Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #linuxvillage, 2014-07-03

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09:19 Mrsfit joined #linuxvillage
11:46 melodie joined #linuxvillage
11:46 melodie bonjour
12:34 pdurbin o/
12:35 melodie hi pdurbin :)
12:48 pdurbin melodie: what's new?
12:48 melodie pdurbin plenty new
12:49 melodie a wiki almost ready, now isos, and new development projects around Bento
12:49 melodie I'll soon build the little brother for Bento : Sushi
12:49 melodie lighter and very small, minimalistic
12:49 pdurbin you're making me hungry
12:50 melodie lol
12:50 pdurbin can I `git clone` the wiki?
12:51 melodie pdurbin when it will be ready and filled yes
12:51 melodie this is not now though
12:51 pdurbin NICE
12:51 melodie the license will be free open source, so if you have the technic to git clone it you are welcome to do so
12:51 pdurbin I'm glad it will be an option
12:52 melodie I don't know how to make it available as a technical option
12:52 melodie if you do, or want to write a plugin, feel free
12:54 pdurbin "Everyone should own and control their data. So when you make a web site on Branchable, we don't lock you in. You can use git to download the entire source code of your web site at any time, and move it elsewhere if you desire." -- https://www.branchable.com (under "freedom")
12:54 pdurbin I really like that.
12:54 melodie :)
12:55 pdurbin the same is true of wikis on GitHub
12:55 pdurbin "liberating" your data is only a `git clone` away
12:55 melodie I like a wiki to be "end user friendly", so if there is a plugin to make the wiki downloadable exportable and so, you can tell me about it, if not, you can write one
12:56 pdurbin um
12:56 melodie have a look here: https://www.dokuwiki.org/extensions
12:56 pdurbin I would just choose wiki software that is backed by git
12:56 melodie and here:
12:56 melodie https://www.dokuwiki.org/development
12:56 pdurbin in fact, I did already for my wiki: http://ikiwiki.info
12:56 pdurbin :)
12:57 melodie I choose a wiki software which is easy to use for all: the beginners who write a tutorial and the ones who will read them
12:57 pdurbin makes sense
12:57 pdurbin it's a free country
12:58 pdurbin ^H^H^Hworld
12:58 melodie pdurbin you are a developer, and as such you think as a developer: talk to computer new comers about compiling, they don't even know what you are talking about. talk to me about compiling, I get the idea (compiled my apps and a pair of kernels) but when it comes to compile a text, it's already a foreign idea for me
12:59 pdurbin melodie: oh! did I ever tell you about #openhatch?! I think you'd love it there!
12:59 melodie more a computer/system/program is easy to use for simple users, more it's complex for the developers to write it and make it work : but this is how the world is
13:00 melodie pdurbin I would probably love it, but I am almost over booked, and I won't get to over burn. :)
13:00 melodie (I have a phone call to do now, I want to know where and when the largest broad bands will be next in my area, I have a professional project to set up)
13:01 pdurbin melodie: well, at least please see the cute picture of my daughter linked from here: http://openhatch.org/blog/2014/openhatch-newsletter-april-2014/ :)
13:01 melodie I'll be back in a moment
13:02 melodie yes, you've shown it to me before. :) https://plus.google.com/+PhilipDurbin/posts/PbtgTWgqQry
13:02 melodie bb
13:03 melodie pdurbin also ask #dokuwiki if a plugin exist to export pages?
13:03 melodie or import...
13:04 melodie or git clone... :)
13:08 melodie pdurbin I am asking at #dokuwiki now. I pasted the link to our today's discussion there
13:10 pdurbin great
13:44 melodie pdurbin here is some flood, for you. :)
13:44 melodie <melodie> we are having a discussion at #linuxvillage about the possibilities to git clone a dokuwiki : http://irclog.perlgeek.de/linuxvillage/2014-07-03
13:44 melodie <melodie> what do you think? Is there a plugin allowing to do that?
13:44 melodie <gnrp> melodie: Look at the data folder
13:44 melodie <gnrp> directory*. Sorry, windows heritage.
13:44 melodie <gnrp> though I don't know how this might confuse the Dokuwiki caching. There somebody else has to answer
13:44 melodie <gnrp> when I "migrated" an ikiwiki to a dokuwiki once, I was also just working on the bare files
13:45 melodie <gnrp> maybe writing a git backend would be easier than having a git frontend
13:45 melodie * absolutejam (~absolutej@static-87-102-46-137.karoo.KCOM.COM) a rejoint #dokuwiki
13:45 melodie * absolutejam est parti (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
13:45 melodie * absolutejam (~absolutej@static-87-102-46-137.karoo.KCOM.COM) a rejoint #dokuwiki
13:45 melodie <melodie> hi gnrp
13:45 melodie <melodie> gnrp it's not about migrating, I think pdurbin wants to be able to git clone a wiki any time, to have a copy of the howto's and tutorials on git
13:45 melodie I have to go now, I'll be back later
13:46 captnfab han, le flood
13:47 captnfab btw, I think I prefer ikiwiki to dokuwiki
13:47 melodie captnfab you also think as a developer. ;) - in the link pdurbin provided it talks about compiling a page. I don't do such a thing in my current life :D
13:48 melodie btw, congrats captnfab !
