Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #linuxvillage, 2013-11-25

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02:50 arthefact good evening all http://snd.sc/181hiOX
02:50 arthefact and good bye
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21:56 melodie bonsoir
21:56 melodie hello all
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22:00 alphad bonsoir
22:01 melodie salut alphad !
22:01 alphad :)
22:01 Seditio le support electronic arts n'apprécient pas mon humour :(
22:01 alphad comment t vasmélodie
22:01 alphad lu Seditio
22:01 Seditio yo
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22:03 TrueDD bonsoir tout le monde
22:03 alphad salut TrueDD
22:03 alphad waw ça va faire un siecle qu'on s'est pas parlé
22:03 TrueDD salut alphad :)
22:04 TrueDD alphad, c'est vrai !
22:04 TrueDD comment vas-tu depuis tout ce temps là ?
22:04 alphad ça va
22:04 alphad tuet toi?
22:05 alphad tu était en voyage?
22:06 TrueDD non, ce n'était pas un voyage
22:06 TrueDD juste une tornade
22:06 TrueDD :)
22:06 melodie bienvenue sur le petit village !
22:06 melodie Welcome TrueDD !!!!!!!!!!!!
22:06 melodie pdurbin !! are you around? An old friend is here!
22:08 TrueDD merci beaucoup, melodie !!!!!!!! :D
22:09 alphad une tornade?
22:09 yzeew hello TrueDD
22:09 melodie le principal est qu'il ne se soit pas noyé ;-)
22:09 melodie alors je vous raconte un peu:
22:10 alphad ok
22:10 melodie il y a des nouveaux potes ici, anglophones, francophones et bilingues, et puis des potes sur d'autres chans, de tous pays aussi, qui sont surtout lubunteros
22:10 melodie et enfin des gens qui sont ici et puis aussi sur le topic des couche tard ##tdct
22:10 TrueDD hello, yzeew :)
22:11 TrueDD alphad, façon de parler :) la vie, le quotidien, le boulot, etc ....
22:11 melodie et puis sur un des chans il y a un gars qui est maltais : j'ai été voir ce qui se dit de Malte sur le web, et ça m'a donné envie d'aller voir :D
22:11 TrueDD melodie, donc, je ne vais pas me faire fusiller en place public si je dis lol ? :D
22:12 melodie TrueDD pour le forum linuxvillage, il roupille, et est en train de tomber dans le coma
22:12 melodie non y'a pas de bots farceurs ici
22:12 melodie il y a crimsonfubot et _ilbot
22:12 melodie @lucky bots
22:12 crimsonfubot melodie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_bot
22:12 TrueDD :)
22:12 melodie TrueDD une de ses fonctions. il appartient à pdurbin et je ne sais pas ce qu'il fait d'autre
22:13 melodie et _ilbot récupére les discussions pour qu'on puisse les retrouver facilement sur le web
22:13 melodie (regarde le topic)
22:13 TrueDD ok, vu :)
22:14 melodie et j'ai découvert les MOOC grâce à pdurbin il y a quelques mois
22:14 melodie @lucky wonderstudy
22:14 crimsonfubot melodie: http://epicchangeblog.org/experiments/wonderstudy/
22:14 melodie ?
22:14 melodie c'est pas ça
22:15 melodie crimsonfubot wonderstudy | http://wonderstudy.github.io/
22:15 crimsonfubot melodie: Error: "wonderstudy" is not a valid command.
22:15 melodie bon j'ai rien dit
22:15 melodie crimsonfubot  http://wonderstudy.github.io/
22:15 crimsonfubot melodie: Error: "http://wonderstudy.github.io/" is not a valid command.
22:15 TrueDD ça me surprendra toujours, ces façons de fustiger les gens qui lolent alors qu'ils font au moins l'effort par ailleurs d'écrire le français à peu près correctement, quand d'autres samuse a parlé com sa et sa, sa pace ....
22:15 melodie crimsonfubot learn http://wonderstudy.github.io/
22:15 crimsonfubot melodie: Error: "learn" is not a valid command.
