Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #linuxvillage, 2013-11-29

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19:56 alphad bonsoir
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19:58 yzeew hello
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20:08 melodie salut
20:09 melodie salut yzeew alphad NoNa coyotus
20:09 arthefact salut melodie
20:09 melodie et tout l'monde !
20:09 coyotus soir
20:09 NoNa coucou melodie
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20:56 slystone1 Greuh !
21:13 alphad salut melodie
21:14 alphad melodie: opensuse gere parfaitement l'uefi et meme le boot sécurisé
21:39 melodie salut alphad salut slystone1 greu
21:39 melodie salut Goodbox
21:39 Goodbox Salut melodie
21:39 melodie comment allez-vous, tout le monde ? :D
21:40 alphad salut melodie
21:40 alphad bien et toi?
21:40 melodie Goodbox félicitations, le site linuxvillage.org se porte déjà bien mieux !
21:40 melodie alphad pas chaud
21:40 alphad l'hiver s'annonce?
21:41 Goodbox Ça va bien !
21:42 alphad il fait chaud ici chez moi tandis qu'au nord du pays c'est l'harmattan qui atteindra le seul courant janvier
21:42 alphad seul=sud
21:46 melodie ben moi j'en ai assez de vivre dans un pays pas chaud
21:46 melodie et en plus c'est plein de pauvres ! :D
21:46 * melodie n'a pas assez de boulot
21:48 slystone1 Greuh melodie, greuh alphad, re Goodbox
21:49 alphad lu slystone1
21:49 Goodbox kiba!
21:49 slystone1 melodie: pas assez chaud ? Tu rigoles, t'es en région tropicale ! :o
21:49 slystone1 Déjà que sur la côte nord on n'a pas un pouce de neige pour le moment…
21:50 melodie slystone1 oui c'est ça
21:50 melodie pour ça qu'il a fait -5 la nuit dernière et que dans ma cuisine on a 12° en chauffant un peu
21:51 melodie mais toi tu es un yéti des pays froid, c'est pour ça que tu me dis ça !
21:52 slystone1 12° pour l'intérieur ça commence à être juste. Maison mal isolée ?
21:53 slystone1 melodie: bah j'aime bien le froid (du moins il ne me dérange pas).
21:53 melodie je n'ai rien contre, mais dehors, pas dans la maison
21:54 slystone1 melodie: je comprends. Sinon tu prends un ou deux pc avec du AMD/ATI, ça réchauffe tout de suite une pièce ces bêtes (bon ok j'exagère un brin).
21:54 melodie je voulais relancer mon T60 mais il a décidé de lâcher
21:55 melodie j'attends une nouvelle carte père :/
21:55 slystone1 RIP brave petit T60.
21:55 melodie slystone1 y'a un poële à bois qui chauffe mais pas assez à mon goût
21:56 slystone1 Moi j'ai mon premier Thinkpad depuis une semaine, et je l'adore déjà. ♥
21:56 melodie non par rip, une partie de la carte mère mais on en a commandé une autre sur ebay
21:56 melodie slystone1 je te crois !
21:56 melodie tu n'a plus qu'à mettre une partition de côté pour Bento !  ♥
21:57 melodie il y a une version de plus à essayer en RC d'ailleurs et un nouvel espace de téléchargement
21:57 melodie fourni par phillw, un contributeur Lubuntu
21:57 slystone1 melodie: yep. Je vais pouvoir télécharger la dernière mouture, j'ai enfin récupéré l'ADSL aujourd'hui (je commençais à désespérer).
21:57 slystone1 melodie: ah cool ! Sauce ?
21:58 melodie http://phillw.net/isos/
21:58 slystone1 Si tu veux je te fais un torrent un de ces quatre. :)
21:58 melodie descriptions:
21:58 slystone1 Merci \o/
21:58 melodie http://linuxvillage.org/blog/2013/11/15/bento-ubuntu-remix-rc/
21:59 melodie and in English, reviewed by English natives: http://linuxvillage.org/en/2013/11/bento-ubuntu-remix-rc/
21:59 slystone1 melodie: http://melodie.citrotux.org/2013/11/19/the-programmed-end-of-the-free-seeds/ ← t'avais un article en français à la base ou pas ?
22:01 melodie slystone1 non, j'ai tout écrit d'un jet, et traduit les citations après
22:01 melodie pourquoi ?
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22:02 melodie slystone1 ? Proposerais-tu de le traduire en français ?
22:02 melodie salut Biaise
22:02 slystone1 melodie: je vais m'en inspirer et te linker dans ce cas.
