass mir bitte einen moment zum kuken um wass as geht
22:21 jovando natürlich
22:21 melodie arthefact les commandes mount dont il parle sont indispensables pour que le système chrooté comprenne ce qui se passe
22:22 melodie il faut monter /dev /sys et /dev/pts au moins, avec le genre de commandes que je lui ai passées
22:25 melodie Mo0O je serai de retour un petit peu plus tard, entre temps si tu as des nouvelles fais-moi un ping, et si tu veux accéder à l'admin de wordpress laisse-moi un mot en privé je te passerai des identifiants
22:25 melodie de sorte à ce que tu puisses tester le résultat de changements
22:31 jovando http://paste.ubuntu.com/6428858
22:31 jovando ^^ recent news
22:32 melodie $ sudo mount -o bind /dev   ||| "mount source to destination" !!!
22:33 melodie $ sudo mount -o bind /dev dev/
22:33 melodie :cry:
22:34 melodie $ sudo mount -o bind /   ||| even worse, you don't follow the instructions I have repeated several times
22:34 melodie you don't bind / : why would you?
22:35 melodie netrunner@netrunner:/media$ sudo mount /dev/sdb1
22:35 melodie mount: /dev/sdb1 already mounted or /media/01abed0d-531d-412d-b9bc-6261e5d8e66e busy
22:35 melodie mount: according to mtab, /dev/sdb1 is already mounted on /media/01abed0d-531d-412d-b9bc-6261e5d8e66e
22:35 melodie netrunner@netrunner:/media$ sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt
22:35 melodie you don't read the messages from console, it was already mounted
22:36 melodie ...
22:44 jovando ok, i am so sorry i dont understand the mount and bind option - i thought i was root at the hd system
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23:25 melodie arthefact comment ça se passe ?
23:25 arthefact très mal
23:26 arthefact je vois pas ou vous en étiez déjà et ensuite j'y comprend rien au chroot
23:26 arthefact je suis prêt a traduir pour vous n'empêhce
23:26 arthefact che *
23:33 Seditio le topic du chan n'est pas trop en retard? :p
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