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IRC log for #linuxvillage, 2014-06-04

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00:00 gsilva okay
00:00 gsilva I'm at software sources
00:00 melodie but you don't want to edit your sources.list in terminal, I won't walk you through the use of mecedit or vim, not now at least
00:00 gsilva I have the universe box checked
00:00 melodie have you entered your password?
00:01 pdurbin gsilva: tell us your password
00:01 pdurbin kidding!
00:01 gsilva :)
00:01 gsilva Community-maintained free and open-source software (universe)
00:02 gsilva That's the box
00:02 gsilva and it was already checked
00:02 melodie ok
00:03 melodie what about "apt-cache search jekyll" ?
00:03 melodie without the quotes of course
00:04 melodie pdurbin I'm going to browse some of the lists presented at freelists.org that seems a good place
00:04 gsilva output:
00:04 gsilva jekyll - Simple, blog aware, static site generator
00:04 gsilva ttf-aenigma - 465 free TrueType fonts by Brian Kent
00:05 melodie oh there is an ubuntu list: ubuntu-l10n-it
00:05 melodie gsilva retry installing it?
00:05 gsilva jekyll?
00:06 melodie sudo apt-get install jekyll
00:06 gsilva invalid op
00:06 melodie again?
00:06 melodie you mistyped something maybe?
00:06 gsilva na
00:06 gsilva I'll try installing ruby and rubygems
00:07 gsilva a website mention their dependence
00:07 melodie wait a sec
00:07 melodie something is wrong in your system
00:08 gsilva so, after installing ruby I still get invalid op with sudo apt-get install jekyll, but I have a different output with gem install jekyll
00:08 melodie I show you why:
00:08 melodie no
00:08 melodie just do :
00:09 melodie sudo apt-get --fix-missing
00:09 melodie then reload:
00:09 melodie sudo apt-get update
00:10 gsilva E: Command line option --fix-missing is not understood
00:10 gsilva Did I mentioned I've installed git before?
00:11 melodie in fact yes, you did
00:12 gsilva okay, just thought I could have messed up something with that
00:13 melodie gsilva this is in virtualbox: http://meets.free.fr/images/apt-get-install-jekyll.png
00:13 melodie do you have enough disk space in / ?
00:14 melodie do "df -h" in console?
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00:14 melodie I am dead tired, what about continuing tomorrow or so? :)
00:15 gsilva sure, no problem melodie :)
00:16 gsilva Sorry for nagging you with this anyway :\
00:16 gsilva and yes, I do have enough disk space
00:16 pdurbin again, you don't *really* need jekyll
00:17 gsilva just to preview things, right?
00:18 pdurbin yeah
00:18 gsilva OKay then
00:18 gsilva I guess that I shall wait for when I need it which may not happen soon
00:18 pdurbin ok
00:21 melodie have you seen my pic?
00:21 melodie http://meets.free.fr/images/apt-get-install-jekyll.png
00:21 melodie I have a Bento upgraded to Trusty (RC1 made in Ubuntu builder) and here, that works.
00:22 melodie something might be wrong with your sources.list
00:22 melodie I can paste mine
00:22 gsilva yes, I saw it
00:22 pdurbin gsilva: see? switch to bento. it works :)
00:22 gsilva I'm going to set a VM with Bento and perhaps do all my work from there
00:23 gsilva Just looking for the ISO file I saw a while ago
00:23 melodie http://pastebin.fr/36072
00:24 melodie this one is the latest Bento: http://phillw.net/isos/bento-ubuntu-remix/bento-i686/
00:24 melodie the others work too, but this one is more up to date
00:24 gsilva what's this pastebin? your sourcelist?
00:24 melodie I have to sync the other repo with this one and do a newer 64bits
00:25 melodie gsilva yes, the one from the vbox machine where I pulled the screenshot from
00:25 gsilva what'a the command?
00:25 gsilva what's*
00:29 gsilva installing Bento
00:32 melodie what command are you seeking for?
00:32 gsilva to list sources.list
00:33 melodie you can display is as simple user with a text editor, ie: gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
00:34 melodie where /etc/apt is the directory where the sources.list live
00:34 melodie among other files
00:34 melodie is that what you are trying to do? read the content?
00:35 melodie are you also saying, besides that, that you are being installing Bento? :)
00:35 gsilva I want to check if there's any problem with my sources list
00:35 melodie yes, sure
00:35 gsilva and yes, I'm installing Bento and going to try it before going to bed
00:35 melodie you should
00:36 melodie if you configure the virtual machine to use bridge instead of NAT for the network, you can scp any file from within the virtual guest to your host (did you know?)
00:36 gsilva my computer is dying with to many things processing at the same time
00:37 gsilva It's too late now xD
00:37 melodie then you may want to use Bento instead of the official Ubuntu :)
00:37 melodie yes, it's quite late.
00:38 melodie I have installed Lubuntu Trusty to the old Fujitsu yesterday, and I had to "Bento" it a bit, to make it usable, even Lubuntu is too greedy for it. (celeron cpu heats)
00:38 gsilva We'll see how things go in the future
00:38 melodie yes sure
00:38 gsilva Right now I've installed it to be able to know what I'm talking about :)
00:39 melodie I quit now and wish you and all, pdurbin, people, a good night
00:39 melodie gsilva you are doing right, I like using virtualbox too
00:39 melodie greedy but easy. ^^
00:39 melodie good night!