22:03 melodie Biaise je te propose la lecture de ce billet: http://melodie.citrotux.org/2013/11/19/the-programmed-end-of-the-free-seeds/
22:03 Biaise lu
22:03 Biaise pourquoi ?
22:03 Biaise (jai bcp de trucs à lire ^^)
22:04 slystone1 Re Biaise
22:04 Biaise pfff cest en anglais
22:04 melodie Biaise oui c'est ça le problème de tout le monde, les gens ont trop d'information alors l'essentiel est perdu dans le flot
22:05 melodie Biaise ben lis le titre, ça sera un début ?
22:05 Biaise je comprends pas le titre
22:05 melodie la fin programmée de la semence libre
22:05 Biaise ah putain ayé
22:05 Biaise j'ai compris
22:05 Biaise ça parle d'agriculture en fait
22:07 melodie Biaise pas que d'agriculture, de liberté de jardiner et de resemer, et de liberté d'échanger et de vendre
22:07 Biaise oui oui
22:08 Biaise je sias qu'en france y a des conservatoires d'anciennes espèces de fruits et légumes
22:08 Biaise jme demande ce qu'ils vont devenir
22:08 melodie bref, les semenciers du monde veulent grignoter jusqu'à avaler tout et prendre le contrôle total sur l'alimentation
22:08 Biaise s'il vont arriver à lutter
22:08 Biaise bah oui
22:08 Biaise c'est une source de pouvoir
22:08 Biaise on va en arriver à jardiner clandestinement
22:08 Biaise les futurs rebels seront des semeurs de patates
22:15 alphad je re
22:15 slystone1 +Biaise | les futurs rebels seront des semeurs de patates ← j'aimerais dire que tu te trompes, mais… euh, wait!
22:18 melodie slystone1 c'est la même chose que dit un des gars dont j'ai cité un extrait: c'est un magazine anglophone sur le web
22:18 melodie les contrebandiers de demain seront des gens faisant des sous en vendant des graines clandestinement (il le dit à peu près comme ça)
22:22 slystone1 yep…
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22:27 pdurbin plop
22:30 melodie hi pdurbin
22:30 pdurbin melodie: how are you?
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22:32 melodie pdurbin cold, it's winter here
22:32 melodie hi ben2morrow__ hello ZeuS61
22:32 melodie pdurbin how are you?
22:32 pdurbin cold here too. windy. I'm in NYC for Thanksgiving visiting friends
22:33 ZeuS61 hi all
22:33 ZeuS61 coment melodie?
22:34 melodie pdurbin and what about this "black friday" day? what is it about? read about it here and there and I haven't a clue
22:34 melodie and also there would be again a special day on monday, same, no idea about it!
22:35 melodie ZeuS61 pdurbin ne parle pas le français
22:35 melodie à part "plop" :D
22:35 ZeuS61 i see
22:35 omnidan https://github.com/omnidan/git-leaf
22:35 ZeuS61 not a problem for me
22:35 melodie hi omnidan
22:35 omnidan hi melodie
22:35 ZeuS61 i'm trying myself in english
22:35 omnidan cool :)
22:36 omnidan I speak german and english
22:36 slystone1 omnidan: show off! :p
22:36 melodie omnidan I thought readme.md files where supposed to be read by human beings?
22:36 melodie ^_o
22:36 pdurbin melodie: yes, it's black friday
22:36 omnidan melodie: well yes?
22:37 omnidan slystone1: huh?
22:37 slystone1 Hi pdurbin! :)
22:37 omnidan slystone1: speaking two languages is not that special :P
22:37 ZeuS61 hi purdbin
22:37 ZeuS61 oups
22:37 ZeuS61 excuse myself
22:37 ZeuS61 pdurbin,
22:37 pdurbin slystone1 and ZeuS61: hi
22:37 ZeuS61 :!
22:37 ZeuS61 :)
22:37 ZeuS61 how are you?
22:37 slystone1 omnidan: I'm kidding! ;) It was just funny after ZeuS61 saying « I'm trying myself in English ». ^^
22:37 ZeuS61 and the day?
22:37 Biaise well
22:38 ZeuS61 i see
22:38 ZeuS61 so slystone1
22:38 ZeuS61 you're laughing me?
22:38 ZeuS61 huuh?
22:38 omnidan ZeuS61: no, he just found my comment funny
22:39 Biaise another week checking the gas quantity and quality calculing of some pipelines
22:39 slystone1 ZeuS61: no, I'm laughing with you (I hope).
22:39 Biaise I feel a little sleepy
22:39 Biaise good night
22:39 ZeuS61 no problemas
22:39 melodie good  night Biaise
22:39 ZeuS61 good night Biaise
22:39 slystone1 Sweet dreams Biaise :)
22:39 melodie pdurbin so what is the black friday about?
