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IRC log for #linuxvillage, 2015-03-14

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00:03 prologic hi
00:10 pdurbin prologic: I'm tellin' ya, incompatible time zones: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/crimsonfu/2015-03-13#i_10271066 :)
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00:21 prologic lol
00:30 pdurbin prologic: are you a forum guy? I have an account on http://forum.linuxvillage.org but I never use it.
00:31 pdurbin I guess I have posted a few times, but not lately: http://forum.linuxvillage.org/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=214
00:34 prologic nah not really a forum guy at all
00:35 pdurbin not even "next-gen" forum software? https://meta.discourse.org :)
00:48 prologic nope
00:48 prologic it's not the software
00:48 prologic it's the mental shift
00:48 prologic forums require active participation
00:48 prologic I have to go look, scroll through threads
00:48 prologic search
00:48 prologic etc
00:48 prologic it's painful
00:49 pdurbin yeah
00:50 pdurbin so Discourse is just lipstick on a pig?
00:50 pdurbin prologic: or have you not tried it?
00:50 prologic pretty much :)
00:50 prologic a forum is a forum is a forum
00:50 prologic requires active attention
00:51 prologic I don't have the time nor energy to participate in "active" things
00:51 prologic I have tried it :)
00:51 prologic it's just like any other forum :)
00:52 pdurbin :)
00:52 pdurbin but!
00:52 prologic if it delivered emails like say mailman does
00:52 pdurbin chat is so... ephemeral
00:52 prologic I'd probably just ignore the fact it's a forum
00:52 prologic but I'm subscribed to the Docker Discourse in fact
00:52 pdurbin What if I want to write up a question and give people time to think and answer?
00:53 prologic and well it's just utterly useless the mails I get
00:53 prologic I have to date not yet posted not resooned to any Docker discourse
00:53 prologic only the mailing list(s)
00:53 prologic I find stackexchnage a beter platform for this
00:53 prologic it's very passive ihmo
00:53 prologic post a question
00:53 prologic and let the community posts anwers back
00:53 prologic even comments
00:53 prologic and vote up/down, etc
00:53 prologic it's very nice
00:55 pdurbin yeah
00:55 pdurbin but stack exchange is not open source
00:55 prologic there are open source variants of the platform
00:55 prologic that are ihmo just as good
00:56 pdurbin yeah
00:56 pdurbin but you could use Discourse for Q&A
00:56 pdurbin inside a company or whatever
00:56 pdurbin it'd probably be good enough
00:56 pdurbin even if it isn't the stack overflow engine
00:57 pdurbin and probably better than the stack overflow clones
00:57 prologic possibly
00:59 pdurbin I'm thinking about suggesting something like this at work. So we can help each other out with questions. Rather than sending emails. Or having the formality of a trouble ticket.
01:00 prologic I'd use one of those stackexchange oss clones :)
01:01 pdurbin hmm. ok
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15:23 melodie salut
16:27 pdurbin melodie: 'lut. prologic and I had a nice chat in here earlier: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/linuxvillage/2015-03-14 :)
16:30 melodie hello pdurbin
16:34 melodie pdurbin that was midnight to 1 am here. I was around but doing other things
16:35 melodie I don't see any kind of forum or any kind of communication which allows perfect "find again" right awya
16:35 melodie away
16:35 melodie that makes me think, I have a plugin which does not work anymore after the update of the forum, I have to ask help as smf
16:36 melodie this is the plugin which allows you to have the last messages in 24 48 and 72 hours, with one click
16:42 pdurbin yeah, there is no perfect communication medium
16:42 pdurbin different strokes for different folks
16:43 pdurbin melodie: I'm glad linuxvillage has both a forum and a place for chat :)
16:43 melodie anything missing? We also have a mailing list for bento-dev
16:44 melodie we might enjoy having contributors btw :)
16:44 melodie http://www.bentovillage.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo
16:45 melodie shorter: http://bentovillage.org/mailman/listinfo
16:51 pdurbin prologic: you should ask melodie about her linux distro sometime
16:51 melodie hi prologic
16:52 pdurbin melodie: I think it's the middle of the night in Australia
16:53 melodie pdurbin a few weeks ago Wordpress has provided a new service through their giant meta-plugin Jetpack : the possibility to manage all plugins updates through a unique board, for any wordpress website you administrate, even if spread on several different hostings.