00:39 gsilva see you melodie
00:39 gsilva good night :)
00:40 gsilva and thanks for helping (+1)
00:40 melodie thanks for coming to learn and to help. :)
00:40 melodie ++
00:44 gsilva Liked it. Congrats guys. I don't have a chance to explore the max of it as I should have gotten into bed a long time ago
00:44 gsilva but it seems good :)
00:48 gsilva thanks for helping pdurbin (+1)
00:48 gsilva see you soon
00:48 gsilva g'night
00:57 pdurbin gsilva: any time
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13:19 melodie bonjour, hello!
13:19 melodie Mo0O ? As-tu reçu mon mail ?
13:19 gsilva hi melodie
13:19 melodie bonjour Mrsfit
13:19 melodie hi gsilva
13:20 melodie I have sent a mail to Mo0O to ask him to add you to the owners group
13:20 gsilva Oki doki :)
13:20 gsilva Thanks
13:21 melodie I have also written a short description, but it needs to be translated to English
13:21 melodie I am connected to #dokuwiki now because I need their help with the translation plugin of the wiki
13:21 melodie it does not show
13:21 gsilva Alright. Do you trust any translator for that?
13:22 melodie yes, myself
13:22 melodie :)
13:22 melodie http://wiki.linuxvillage.org/en/start
13:22 gsilva that will do :P
13:22 melodie http://wiki.linuxvillage.org/fr/start
13:22 melodie but t here is not "fr/en" button on the pages!
13:23 melodie here is the text in French for the description:
13:23 melodie Bento est une Ubuntu Openbox Remix facile à utiliser, construite avec des
13:23 melodie programmes permettant d'en faire l'équivalent d'un bureau complet, en plus léger. Il
13:23 melodie vient avec les programmes souhaités pour l'usage de chaque jour, en bureautique,
13:23 melodie multimédia, et internet, et des outils supplémentaires pour les utilisateurs avertis.
13:23 gsilva ok :)
13:24 gsilva I'm going to do some backups cause I'm afraid my computer is dying
13:24 melodie Bento is an Ubuntu Openbox Remix easy to use, built with programs allowing to make it look like a full fledged desktop, while lighter. It comes with the desired programs for the everyday use, Office, Multimedia, and Internet, and additional tools for the more advanced users.
13:25 melodie ok gsilva
13:25 melodie above is the short description I was telling you about yesterday, and if you don't pick it up right now you can find it later in the server's logs.
13:26 gsilva Oki doki :)
13:26 gsilva I'll insert that in short
13:26 melodie gsilva once your backups done, you could tell me/us here what seems wrong in your computer.
13:27 gsilva melodie, I've written what's happening at phillw
13:27 melodie you can copy paste and mail it to me if you want.
13:29 gsilva it's okay
13:29 gsilva I have no idea what's going on
13:29 gsilva most of the information online mention that it's related with dust
13:29 gsilva seems logical but there's no explanation for that since it started suddenly on its own :s
13:30 melodie send me the copy by mail and I look
13:30 melodie what computer is it? laptop? what is the brand and model? do you say in your explanation?
13:31 gsilva latop, asus KJ 52 C
13:34 arthefact wow it seem relativ new
13:35 melodie hi arthefact
13:35 arthefact hello all
13:35 melodie arthefact have you found my email?
13:35 gsilva yes arthefact, it has 4 years I think
13:35 melodie gsilva I got the doc of your lappy I'll look now by the time you send your mail to me
13:35 arthefact no i had network problems and i cant check my mail
13:35 melodie oh bad :(
13:35 arthefact but i try now
13:36 melodie ok
13:37 arthefact ok donc il manques des traductions sur l'autostart-de
13:40 melodie arthefact je ne sais pas
13:41 arthefact j'ai comme un petit souci
13:41 melodie je ne sais pas ce que dit le texte en allemand au dessus de la partie que j'ai révisée mais apparemment omnidan ne comprend pas ce qui y est écrit
13:41 arthefact sur mon autostart-de les traductions ont disparue
13:41 melodie gsilva I got your email.
13:41 gsilva I've only seen my pc buffing like this once... and was when I had so many things opened and heavy softwares
13:41 arthefact bon j'ai du faire une couille
13:42 arthefact je vais revoir ça ce soir
13:42 melodie gsilva have you had any updates before you went for lunch?
13:42 gsilva nope
13:42 melodie gsilva do you have a dual boot on this machine ? (out of curiosity)
13:42 gsilva yes
13:43 melodie do you have the same behavior with Windows ?
13:43 melodie arthefact dans le mail il y a le lien vers le pastebin : c'est la version autostart-de que Dan m'a renvoyée, tu peux prendre celle-là, puisque c'est la plus à jour
13:43 gsilva yes
13:44 arthefact ok
13:44 gsilva I'd like to create a zip file with several parts, each one with 4 gigabytes. Any suggestion on how to do this, since doing it via ubuntu's compressor isn't working for some reason?
13:44 melodie arthefact " > Translated the rest though: http://pastebin.de/126904 "
13:45 melodie gsilva do you use another machine right now?