22:39 omnidan night
22:39 pdurbin melodie: shopping
22:39 ZeuS61 i will stay away for a moment
22:39 melodie :o
22:39 slystone1 melodie: in a word? Consumerism!
22:39 melodie no stores opened?
22:40 ZeuS61 i'm doing some work on mikrotik router os
22:40 melodie or no one goes shopping?
22:40 Biaise lol
22:40 pdurbin everyone but me is shopping
22:40 ZeuS61 no one
22:40 melodie pdurbin how come?
22:40 omnidan melodie: everything is cheaper
22:40 pdurbin I'm hacking on weechat plugins for the first time. It's fun :)
22:40 melodie pdurbin :p
22:40 melodie omnidan because it is black friday?
22:41 omnidan melodie: I think so, not too sure either though
22:41 slystone1 Weechat ♥
22:42 melodie slystone1 :D
22:42 pdurbin slystone1: do you use any weechat scripts?
22:43 pdurbin this is the one I'm playing with: http://www.weechat.org/scripts/source/hotlist2extern.pl.html/
22:44 melodie what is a hotlist btw?
22:44 * melodie not even ashamed to ask basic questions
22:45 pdurbin melodie: the "Act" part of the status bar: http://www.weechat.org/files/doc/stable/weechat_user.en.html#screen_layout
22:45 pdurbin Act for Activity
22:46 melodie I look
22:46 Seditio hey
22:47 melodie hi Seditio !
22:48 melodie the activity?
22:48 melodie the content of the discussions then?
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22:49 pdurbin melodie: yeah. in that example there's activity (2 unread messages) in the #abc channel
22:49 pdurbin I'm not sure what the 5 means
22:50 alphad re
22:50 pdurbin oh, "in example, 2 highlights and 5 unread messages on #abc"
22:51 melodie ok
22:51 omnidan melodie: so, what do you think about my app?
22:52 melodie omnidan "What is gif-leaf?
22:52 melodie git-leaf is an application that allows you to view the history of a git repository in a simple and beautiful way."
22:53 melodie I am not an expert about git
22:53 melodie pdurbin what do you think of omnidan's https://github.com/omnidan/git-leaf ?
22:53 omnidan well basically you have gitk and gitg and all that stuff, but the UI isn't that great
22:53 melodie pdurbin would you want to fork omnidan's repos?
22:54 pdurbin hmm. I'm pretty happy with gitk. I'm ok with ugly :)
22:54 melodie "ok with ugly" Lol
22:54 omnidan gitk also doesn't do something I want to add to git-leaf
22:55 omnidan first of all, I can't switch branches in gitk
22:55 omnidan I need to do it with git and then reload gitk
22:55 omnidan secondly, I want to have a tree, similar to github's repo/fork/branch tree
22:56 pdurbin omnidan: even with gitk --all?
22:56 omnidan pdurbin: well that shows all, doesn't let me switch though
22:56 omnidan :P
22:56 pdurbin :)
22:56 pdurbin omnidan: you're using https://github.com/rogerwang/node-webkit ?
22:56 omnidan yes
22:57 pdurbin I'm thinking about playing with node
22:57 pdurbin of course, I think about playing with a lot of things :)
22:57 omnidan the only problem I have with NW is that the standalone executables are quite big and if you want to use the nw files, there's no easy way to manage them
22:57 omnidan so nw files are pretty much "advanced" users only
22:57 omnidan and even for advanced users, it's still effort
23:00 slystone1 pdurbin: no, just the basic ones: buffers.pl, beep.pl, unwanted command…
23:00 pdurbin omnidan: wait, it is "just" a webapp? it runs in a brower? or is it a gtk app or something?
23:01 pdurbin slystone1: hmm, I didn't have any scripts loaded before this. not even those
23:01 omnidan pdurbin: download it, it's a fully fledged app
23:01 slystone1 pdurbin: not even buffers.pl ?
23:01 omnidan but no, it doesn't use gtk
23:01 omnidan and no, it doesn't run in a browser
23:02 omnidan it can run in a browser though
23:02 omnidan as a browser extension for example
23:03 pdurbin omnidan: 29 MB! not just a webapp, I guess :)
23:03 omnidan that's what I meant
23:03 omnidan [23:57:37] <+omnidan> the only problem I have with NW is that the standalone executables are quite big and if you want to use the nw files, there's no easy way to manage them
23:03 omnidan it is a webapp, it doesn't run in a browser though
23:03 pdurbin ./git-leaf: error while loading shared libraries: libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
23:03 omnidan also *just* a webapp
23:03 omnidan lol
23:04 omnidan pdurbin: do you run wayland or an outdated X11 version?