16:53 melodie I a currently testing this feature which I had not found the time to try so far
16:53 melodie that could gain me lots of time
16:53 melodie and I hope they will continue improving it
16:54 pdurbin sounds useful
16:55 pdurbin I'm still mostly using static sites. ikiwiki and jekyll.
16:59 melodie I don't have the need for static sites, and I don't have time to learn coding either as I discovered many times
17:01 pdurbin I like static sites because they are secure. I don't have to worry about patching software with vulnerabilities.
17:01 melodie well well, you are a developer, you don't need much for personal communication, it seems your G+ suits you well
17:03 pdurbin I do use G+ a lot. More than most, I'm sure! But I heard it's changing or being renamed into "streams" or something. It hasn't been successful.
17:03 melodie I haven't heard about it
17:04 pdurbin I doubt very many people even care. :)
17:05 melodie I just stumbled upon this page, I find it fun : http://randsinrepose.com/archives/the-nerd-handbook/
17:10 pdurbin cute
17:19 melodie :)
17:28 melodie out for a moment
20:38 melodie back!
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21:36 melodie salut alphad
21:37 melodie pdurbin do you work on a new project now, or always the same?
21:47 alphad salut melodie
21:47 melodie comment ça va ? que fais-tu de beau ?
21:50 pdurbin melodie: this is a new one: https://github.com/IQSS/plaid
21:51 alphad rien de vraiment beau, juste quelques mises à jour et lectre de mails
21:51 melodie tu connais antiX alphad ?
21:51 melodie pdurbin I look
21:52 alphad oui, grace à mepis
21:53 melodie j'ai installé la dernière antiX Mépix MX 14.3 sur deux machines un peu poussives et ça roule nickel, super speed et tout. Est-ce que tu te souviens que je t'avais parlé de Malinux, la distribution Xubuntu modifiée pour le Mali ?
21:53 melodie je te pose la question parce que l'idée suivante serait d'appliquer la recette Malinux à une antiX :
21:54 alphad non je me souvient pas
21:54 melodie sachant que antiX est livrée avec un script permettant de remixer facilement depuis une installation
21:54 alphad malinux?
21:54 melodie ah ?
21:54 melodie oui, ils vont une fois par an au Mali pour fournir des PC de réforme (mais fort bons), pré installés avec Malinux (Xubuntu modifiée)
21:55 melodie donc la distro est dispo en ligne, je peux te re passer le lien
21:55 alphad j'ai utilisé un temps mepis, surtout aved kde 3.5
21:55 melodie http://phillw.net/isos/bento-ubuntu-remix/Malinux/
21:55 alphad antix généralement c'était pour des dépanages sur livecd
21:55 alphad merci du lien je jette un oeil
21:56 alphad meme les deux :)
21:56 melodie si on trouve le temps, on mettra la recette spécial Malinux dans antiX pour pouvoir avoir une distro encore plus légère qui aille bien sur des machines avec 1 Go de ram au lieu de 2
21:57 melodie alphad tiens voilà pour la MX 14.3
21:57 melodie http://sourceforge.net/projects/antix-linux/files/Final/MX-14.3/
21:57 alphad 2 giga c'est lourd
21:57 melodie oui il y a beaucoup de programmes et des docs aussi
21:57 melodie alors antix MX 14.3 c'est avec Xfce4, et c'est super super rapide
21:58 melodie les versions de kernel et de drivers doivent aider aussi, parce que ça fait tourner un vieux fujitsu avec un proc Celeron comme si la machine était neuve. Plus le thème est sympa
21:59 melodie j'ai trouvé que avec le chipset Sis les fontes étaient pourries mais j'ai changé le set de paquet pour les fontes, plus un ou deux fichiers de config, et ça roule (j'ai l'info sur le forum dispo pour les noms et les dépôts des paquets)
22:05 melodie pdurbin do you know what seems missing actually? See all the apps the people develop for smartphones? Android especially, and F-Droid, the opensource repos for android apps?