13:45 arthefact merci
13:45 melodie arthefact c'est dans le mail que je t'ai envoyé, il suffit de lire la réponse de Dan
13:45 gsilva no melodie
13:45 arthefact et dsl j'ai du faire une connerie quelque part
13:45 gsilva I don't have any unless mobile
13:46 melodie gsilva how large is the amount of data you need to backup?
13:46 gsilva circa 40 giga
13:46 gsilva perhaps it's not working because it is stored in Windows
13:46 melodie what media do you have to do that? external driver or so?
13:46 gsilva so I'll have to do that later
13:46 gsilva I don't have any
13:46 melodie so where do you want to send your backup to?
13:46 gsilva I'm going to try and pile up everything between Gdrive, Mega, Dropbox and CloudPT
13:47 melodie ok
13:47 melodie then you do as simple user:
13:47 melodie in console:
13:47 melodie well
13:47 melodie first you place your files in folders let's say "folder1", "folder2"...
13:47 melodie then from outside that folder, on the top level directory, in the console:
13:48 melodie zip -r folder1.zip folder1 // I never know in which order, you try, if it's the other way then it will be "zip -r folder1 folder1.zip - but I think it's the first method
13:49 gsilva It's too many files
13:49 melodie or you can look at "man zip" where you have the syntax
13:49 gsilva there's a way to automatically split things when doing zip files
13:49 gsilva I'll try that on windows soon
13:49 gsilva Just uploading other items first
13:49 melodie is windows making the fan speed also?
13:50 melodie I have heard about the automatic split method but I have never used it, I don't need that kind of method
13:50 melodie I prefer making tar.xz files and use ftp :)
13:51 gsilva I found out I have 50 gigas on Mega
13:51 gsilva lol
13:51 gsilva I can almost upload it directly
13:51 Mo0O hi there
13:51 melodie hello Mo0O !
13:51 gsilva hi melodie
13:51 gsilva oops
13:51 gsilva Mo0O :)
13:52 Mo0O salut melodie ;)
13:52 Mo0O hi gsilva
13:52 melodie Mo0O gsilva est du Portugal alors nous communiquons en anglais. ;)
13:52 Mo0O melodie: I wrote your mail
13:52 melodie I look!
13:52 Mo0O ok
13:52 melodie it's not there yet
13:53 Mo0O melodie: non, j'ai lu le tiens, je me suis trompé... :$
13:53 melodie Mo0O I have written above, the translation for the description
13:53 melodie ah
13:53 Mo0O ok
13:53 melodie you read my mail :D
13:54 Mo0O yes :)
13:54 Mo0O ^^
13:54 arthefact you can hav 25gigas for free on hubic gsilva
13:54 gsilva thanks arthefact
13:54 gsilva I guess this is enough for now
13:54 gsilva :)
13:54 Mo0O gsilva: you're added to the bento-dev github group
13:54 gsilva so, I basically can't do much from Ubuntu
13:54 gsilva I have to switch to Windows to save my personal stuff
13:54 gsilva Okay Mo0O, thank you :)
13:55 gsilva see you later everyone
13:55 Mo0O thanks to you gsilva ;)
13:55 Mo0O see you
13:55 arthefact but 4 years is not a lot of time for a laptop
13:55 melodie gsilva next I'll see with you how you can remove the dust from there
13:55 melodie Mo0O http://irclog.perlgeek.de/linuxvillage/2014-06-04#i_8819453
13:55 melodie the description
13:56 melodie arthefact it's a lot of time for the need of cleaning the dust out :)
13:56 Mo0O ok thanks, I change it on http://bento-dev.github.io/
13:56 melodie Mo0O do you have the odt file I sent you with the specs for the ui project?
13:57 Mo0O yes, I send you right now
13:57 melodie thanks
13:57 Mo0O sent
13:58 melodie making the ui project a sub-project for Bento is ok for you? It's logical?
13:58 Mo0O melodie: tell me if it's not what you're looking for
13:58 Mo0O melodie: I prefer making no sub project, only projet
13:58 arthefact ha ben dans le fichier que je viens de lire tout est traduit
13:59 Mo0O one for bento, and another one for the ui
13:59 melodie right on, that's it Mo0O
13:59 Mo0O one project... per project :D
14:00 melodie Mo0O I'll leave that up to you and to gsilva he is a student and his specialty is communication and organization. He is willing to help develop the Bento project, so I think you two might want to have talks together next, especially as he just started learning about the github ways?
14:01 Mo0O melodie: do you want me to change all the text in http://bento-dev.github.io/ home with http://irclog.perlgeek.de/linuxvillage/2014-06-04#i_8819453
14:01 Mo0O ?
14:01 melodie yes, I think this is what I suggested.
14:01 melodie but you should keep a copy of the actual text, for the ui project which you want to create separately
14:02 Mo0O all or just part, of it
14:02 Mo0O ?
14:02 Mo0O I think the first p is nice
14:03 melodie this is a good question, same answer, please see with gsilva
14:03 Mo0O ok
14:03 Mo0O I'll
14:03 Mo0O see
14:03 melodie I'll put up a mailing list soon
14:03 Mo0O great
14:03 Mo0O :)
14:03 Mo0O sounds nice
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14:04 melodie Mrsfit que désires-tu exactement ? Tu  veux peut-être te présenter ?
14:04 Mrsfit je suis Biaise
14:04 melodie ah !