22:15 melodie pfff
22:16 melodie TrueDD oui, c'est le chan pas très sérieux :)
22:16 TrueDD melodie, :)
22:16 melodie ici c'est entre deux, ni trop coincé ni trop farceur
22:16 melodie et bilingue
22:16 TrueDD tant mieux :)
22:17 melodie et les anglophones sont des US, de UK, d'Italie (exemple, krabador )
22:17 yzeew trilingue aussi :p
22:17 krabador heheheh , oui
22:17 melodie alphad tu es bien de côte d'ivoire ?
22:17 melodie yzeew ah ?
22:18 melodie yzeew quelle autre langue ? en dehors de l'anglais et du français, l'allemand c'est rare (perso je ne le comprend pas)
22:18 yzeew melodie je lol , je parle de moi meme
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22:19 omnidan ohai
22:19 yzeew i
22:19 melodie welcome to the little Linuxvillage chan omnidan !
22:19 omnidan melodie: oh btw I'm writing an article on REST api programming
22:20 omnidan because I couldn't really find any decent ones
22:20 melodie omnidan is a great guy from Austria who studies and starts a company related to some curious stuff for... smartphones? Is that so omnidan ?
22:20 slystone1 Ça se peuple ici.
22:20 melodie hello slystone1!
22:21 omnidan melodie: we do webapps and have one hardware product :P
22:21 melodie omnidan are you publishing it to your professionnal website?
22:21 slystone1 'soir melodie
22:21 omnidan melodie: no, probably going to revive my tumblr
22:21 omnidan melodie: I was asking if you could publish it to some blogs where you think it would fit
22:21 melodie then are you going to link it from your professional website?
22:21 omnidan I'm not really good with this
22:21 slystone1 omnidan: revive as in a vampire or a zombie ?
22:22 omnidan melodie: oh you mean my github page? yes probably
22:22 omnidan slystone1: well it's a zombie atm
22:22 omnidan slystone1: revive as in zombie -> alive
22:22 omnidan :P
22:22 melodie omnidan I've been told having a wordpress.com blog + a google+ space, point one to the other and add one "like" on each would inscrease visits in an interesting way
22:22 slystone1 Ah. BRAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS!
22:22 omnidan melodie: there's this picture-next-to-google-results thing
22:22 omnidan that all authors want
22:23 omnidan :P
22:23 omnidan *bloggers
22:23 slystone1 melodie: too obvious your troll. :p
22:23 melodie omnidan I didn't but why not? You might also want to add a link at your touch-xyz website
22:23 melodie the one you have show to me
22:23 omnidan lol
22:23 omnidan oh you mean pagerank
22:23 melodie omnidan if that means more visits you can put it this way
22:24 melodie slystone1 <slystone1> omnidan: revive as in a vampire or a zombie ?
22:24 melodie bad bad slystone1! ;)
22:24 omnidan lol
22:24 omnidan melodie: it means you are ranked higher in google results -> more visits
22:24 melodie well in fact there are many more search engines! :D
22:25 omnidan melodie: yeah I am aware of that, but I was trying to get to the point other bloggers are at
22:25 melodie seek for "search engines" in Google ! XD
22:25 omnidan they write an article and publish to multiple websites
22:25 slystone1 melodie: I'm just curious, I'm not judging. PLeeeeease!
22:25 omnidan and it's the same article, just a different website, same author
22:25 omnidan melodie: google is the only search engine that matters really
22:25 melodie slystone1 I am talking sort of seriously, while joking a little, at same time
22:25 melodie omnidan I don't think so
22:25 omnidan I mean
22:25 omnidan from a marketing perspective it is
22:25 melodie I don't agree
22:26 melodie some prefer Yahoo, others Bing, some like best Ixquick which is safe for privacy...
22:26 omnidan yahoo is pretty much dead
22:26 omnidan bing, yeah ok, still not nearly as many users as google
22:26 omnidan also duckduckgo for privacy
22:26 omnidan :P
22:27 omnidan but duckduckgo uses google and yahoo and bing as backend
22:27 melodie some say Google does not send interesting results of research anymore, out of marketing/ads ...