23:04 pdurbin omnidan: do you do 32 and 64 bit builds?
23:04 omnidan yes
23:05 pdurbin hmm, I already have /usr/lib64/libX11.so.6
23:05 omnidan did you run the 64bit version?
23:06 pdurbin oh. duh. one moment :)
23:06 omnidan if you run 32bit programs on 64bit linux you need ia32-libs
23:07 pdurbin ./git-leaf: error while loading shared libraries: libudev.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
23:07 omnidan what distro do you run?
23:07 pdurbin fedora 19
23:07 omnidan what desktop environment?
23:08 pdurbin gnome 3
23:08 omnidan that's odd, you should have libudev
23:09 omnidan the worst thing is, this isn't even my fault
23:09 omnidan pdurbin: still, install libudev0
23:09 omnidan not sure what the package name on fedora is
23:09 pdurbin I have /usr/lib64/libudev.so.1 and /opt/google/chrome/libudev.so.0
23:09 omnidan it won't search in /opt
23:09 pdurbin the former is owned by systemd-libs-204-17.fc19.x86_64
23:10 omnidan pdurbin: webkit hasn't been compiled for udev1 yet
23:10 omnidan which is why chrome packages its own libudev.so.0
23:10 omnidan you need to install libudev.so.0
23:10 omnidan err
23:10 omnidan libudev0
23:10 pdurbin omnidan: so my distro is *too* advanced ;)
23:10 omnidan I wouldn't say advanced
23:11 omnidan it just uses new standards
23:11 pdurbin well, I'll wait for webkit to catch up :)
23:11 melodie omnidan pdurbin are you sure omnidan's package does not just look at another place? Such as /usr/lib or such instead of looking also for /usr/lib64/* ?
23:11 omnidan just install libudev0
23:11 omnidan melodie: not the issue
23:11 melodie ok
23:11 omnidan I don't even do that
23:11 omnidan linux searches for the libs
23:11 pdurbin omnidan: that's ok, I'm happy with gitk :)
23:12 omnidan pdurbin: you can copy the libudev.so.0 to the folder though
23:12 omnidan cp /opt/google/chrome/libudev.so.0 /wherever/you/downloaded/git-leaf
23:14 pdurbin omnidan: ok, it launches now
23:15 omnidan pdurbin: cool, when I get around it I'll make an rpm package that installs the deps
23:15 pdurbin I only see my most recent commit
23:15 omnidan :P
23:15 omnidan pdurbin: are you on the right branch?
23:15 pdurbin I only have "master"
23:16 omnidan pdurbin: is this a public repo?
23:16 pdurbin omnidan: yes: https://github.com/pdurbin/scripts
23:16 omnidan I'll check it
23:16 melodie bbl
23:16 pdurbin omnidan: ok, but don't worry about it :)
23:17 pdurbin omnidan: I installed your app, now you have to install https://github.com/iqss/dvn ;)
23:17 omnidan pdurbin: sure, I'll do that later. hmm, weird, I'm getting all commits when loading your repo
23:18 omnidan pdurbin: if it's not too much effort for you, could you maybe, tar your local repo and send it to me so I can check if there's a difference?
23:19 omnidan pdurbin: what do I do with dvn?
23:19 omnidan oh it's java
23:19 omnidan I don't have java installed, sorry :|
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23:23 pdurbin_m omnidan: yeah, java
23:28 omnidan pdurbin_m: how would I run it anyway?
23:30 pdurbin_m omnidan: in a java ee container. like jboss or glassfish
23:30 omnidan oh
23:32 omnidan pdurbin_m: the only thin I ever did for a university was https://github.com/omnidan/python-latex for tuwien.ac.at
23:33 omnidan *thing
23:36 pdurbin_m people at work love latex
23:38 pdurbin_m and R
23:42 slystone1 GN / BN *
23:55 melodie Goodbox es-tu par là ?
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23:57 Seditio melodie, j'ai un problème :(
23:57 melodie penses-tu que nous puissions t'aider ?
23:58 melodie salut alphad
23:58 melodie Seditio énonce ton problème ?
23:58 Seditio je veux nemo mais pas la dépendence cinnamon-desktop sur mon archlinux :(
23:58 Seditio (j'utilise gnome, grand fou que je suis)
23:58 Seditio mais genre quand tu lance nemo
23:58 Seditio il te remplace le fond décran par du noir
23:59 Seditio et si tu lance n'importe quel autre application gtk il remet le fond de gnome

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