14:04 melodie salut
14:04 Mrsfit et j'essaie d'enregistrer mon nouveau pseudo
14:04 Mrsfit et j'y arrive pas
14:04 melodie je ne t'avais pas reconnue :D
14:04 Mrsfit alors je rale
14:05 melodie bon je vais t'aider:
14:05 Mrsfit :)
14:05 arthefact /nickserv register ton mail ton pass
14:05 melodie http://citrotux.org/blog/2008/06/07/irc-enregistrer-son-pseudo/
14:05 melodie merci arthefact
14:05 Mrsfit merci à vous deux
14:05 melodie :)
14:05 arthefact tu doit avoir le nouveau pseudo sur ton client
14:05 melodie avec plaisir
14:05 Mrsfit oh mince je commence çà buguer des doigts
14:05 melodie pourquoi veux-tu changer de pseudo ?
14:06 Mrsfit je tremble en ce moment, chiant pour écrire
14:06 melodie tu as pris froid ?
14:06 Mrsfit pour pas être sous le même nom partout, voici :)
14:06 * melodie tend une tisane chaude à Mrsfit
14:06 Mrsfit nan, maladie, médicament etc compliqué
14:06 melodie j'arrive, attendez !
14:06 Mrsfit si seulement, ma copine dors, si je veux une tisane c pour ma pomme à préparer :D
14:08 Mrsfit ah, ça ma dit que mon MDP n'étais pas un mail valide :D
14:08 Mrsfit hop, inversé et ça marche :) :)
14:08 melodie ok !
14:09 Mo0O https://github.com/bento-dev/bento-dev.github.io updated melodie gsilva
14:09 melodie thanks Mo0O
14:09 Mo0O nop
14:09 arthefact tu peut aussi ajuter des pseudos a un groupe de pseudos
14:09 melodie Mo0O not good
14:09 Mo0O why ?
14:09 arthefact en faisant //nickserv group
14:10 Mo0O melodie: or what ?
14:10 melodie I told gsilva that I didn't want this whole text there, there is wayayay too much to read
14:10 arthefact mais faut verrifier la sythaxe exacte
14:10 melodie this is the readme.txt which I put in the repos where the isos are
14:10 melodie Mo0O I told you above:
14:10 Mo0O oops :D
14:10 melodie Mo0O http://irclog.perlgeek.de/linuxvillage/2014-06-04#i_8819453
14:10 melodie short description
14:11 Mo0O this descriptionis for http://bento-dev.github.io/ or https://github.com/bento-dev/bento-dev.github.io ?
14:11 melodie there is a difference betweek taking sources of inspiration and using the texts as is, if you see what I mean?
14:11 melodie Mo0O can you explain the difference between the two, to me?
14:12 melodie Mrsfit bon en tout cas, prends bien soin de toi !
14:12 melodie vitamines, fruits frais etc. :)
14:13 Mo0O [this one](http://bento-dev.github.io/) is the project with the sources of [this website](https://github.com/bento-dev/bento-dev.github.io)
14:13 Mrsfit Bon, y a plus quy'à changer mon pseudo sur geeknode, et là chuis proprio de chans, et le bot est C
14:13 Mrsfit je vais en chier
14:13 melodie Mo0O ça ne me dit pas pourquoi le texte devrait être différent sur les deux ?
14:14 melodie et surtout, ne pas garder ce "pull request" de gsilva
14:14 arthefact j'y go @ + tard
14:14 Mo0O yep
14:14 melodie c'est totalement inapproprité
14:14 melodie salut arthefact
14:15 melodie Mo0O pardon, ; inapproprié
14:15 Mo0O http://bento-dev.github.io/ ça c'est les sources du site web, pas le site web
14:15 melodie humm
14:15 melodie ok faisons simple alors ?
14:16 Mo0O donc le readme ne devrait avoir que des info liées a le gestion du site web, par les info du site web
14:16 melodie disons que tu archives le projet User Interface
14:16 melodie et que tu le remplaces par le projet Bento, la suite
14:16 melodie qu'en penses-tu ?
14:17 melodie tu veux voir l'objectif à court terme ?
14:17 Mo0O simple: 1 groupe, 1 site web, 1 project pour le site web, 1 pour l'ui, etc ...
14:17 Mo0O tout les projets faisant partie du meme group
14:17 melodie mais quel site web ?
14:17 Mo0O http://bento-dev.github.io/
14:17 melodie on a besoin d'un site web donc ?
14:17 melodie si je dis (supposons):
14:18 melodie Bento "groupe principal"
14:18 Mo0O c'est un blog
14:18 melodie Bento > paquets dont:
14:18 melodie core
14:18 melodie standard
14:18 melodie (= meta paquets)
14:18 * Mo0O se rend compte qu'il a inversé les url au début -_-
14:18 Mo0O my bad
14:18 Mo0O bref
14:18 melodie applications par défaut
14:18 melodie graphisme
14:18 melodie et projet annexe : UI
14:18 melodie ?
14:19 Mo0O tu veux heberger les sources de tout ça ?