22:27 omnidan that's why I use duckduckgo
22:27 melodie :)
22:27 omnidan also, you can turn off web history and it won't be as bad
22:27 omnidan they still personalize results, but it's not /that/ bad anymore when web history is turned off
22:27 melodie my web history belongs to me
22:27 omnidan I mean google web history
22:27 melodie unlike cookies
22:27 omnidan melodie: not on chrome :)
22:27 omnidan lol
22:28 melodie I don't use Chrome
22:28 omnidan me neither
22:28 omnidan https://history.google.com/history/
22:28 melodie shines too much to be honest ;)
22:28 omnidan this is what I meant
22:28 omnidan melodie: I use chromium and firefox
22:28 omnidan chromium just for testing webapps
22:28 omnidan because there are many chrome users
22:29 melodie I use Firefox, Midori, Opera (for some things) and chromium only once a while to compare the appearance of a website
22:29 melodie same here
22:29 omnidan opera is webkit soon
22:29 omnidan so
22:29 melodie so?
22:29 omnidan you only need firefox and chromium/chrome
22:30 melodie TrueDD what do you think? Are the PC going to be replaced with mobile hardware?
22:31 melodie omnidan I prefer Opera to Chromium
22:31 omnidan I know you didn't ask me, but there is a strong trend towards tablets and smartphones, laptops are dying out and desktops are about the same importance
22:31 omnidan melodie: opera sucks
22:31 melodie I use it to get logged in some administrations sometimes, because in Firefox I can't read their pages
22:31 omnidan imo
22:31 TrueDD melodie, don't think so
22:31 omnidan opera is closed source :P
22:31 omnidan I don't trust proprietary browsers
22:32 melodie TrueDD I am not sure, but I hope PC's will be continued
22:32 omnidan there will always be PCs, laptops are going to die though
22:32 melodie omnidan well, Midori is free and quite good, sometimes it displays pages better than Firefox (it is said to be too strict on compliance)
22:32 omnidan I was talking about opera
22:33 melodie I understand
22:33 melodie and understood
22:33 omnidan midori is webkit
22:33 omnidan so yeah, good replacement for chromium
22:33 omnidan I like the dev tools though
22:33 omnidan in chromium
22:33 omnidan the native dev tools in firefox are still not finished, firebug is fine but it's external :P
22:33 melodie I can't follow a discussion about dev tools because I don't develop/code
22:34 TrueDD melodie, I can hardly imagine that the smartphones are gonna be as comfortable to use as PCs, actually, partly because of the screen size for example
22:34 omnidan ah ok
22:34 omnidan melodie: well it matters a lot to me :P
22:34 melodie omnidan maybe TrueDD could?
22:34 melodie TrueDD the tablets seem to be the next "stuff to have"
22:34 melodie "must have"
22:34 melodie I won't fall into that mode, but I see the number of them growing around me
22:35 omnidan melodie: I don't see PCs dying anytime soon
22:35 melodie omnidan hopefully
22:35 TrueDD I think the people will keep using both of them, depending on what they have to do and where they're connecting from
22:35 omnidan as I said, tablets are only going to replace laptops
22:35 melodie it won't replace mine at least! no way! :D
22:35 omnidan melodie: I still use a mechanical keyboard for coding, and not many still make these :P
22:35 TrueDD melodie, stuff to have doesn't mean stuff that's gonna replace everyting else
22:36 melodie I like my puters to do what I tell them to, not to comply to what the devs have thought it should be
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22:36 omnidan this is why windows annoys me so much ^
22:36 omnidan sadly I have to use windows because >music production and >gaming
22:36 melodie slystone1 !! Welcome back. :)
22:36 omnidan not much gaming though
22:36 omnidan I could live without that
22:36 omnidan :P
22:36 melodie have you tried the apps dedicated to producing music in Linux?