13:48 captnfab oh? what for?
13:48 captnfab yeah, by prefering ikiwiki I *do* think as a dev :)
13:49 melodie http://ikiwiki.info/
13:49 melodie yes:
13:50 melodie "kiwiki is a wiki compiler. It converts wiki pages into HTML pages suitable for publishing on a website. "
13:50 captnfab melodie: dokuwiki is a wiki interpreter
13:50 captnfab so, if ikiwiki is rather like gcc, dokuwiki is more like python
13:51 captnfab dokuwiki uses a "cache" directory
13:51 melodie I like to write to a wiki as I do is a text document
13:51 captnfab to cache all the .html compiled from the wiki
13:51 melodie captnfab it can use whatever the devs want it to use, as long as it is super simple for me to use it, it's fine :D
13:51 captnfab melodie: well, that's what I do with ikiwiki
13:52 captnfab ikiwiki uses markdown syntax
13:52 captnfab so, that's very natural
13:52 melodie I don't like to use syntax, I like using sentences
13:52 melodie :p
13:52 melodie I have tried markdown, in my local machine for todo lists
13:53 melodie this is not natural : for me!
13:53 captnfab a link in dokuwiki is [[url|text]]
13:53 captnfab a link in ikiwiki is [text](url)
13:53 melodie yes, but there are button editors :D
13:53 captnfab a header in dokuwiki is ====== header ======
13:53 captnfab a header in ikiwiki is # header
13:54 melodie there are tools : I don't have to writhe ===== header =====
13:54 captnfab so there are people actually using these buttonsĀ ?
13:54 captnfab I thought they were here for decoration only
13:54 melodie I write header and make it a header1 with the button from the menu
13:54 captnfab hahaha
13:54 captnfab ok, I see
13:54 melodie even worse, I used to use fck something. editor
13:55 melodie as an extension and used it rather than the native one
13:55 melodie but could switch between the two if necessary
13:55 melodie header1/title1 I meant
13:56 captnfab yeah, well, that's why you shouldn't use button an'all
13:56 captnfab plain text is better :)
13:56 melodie if you have a menu for formatting in ikiwiki
13:56 captnfab more portable
13:56 captnfab dunno if there is such a plugin
13:56 melodie plain text does not have any shape
13:56 captnfab don't need to, preview has all the shapes
13:57 captnfab don't need the shapes to edit
13:57 melodie dunno either, but I happen to know a little how to use dokuwiki and for the time being I'll stick to it, if you don't mind too much :D
13:57 captnfab haha
13:57 captnfab We use dokuwiki too for Debian-Facile
13:57 melodie good. :)
13:57 captnfab and with all the extensions, migration to ikiwiki would become harder and harder
13:58 melodie so do you think there is a tool that we could use, so to allow pdurbin to git clone the linuxvillage dokuwiki when it will be ready and full of howto'es?
13:58 captnfab however, using dokuwiki with a git backend is a pain
13:58 melodie aha
13:58 melodie ok
13:58 captnfab I tried a plugin to do that, but it would'n work
13:58 captnfab so no
13:58 captnfab and that's why I prefer ikiwiki :)
13:59 captnfab git is a root feature
13:59 melodie I don't understand how to use git anyway, so maybe would you want to give me a crash course in French. Mostly about how to organise things the best way
14:00 melodie not now, nor these days, let's say, at some point in the future.
14:00 melodie and maybe gsilva would want one too, but in English
14:00 captnfab :D
14:00 melodie because we are there:
14:00 melodie https://github.com/Bento-dev
14:00 captnfab good thing with ikiwiki is that you don't need to use git, it uses git for you
14:01 melodie and things don't move very fast
14:01 captnfab and if you want, you can use git, but you don't have to
14:01 captnfab +directly
14:01 captnfab I see
14:01 captnfab that's a nice, clear and concise page
14:01 captnfab :P
14:01 melodie sigh/ dokuwiki for linuxvillage is meant to be read by people from zero day computing/gnuLinux use, and more, not the other way round
14:02 melodie yes, clear and quite empty though I wrote some specs that are waiting to be ported there (in French and in English)
14:02 melodie never mind, now I have to go out
14:02 melodie see you soon!
14:02 captnfab melodie: as I said, git is an internal piece, no need for the users to deal with it
14:03 captnfab bye melodie, see you :)
14:07 melodie :)
15:11 pdurbin captnfab: right. a root feature. core feature
15:21 captnfab hi pdurbin o/
16:16 pdurbin captnfab: o/
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