14:19 melodie sachant que pour l'instant, nous n'avons personne pour réfléchir sur une UI indépendante et la *développer*
14:19 melodie le plus gros de ces sources est ici:
14:19 melodie http://meets.free.fr/Downloads/BentoVillageProject/
14:20 Mo0O ok
14:21 melodie et pas specialement bien structuré et tout n'est pas à jour, donc oui, je veux indiquer à gsilva, ou bien même créer un nouveau répertoire là, où gsilva prendre progressivement les diverses parties pour les organiser sur github
14:21 Mo0O pour moi, http://bento-dev.github.io/ est un blog destiné au dev qui decrit les avancer des projects tel que l'UI
14:21 melodie arthefact omnidan et une ou deux autres personnes sont en train de fignoler la traduction vers l'allemand de quelques fichiers de la configuration openbox par défaut de Bento
14:22 melodie ah c'est un blog
14:22 melodie tu pourras expliquer ça à gsilva quand il aura fini ses backups et d'arranger son ordi ?
14:22 Mo0O tu as des binaires sur http://meets.free.fr/Downloads/BentoVillageProject/ ?
14:22 Mo0O oui
14:23 melodie il y a deux paquets mais je ne les fournirai pas pour github, à priori il n'y aura pas de binaire
14:23 melodie pourquoi cela ?
14:23 Mo0O github n'heberge (normalement) pas de bianire
14:23 Mo0O binaire*
14:23 melodie Mo0O très bien, il n'y a pas besoin d'en héberger
14:24 Mo0O cool
14:24 melodie pour faire des paquets j'utiliserai Launchpad de toute manière, je vais agrandir le ppa
14:24 Mo0O clair, c'est bien mieux
14:24 Mo0O c'est fait pour
14:25 melodie gsilva m'a demandé si j'allais créer un projet Bento sur le Launchpad, je lui ai dit que j'y ai pensé, mais que ce n'était pas encore urgent.
14:25 melodie j'ai un espace, un premier ppa, une clé rsa, une nouvelle clé gpg, et je dois aller faire une bafouille sur ma page wiki (pas encore créée) pour me présenter. donc, ça peut attendre :D
14:26 Mo0O ;)
14:27 melodie as-tu vu le nouveau look de linuxvillage.org ? :)
14:27 melodie ah tél... je re
14:27 Mo0O oui, j'ai vu ça
14:27 Mo0O je vous ai vu en parler d'ailleur
14:27 melodie ok :)
14:28 Mo0O bon, du coup le text du readme que je viens de merger est à enlever
14:29 Mo0O je peu le prendre pour le mettre sur le blog de bento-dev
14:29 Mo0O sur la page du home
14:29 Mo0O je mix les 2
14:30 Mo0O j'ajoute la phrase http://irclog.perlgeek.de/linuxvillage/2014-06-04#i_8819453
14:30 Mo0O melodie: qu'en dis tu ?
14:43 Mo0O ?
14:48 Mo0O melodie, gsilva: updated http://bento-dev.github.io/ and https://github.com/bento-dev/bento-dev.github.io
14:52 Mo0O don't forget, http://bento-dev.github.io/ is a dev blog, https://github.com/bento-dev is the github group for bento devs, and https://github.com/bento-dev/bento-dev.github.io is the project with the sources for the dev blog, and is the first bento-dev team's project \o/ (on github)
14:54 Mo0O https://github.com/orgs/bento-dev/teams/bento-ubuntu-remix I don't think this group is mandatory, or I don't understand why it's for
14:58 melodie Mo0O if you added gsilva to the owners you might either remove the teams or leave it up to gsilva in case he wants to invite people to join for contributions
14:58 melodie you may want to see this part with him
14:58 Mo0O ok
14:58 melodie the first aim for me was to add him, but he had just registered at github and I could not add him right away, so I created this group, and this worked
14:59 Mo0O no worries
14:59 melodie I mean once created I was able to add him at least there
14:59 Mo0O I'll removed it later
14:59 Mo0O -the group-
14:59 melodie unless gsilva thinks he can have the use for it?
15:00 melodie as I say, a team could be helpful? (or not?)
15:00 Mo0O not I think
15:00 melodie I have a few things to do, I'll be back later
15:00 melodie Mo0O thanks for your work
15:00 Mo0O ok, see you melodie
15:00 melodie :)
15:00 Mo0O you're welcome :D
15:01 melodie :)
15:38 gsilva Hi
15:38 gsilva I'm back
15:38 gsilva Mo0O, melodie, the group isn't necessary, at least for now. Perhaps in the future we can divide the people involved into teams
15:38 gsilva but for now I don't think it's useful
15:38 gsilva other than that, melodie, I've punched and blow my PC and it stopped from making noise (+1)
15:39 gsilva (and not, it's not overheating anyway)
15:40 gsilva melodie, were you able to create the mailing lists? I had some requests from Steve - I'm not sure if he is Mo0O :o
15:58 melodie Steeve is Mo0O gsilva
15:58 gsilva alright, cool
15:59 gsilva Thank you for your tips above Mo0O, got the chance to understood a bit better of what github is (+1)
16:02 melodie gsilva Mo0O knows github quite well as I have seen before, however he is not always here even if logged in, so we we've been lucky to find him
16:03 melodie and no I have not yet openened a mailing list :)
16:03 melodie but I will don't worry
16:03 melodie for now I would like to find someone at #dokuwiki to solve this translate plugin issue, it is supposed to display a button somewhere and it doesn't
16:04 gsilva alrighty then, no worries. Just thought I could email you Steeve recommendation but since he's here, that's not needed :)
16:05 melodie right, however that would be good to have on the wiki
16:07 melodie Mo0O ?