22:36 slystone1 melodie: thanx. Stupid connection!
22:36 omnidan lmms?
22:37 omnidan melodie: lmms is crap
22:37 melodie omnidan there are many more
22:37 melodie rosengarden?
22:37 omnidan and they are all crap because the decent vsts are dll's
22:37 omnidan :P
22:37 slystone1 -s
22:37 slystone1 -n sorry
22:37 TrueDD lol
22:37 alphad oula quellee haudedicssion sur l'avenir des laptops
22:37 omnidan melodie: the daw is not the problem, the vsts are
22:38 slystone1 omnidan: what is vsts?
22:38 omnidan Virtual Studio Technology (VST) is a software interface that integrates software audio synthesizer and effect plugins with audio editors and hard-disk recording systems.
22:38 * omnidan cuddles his /wiki alias
22:38 slystone1 ok :)
22:38 omnidan slystone1: a synthesizer, for example
22:39 omnidan a software synthesizer
22:39 slystone1 omnidan: have you given a shot at Ubuntu Studio?
22:39 melodie http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/
22:39 omnidan if I could afford all those hardware synthesizers I probably wouldn't care about lmms or rosegarden not supporting vsts :P
22:39 omnidan *those vsts
22:39 omnidan slystone1: uses ardour
22:39 omnidan also
22:39 omnidan I already bought fl studio so
22:40 slystone1 ok
22:40 omnidan and I got ableton with my keyboard
22:40 slystone1 You seem to know all about this stuff. :)
22:40 omnidan and the studio runs on windows 8.1 atm
22:40 melodie omnidan and this one? http://alsamodular.sourceforge.net/
22:40 omnidan slystone1: I am in a "band" and I set up our studio :P
22:40 melodie there's a list to browse into here: http://www.framasoft.net/rubrique380.html
22:40 omnidan I say "band" because we are inactive atm
22:41 omnidan melodie: it doesn't sound good
22:41 slystone1 A zombie band?
22:41 omnidan melodie: compare these sounds to professional sounds
22:41 melodie slystone1 XD
22:42 melodie omnidan I can't, I don't have the know how for this
22:42 omnidan it's mostly the parametric EQs and decent compressors that are missing on linux/open source music production software
22:42 omnidan melodie: well you can hear it
22:42 melodie omnidan from what I have understood there are many things which come into a good sound
22:42 omnidan melodie: it's mostly effects :P
22:43 melodie the quality of speakers, the codec...
22:43 omnidan oh well
22:43 omnidan I wasn't talking about that
22:43 omnidan I am always talking about lossless bitstream and studio headphones
22:43 melodie you might be talking about something which comes before
22:43 melodie lossless bitstream: the flac format for instance?
22:44 omnidan flac is lossless but still compressed
22:44 melodie yes, and?
22:44 omnidan which means, it has full quality
22:44 omnidan :P
22:44 melodie ok
22:44 omnidan well, if the recording is good
22:44 melodie so you mean software which can produce good flac format?
22:44 omnidan no
22:44 omnidan they all can
22:44 melodie no
22:44 melodie ok
22:44 omnidan I'm talking about
22:45 omnidan you have a 3x osc for example
22:45 omnidan but the osc doesn't sound "clean"
22:45 melodie cheers
22:45 melodie (I don't know what it refers to)
22:45 omnidan melodie: tl;dr: you notice that professionals worked on fl studio/ableton
22:45 omnidan lol
22:45 omnidan they know about sound design
22:45 melodie ok
22:46 omnidan actually
22:46 omnidan NI ported to osx
22:46 pdurbin melodie: an old friend?
22:46 melodie pdurbin yes, he helped me create some chans and we had many nice talks on IRC, isn't it TrueDD ?
22:47 melodie pdurbin TrueDD is a professional admin sys too
22:47 TrueDD melodie, that's right
22:47 TrueDD :)
22:47 melodie TrueDD pdurbin is a distinguished programmer at Harvard, and has nice websites about their work
22:48 omnidan melodie: result of this discussion: sadly you still need to use windows (or osx) for some sectors :|
22:48 TrueDD hi, pdurbin
22:48 melodie and he has really good advice and pointers when needed!