16:07 melodie he might have gone back home
16:08 gsilva unfortunately, I can't help you with that :\
16:08 melodie gsilva have you seen how Mo0O has changed the page of the "blog" ?  http://bento-dev.github.io/
16:08 gsilva yes, I did
16:08 melodie gsilva what about your laptop, what is the stage of things now?
16:09 gsilva I've punched and blow my PC and it stopped from making noise (+1)
16:09 melodie o_O
16:09 gsilva weirdish, I know
16:09 melodie do you have the documentation of your laptop?
16:09 gsilva nope
16:09 gsilva I guess something was stuck on the fans
16:09 melodie ok then grab it from here:
16:10 melodie http://www.asus.com/Notebooks_Ultrabooks/K52JC/HelpDesk_Manual/  - http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/nb/K42/e5367_K42_52_72_Manual.zip
16:11 melodie next you may want to go to page 18 where you will see a drawing of the back of your lappy
16:11 melodie from there you should figure out where the screws are, and start removing them
16:11 gsilva I don't have time right now to dismantle my computer to try to clean it :s
16:12 gsilva I might do that in this summer though
16:12 melodie it might not take that much time?
16:13 melodie what if it fails you?
16:14 gsilva well, since I have two exams next week and I've wasted my only free day in other stuff today, I guess every minute counts
16:14 gsilva :)
16:14 gsilva It's working now and without an issue. This is a war machine well treated so no biggie for now
16:14 melodie :)
16:15 melodie as long as it works... good!
16:16 gsilva yes, that's my spirit :)
16:16 melodie gsilva have you downloaded your doc?
16:18 gsilva my doc?
16:29 melodie <melodie> http://www.asus.com/Notebooks_Ultrabooks/K52JC/HelpDesk_Manual/  - http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/nb/K42/e5367_K42_52_72_Manual.zip
16:29 melodie ô_ô
16:30 melodie <melodie> do you have the documentation of your laptop?
16:30 melodie <gsilva> nope
16:30 melodie <gsilva> I guess something was stuck on the fans
16:30 melodie <melodie> ok then grab it from here:
16:30 melodie (...)
16:33 gsilva I'll check it kater
16:33 gsilva later*
16:34 gsilva :)
16:46 melodie :)
17:14 melodie he he fun! http://www.freelists.org/post/huskerlug/Spam-from-Tig-Aga-Free-computers-for-Community-Centers,2
17:31 melodie gsilva
17:31 melodie "I have read and agree to the above terms , and agree that if I ask FreeLists for email addresses or send SPAM using their resources, they have permission to inflict severe pain on me with large, blunt objects. "
17:31 melodie LOL
17:31 gsilva lulz :P
17:31 melodie I think I like what they offer, see here: http://www.freelists.org/about.html
17:32 melodie what about the name? "bento-dev AT freelist.org" is ok for you?
17:33 gsilva seems cool melodie  (+1)
17:33 gsilva what does AT stand for?
17:33 melodie @
17:33 gsilva hum
17:33 gsilva I'm getting tired
17:33 gsilva lol xD
17:33 melodie the chan is logged so why bring in the spambots?
17:33 gsilva yes, seems fine :)
17:33 melodie ok!
17:33 melodie have you slept at all? :D
17:33 gsilva I know, I'm getting tired from replying to many questions for my corporate strategy course
17:34 melodie do you take this course on internet?
17:34 gsilva no, on college really
17:35 gsilva I'm finishing a master's degree actually
17:43 melodie done, " A member of the FreeLists staff will review your list request and notify you of their decision within 24 hours. "
17:43 melodie so is this before or after graduation? I would guess after?
17:44 gsilva Master is after graduation
17:44 gsilva yes
17:46 melodie :)
17:46 gsilva Can I ask how old are you, melodie ? :)
17:46 gsilva Just wondering :P
17:46 melodie I am paste the age that you can ask. :p
17:47 gsilva alrighty then :)
17:47 gsilva That gives me an idea :)
17:47 melodie it's not a good idea to base any idea on age, in my idea
17:47 melodie :D
17:49 melodie I have submitted a request for a list there, it will be an opened list, (the choice is not large) but if at some point we don't like the way it works, I'll think of something different, such as looking it if is possible to install  mailman to linuxvillage.org
17:49 melodie there is plenty space there.
17:49 melodie 10 GB for a forum, a small website and a wiki : fun! really lots of space.
17:51 gsilva I have an idea of your age, not your age :P That doesn't change any opinion that I have on people. Well, kind of, but only if you were a teenager which I suspect you're not.
17:51 gsilva Yes, that seems legit. We'll keep controlling it. If we don't fit we always will have launchpad which provides an option that I assume everyone is comfortable to work with
17:52 gsilva Anyway, I'm leaving now. I'll come back later. See you melodie o7
17:55 melodie good evening gsilva
18:44 arthefact re
18:44 arthefact yop melodie t'est là ?
18:44 arthefact ya un truc que j'ai du mal a saisir
18:45 arthefact quand je fais un copier
18:45 arthefact en console c'est quasi instantané alors qu'en graphique c'est hyper lent sais tu d'ou ça viens ?
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18:58 melodie arthefact je suis là
18:58 melodie je viens de finir de dîner
18:59 melodie tu as quel type de bureau, quel type de console, et dans quelle interface graphique est-ce lent ?
18:59 arthefact lxde et lxterminal
18:59 arthefact bash
19:00 melodie bash c'est le shell, vers quelle interface graphique les copiés sont-ils lents ?
19:01 arthefact bah dans la copie classique de lxde
19:01 melodie jeu neu comprends pas
19:01 arthefact ben en graphique
19:01 melodie c'est quoi la copie classique ? lxde est un gestionnaire de bureau
19:01 melodie dans leafpad ? dans autre chose ?
19:01 arthefact pcmafm gère le bureau
19:01 melodie donc tu copies quoi vers quoi ?
19:01 arthefact vers une clef usb neuve
19:02 melodie ah
19:02 arthefact de mon hdd
19:02 melodie ben ça c'est normal
19:02 melodie les interfaces graphiques sont des sur couches
19:02 arthefact ben en console ça met pas la moitié du temps
19:02 melodie je ne les utilise que pour copier des fichiers petits et légers et pas beaucoup sinon j'emploie la console
19:02 arthefact genre pour 500 Mo en console 5 minutes et encore
19:03 melodie hé hé oui.
19:03 arthefact alors qu'en graphique 20 minutes
19:03 arthefact je digère mal cette différence de temps
19:03 melodie et tu as les tty qui sont théoriquement encore plus rapides puisque là tu n'utilises pas X du tout (sauf si par ailleurs tu as plein de trucs lancés sous X dans le tty7 par exemple)
19:03 arthefact et ne la comprend pas
19:04 melodie peut-être captnfab ou pdurbin saurait expliquer mieux que moi
19:04 arthefact je reposerais la question a l'occasion
19:04 melodie pour ma part je sais que ce sont des couches de programmes en plus et ça me suffit comme explication
19:04 captnfab moo
19:05 melodie coucou captnfab :)
19:05 arthefact ha ben un captnfab
19:05 arthefact salut captnfab
19:05 captnfab coucou les gens
19:05 arthefact tu sais m'expliquer d'ou viens une tel différence de temps a la copie entre le graphique et la console ??
19:06 captnfab mhh, y'a une différence de temps ? dans quel sens ?
19:06 * captnfab n'utilise jamais d'explorateur de fichier, donc pas de copie graphique
19:06 arthefact en console 5 minuttes sur un fichier 500Mo et en graphique 20 minutes
19:07 arthefact en copiant sur une clef
19:07 arthefact usb
19:07 captnfab depuis la même clef branchée dans le même port ?
19:07 arthefact oui
19:08 captnfab en l'ayant débranchée entre les deux copies ?
19:08 arthefact sens hdd ==> usb
19:08 arthefact non
19:08 arthefact pas débranché
19:08 captnfab mhh
19:08 captnfab et en ayant commencé par la copie en graphique ?
19:09 arthefact non j'ai fait la copie en console d'abord
19:10 captnfab bah, alors je ne vois pas
19:10 arthefact ensuite un autre fichier de taille identique en graphique
19:10 captnfab ça me semble louche
19:10 arthefact moi aussi
19:10 arthefact mais bon
19:10 melodie captnfab j'ai toujours entendu dire que les couches graphiques ralentissaient les choses et ce que arthefact a constaté est quelque chose que j'ai constaté depuis longtemps alors je ne fais jamais de copies de gros fichiers en graphique
19:10 captnfab genre, je doute que ce soit la faute au graphique ou au console
19:11 melodie pourquoi douter ?
19:11 captnfab melodie: une copie 4 fois plus lente, tu te rends compte ? :)
19:11 melodie je n'ai pas fait de benchmark alors je n'ai pas d'avis là dessus
19:11 melodie mais je sais quelqu'un à qui arthefact pourrait poser la question
19:11 melodie LStranger sur #lxde, sur le serveur irc.oftc.net
19:12 arthefact je sais que mes disques durs sont vieillot mais a ce point
19:12 melodie c'est lui qui développe la version GTK2 de PCManFM
19:12 captnfab ben, je n'ai pas fait de benchmark, mais j'imagine ce que coder avec les pieds peut donner, et multiplier la lenteur par 4, ça me semble aberrant :)
19:12 captnfab surtout que la copie ne doit pas être faite par l'appli graphique, elle doit sous-traiter
19:12 melodie coder avec les pieds serait malhabile en effet
19:13 captnfab :)
19:13 captnfab oui, surtout pour un pingouin
19:13 melodie :p
19:13 melodie arthefact nous pourrons y aller ensemble prochainement sur ce chan si tu veux, j'ai des bugs à lui rapporter
19:13 * arthefact vois le pingouin tenter de viser une touche sur son claier avec les palmes
19:13 arthefact clavier*
19:14 arthefact oftc non merci melodie
19:14 melodie pour l'instant je tente de rester focalisée sur un problème de wiki et de bouton pour les langues à faire apparaître, j'attends une réponse de qq sur le chan #dokuwiki
19:14 arthefact vue l'acceuil que j'y avais eut il y as un ans j'y remet plus les pieds
19:14 melodie oftc n'est qu'un serveur
19:14 captnfab tout dépend du chan
19:14 melodie il y a de nombreux canaux sur oftc
19:14 melodie captnfab +1
19:15 arthefact je vais y réffléchir
19:15 arthefact bon je viens d'avoir mon service client au tel
19:15 captnfab y'a tous les chans debian sur oftc, et ils ne sont pas *toujours* gentils avec les débutants
19:16 melodie je n'ai jamais eu de problème sur le canal #lxde, ni sur #kernel-newbies ni sur #openbox ou encore sur #feh
19:16 arthefact il y as une panne sur le réseau je risque fort de jouer au yoyo ces prochaines heures
19:16 melodie aïe
19:16 captnfab arthefact: ah, toi aussi ils t'ont dit que ta freebox avait des fonctionnalité à « agronomie d'énergie »
19:16 captnfab ?