22:48 * pdurbin laughs at "distinguished"
22:48 melodie omnidan yes, this is sad
22:48 TrueDD nice to meet you
22:48 * omnidan laughs at >academic
22:48 TrueDD nice to meet you all, besides :)
22:48 pdurbin TrueDD: you might like http://crimsonfu.github.io (#crimsonfu)
22:48 melodie pdurbin that's my way of seeing things, you can't take it out from me ;)
22:49 pdurbin dinner time
22:49 melodie omnidan if all people using the non free software could keep a little part to pay developers for more new software which are missing... what about starting a pledge bank for this purpose?
22:49 melodie pdurbin have a good dinner!
22:50 omnidan melodie: I doubt the music industry will change anytime soon, most studios use osx
22:50 melodie http://www.en-gb.pledgebank.com/
22:50 omnidan melodie: but at least osx is based on bsd :P
22:50 TrueDD indeed, I do like, pdurbin!
22:50 alphad unix so
22:51 omnidan well bsd is unix
22:51 melodie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PledgeBank
22:51 melodie TrueDD then you could also have a foot in #crimsonfu
22:51 TrueDD pdurbin, there's something about Ruby that I have to learn very soon
22:51 melodie (or a little mouse-foot :D )
22:52 melodie omnidan do you know pledges?
22:52 omnidan yes, melodie
22:52 melodie ok
22:53 melodie you could start one and advertise for it, and even link it to some of your professional projects
22:53 omnidan >professional projects
22:53 omnidan implying I have any
22:53 omnidan :P
22:53 omnidan related to music that is
22:54 omnidan I'm a shitty musician
22:55 melodie omnidan
22:55 omnidan yes?
22:55 TrueDD melodie, I am in. it seems ... quiet :)
22:56 melodie "Omnidian is the passionate user of music software and free software who has initiated a pledge to finance the creation of better open source software dedicated to music. He is also the CTO of a new software company which provides this and that..."
22:56 melodie :D
22:57 omnidan no thanks :P
22:57 melodie TrueDD yes, it's dinner time in US, and many people on this chan are from US
22:57 melodie omnidan ;)
22:57 omnidan they'll refer me to ardour and tell me it is decent
22:57 omnidan :P
22:57 omnidan I mean
22:57 omnidan it is
22:57 omnidan it just doesn't support the VSTs I want well
22:57 omnidan it's the same issue we have with games
22:57 melodie pledge could be the way to go
22:57 omnidan people just write the VSTs for windows
22:58 omnidan melodie: that's like starting a pledge "port all windows games to linux"
22:58 melodie whatever you say on the pledge :( 1x10 euros ) x n
22:58 melodie omnidan not quite the same
22:58 omnidan the problem is not the DAW
22:58 omnidan it's the VSTs
22:58 TrueDD melodie, I know what time it is there, for I have some friends arround the US
22:58 melodie if you want just one app which does what you want...
22:58 TrueDD :)
22:59 melodie or one set of libs
22:59 omnidan melodie: well there are DAWs which do what I want on linux
22:59 omnidan a DAW consists of many plugins though, these are called VSTs/VSTis
22:59 melodie TrueDD any question you ask can be answered later or the day after, because they are also using the logs to catch up
22:59 omnidan and those plugins often come bundled with it
22:59 melodie ok
22:59 omnidan and most of those plugins are not available on linux
23:00 omnidan it's not just one app
23:00 omnidan it's multiple synths and effects that I use
23:00 melodie well, I have to go now, but you can continue talk about it. I'll read later.
23:00 melodie Good evening all
23:00 omnidan I'll go to bed soon anyway
23:00 melodie :)
23:00 TrueDD melodie, good to know, thanks, for the info :)
23:00 omnidan I wonder if maximus works on linux :P
23:00 melodie TrueDD you are my guest ;)
23:01 melodie omnidan try with wine if it is a windows app? never know?