19:16 melodie désactives ton bouncer ?
19:16 arthefact je suis chez numéricable
19:16 melodie c'est quoi "agronomie d'énergie" ? o_o
19:16 captnfab melodie: sans doute une feature que seuls les techniciens de l'assistance Free savent te vendre :D
19:17 melodie XD
19:17 arthefact agronomie d'énergie quézako
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19:17 melodie tu as eu affaire à la hotline du tiers monde ? :D
19:17 captnfab « t'inquiète, ça consomme pas trop la freebox, elle fait de l'agronomie d'énergie »
19:17 arthefact un truc qui fait qu'elle tournes moins bien ??
19:17 captnfab c'est l'assistance par chat, donc je ne sais pas
19:17 captnfab mais bon…
19:17 arthefact hahahahhh
19:17 melodie captnfab si elle est gaulée comme la NeufBox il y a dans les 28 Mo de ram deddans
19:18 melodie dedans
19:18 arthefact il me semble qu'elle en as 256Mo la freebox des ram
19:18 melodie il te semble ?
19:18 melodie tu as déjà visité le fs de la freebox ?
19:18 arthefact je suis pas sur j'en ais plus sous la main
19:19 arthefact mais oui c'est du bsd qui tournes dessus
19:19 arthefact en tout cas sur la FBrévolution
19:20 melodie ah ok
19:22 arthefact ils ont tous linux dessus sur leur box faut pas rêver
19:22 melodie oui j'ai vu ça dans la neufbox
19:23 arthefact en embarqué ya pas mieux
19:23 melodie mini_fo - http://www.neufbox4.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2778
19:23 arthefact enfin ya pas mieux tout court
19:28 arthefact @+ et bonne soirée
19:28 melodie bonne soirée arthefact
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23:31 deviltux bonsoir
23:31 gsilva hi deviltux
23:32 deviltux ya du monde aux alentours j'ai un souci de carte wifi broadcom qui refuse de démmaré
23:32 deviltux i hav probems whith broadcom wifi doesnt start
23:32 deviltux problems/trouble *
23:33 deviltux i folowed this tutorial http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/218
23:33 deviltux but no results
23:34 deviltux if i do modprobe -r b44 b43 b43legacy ssb brcm80211
23:34 deviltux i hav this answerth modprobe: FATAL: Module brcm80211 not found.
23:35 deviltux and i'm still waiting on modprobe wl
23:35 deviltux since one half houre
23:35 deviltux :)
23:36 deviltux realy amaysing
23:41 pdurbin melodie: "peut-être captnfab ou pdurbin saurait expliquer mieux que moi" :)
23:42 melodie hi pdurbin :)
23:43 melodie deviltux when he was arthfact said:
23:43 melodie I wonder why copying a large file to my usb stick takes 4 times the time that it takes when I copy it from within the console!
23:44 melodie pdurbin in my idea I have always thought it is the gui above the direct tools that slows it down - as I have also noticed the same thing.
23:44 melodie but it might be for some other reasons which I don't know.
23:44 pdurbin huh. me neither
23:44 melodie deviltux makes use of pcmanfm, and I also use this tool (he uses Lxde and I use full Openbox environment)
23:45 melodie deviltux you should try Bento in a live usb
23:45 melodie that could do the trick for you
23:45 melodie try to install it in persistant mode though, it is nicer
23:46 melodie deviltux Bento comes with the drivers :D
23:47 deviltux oh coo but isnt my laptop is those from a friend
23:47 deviltux cool*
23:47 melodie deviltux tu me redis ça en français ? je n'ai pas tout compris
23:48 deviltux c pas mon pc c'est celui d'un copain
23:48 melodie oui
23:48 melodie sous quelle distro ?
23:48 melodie Debian ?
23:48 deviltux et il as ses habitudes avec mint
23:49 melodie ah oui mint
23:49 deviltux ouai comme tu dis ah ouai mint
23:50 melodie il doit y avoir ça dans Bento: Paquet firmware-b43-installer
23:50 melodie hummm
23:51 melodie y a ça : b43-fwcutter 1:015-9
23:51 melodie et ça firmware-b43-installer 1:015-9
23:51 melodie il y a les deux
23:52 melodie que disent les commandes en terminal au sujet de la carte réseau ? (lspci | grep Ethernet par exemple)
23:52 melodie ah et le bouton du wifi est-il allumé ? (sur la machine physique)
23:53 melodie deviltux je dois y aller, bon courage et bonne nuit
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