23:01 omnidan melodie: it's a dll
23:01 TrueDD melodie, :)
23:01 omnidan .dll
23:01 arthefact hello and good evening
23:01 omnidan maybe you could load it with some hack but ugh
23:01 omnidan it's just going to be ugly
23:01 omnidan and crashy
23:01 melodie arthefact you can talk about music with omnidan ? (and even talk in German)
23:01 TrueDD good evening, arthefact, glad to see you in here :)
23:01 arthefact yes i confirm vst's ares not linux compatible
23:01 melodie omnidan arthefact  is French and talks German very well
23:02 omnidan oh cool
23:02 arthefact hello TrueDD
23:02 arthefact hello melodie
23:02 TrueDD arthefact, how's it going?
23:02 omnidan melodie: in fact I am probably better at writing casual english than casual german though
23:02 omnidan *writing and speaking
23:02 arthefact but if you hav wine installed on your system you can run som vst's but you should try one after one if it work's or not
23:03 omnidan arthefact: too much effort, it's just one machine anyway :P
23:03 omnidan the studio pc
23:03 omnidan and as we bought fl studio
23:03 omnidan producer edition, even
23:03 omnidan wouldn't make sense to use anything else now
23:04 arthefact in lmms vst's work's but as i said not all
23:04 omnidan only .so's
23:04 omnidan and the default set of vsts in lmms sucks a lot
23:04 arthefact yes :/
23:05 omnidan arthefact: so you make music too?
23:05 arthefact yes i do
23:05 arthefact dub dubstep electrodub
23:05 arthefact whith lmms
23:05 arthefact in debian
23:05 arthefact ;)
23:05 omnidan well wow
23:06 omnidan arthefact: I'm in a band and we do rock and dnb
23:06 omnidan and indie
23:06 arthefact oh cool whith a bend
23:06 arthefact band*
23:06 omnidan we record to fl studio though and then I do the mastering in fl
23:07 omnidan arthefact: wanna show me some of your tracks?
23:07 arthefact yes :)
23:07 arthefact hav u flash in ?
23:07 arthefact http://snd.sc/1b5tHUl
23:08 omnidan nice
23:09 omnidan I personally don't like the genre that much though
23:09 arthefact :)
23:12 arthefact ok if you dont like my music i go to bed  :p  <==is a joke !
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23:12 arthefact ;)
23:12 arthefact good night all
23:12 omnidan night, I'll go too now
23:14 slystone1 arthefact: Sprichst Du gern Deutsch?
23:14 arthefact ja wieso ?
23:15 slystone1 Ich will mein Deutsch verbessern. Ich bin nicht flussig, aber Ich lese jeden Tag um Vorschritte zu machen.
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23:16 arthefact wow mein deutch ist basich wass dass schreiben angeht
23:16 arthefact ich mache viele fehler
23:17 slystone1 Ich machen mehreren. ^^
23:17 arthefact jetzt ich will gerne behilflich sein wenn ich kann
23:17 slystone1 Prima! \o/
23:17 slystone1 Ich könnte manchmal Fragen haben.
23:18 slystone1 (not tonight)
23:18 arthefact ich mache mehr  <=> Ich machen mehreren
23:18 arthefact ;)
23:18 slystone1 Ja, richtig!
23:19 slystone1 Ok, we can resume in English. ;) melodie, omnidan
23:19 arthefact is an international channel here :)
23:20 slystone1 Fuck yeah! \o/
23:20 arthefact ok
23:20 arthefact good night
23:20 arthefact :)
23:20 slystone1 GN arthefact :)
23:22 arthefact here a share if someone love heare my music http://snd.sc/1b5tHUl
23:24 slystone1 arthefact: I take note (I have a very limited connection right now).
23:45 slystone1 GN *
23:48 TrueDD gn, slystone1
23:48 slystone1 :)
23:49 alphad_ Oups trop tard
23:50 TrueDD alphad_, oui, ça m'arrive souvent aussi :)

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