22:06 melodie what is missing is a place where we can clearly see what apps request to access what types of data in your smartphone, and the votes of the users for all the open source apps
22:09 pdurbin melodie: oh, that reminds me, I started working on an Android app too: https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse-android
22:09 pdurbin but just for fun, really. just to learn
22:10 pdurbin melodie: yes, F-Droid is great for discovering open source apps
22:11 melodie to learn creating apps for android?
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22:12 pdurbin yeah
22:12 melodie pdurbin yes F-Droid is nice, but their website does not have a very deep organisation allowing to find out which ones are really the most respectful for privacy
22:13 pdurbin I mean, with my kids I use http://appinventor.mit.edu to make Android apps. But I'm learning how to make apps the normal way.
22:13 pdurbin melodie: well, I always look at the permissions requested before I install an app. Easy enough.
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22:18 melodie pdurbin so do I, however it would be better if prior it was possible to visit a page with a summary.
22:19 melodie installing an app still means downloading it along with the related information. that's time greedy
22:19 melodie I must say I just got started with smartphone, I bought one at the end of the year
22:20 melodie it already took me quite some time to decide which one, at which cost for which features
22:20 melodie :p
22:23 alphad déconexion il pleut ici et j'ai perdu le signal adsl
22:25 melodie re alphad bienvenue de retour !
22:25 melodie pdurbin I'm reading here now: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vALFEWsaNS5iJSTh-cM2ZuncYxsP85zU0zHA1m0G1cY/edit#
22:25 melodie two questions
22:25 melodie What is IQSS?
22:26 melodie You mentioned Mysql, what about MariaDB? Of no use?
22:26 melodie bonsoir pti-jean_
22:26 ker2x joined #linuxvillage
22:26 ker2x hellooo =^_^=
22:27 melodie alphad tu avais eu les dernières phrases avant d'être déconnecté ?
22:27 melodie hi ker2x welcome!
22:27 ker2x melodie: coucou
22:27 melodie pdurbin ker2x is a sysadmin in South France
22:27 melodie ker2x pdurbin is a dev at Harvard, from Boston
22:27 melodie alphad is from Africa
22:28 melodie :)
22:28 pdurbin hello ker2x and alphad
22:28 alphad voilà les dernieres: <melodie> oui il y a beaucoup de programmes
22:28 ker2x hi pdurbin dev at harvard boston, hi alphad from africa :)
22:28 melodie alphad si tu veux rattraper tu as les logs, le lien est toujours dans le topic
22:28 alphad hello pdurbin
22:28 alphad ok
22:29 pdurbin ker2x: you might like #crimsonfu - sysadmins who code - http://crimsonfu.github.io
22:29 pdurbin alphad: what do you do?
22:31 melodie ker2x sympa de nous rendre visite
22:31 ker2x j'allai lancer world of warships puis j'ai vu ton mail :)
22:31 melodie :)
22:32 alphad pdurbin, just updating my system and learning news
22:32 melodie j'ai mon fils qui aime beaucoup World of Tanks, je ne sais pas s'il joue aussi à Warships
22:32 ker2x peu probable, il est en closed beta
22:32 melodie alphad do you still take care of your LUG?
22:32 melodie ker2x ok
22:33 alphad LUG?
22:33 ker2x linux user group
22:33 melodie Linux User Group, GUL en français
22:33 melodie thanks ker2x
22:33 ker2x i was vice president of culte.org :)
22:34 melodie ker2x one topic that pdurbin takes care of you might be interested in, is his job around dataverse
22:34 melodie no???
22:34 melodie I am a recent member in culte.org, just got my card a few weeks ago. :D
22:34 ker2x :D
22:34 ker2x i'm not member anymore :)
22:35 ker2x you probably met jdd, i guess he's still the president
22:35 melodie I registered after they posted at toulibre about their recent admission to passing the LPIC exams
22:35 melodie oui, et j'ai participé à une réunion et ré election
22:35 melodie j'y vais chaque deux semaines pour les cours du LPI
22:35 alphad tiens je découvre
22:36 alphad en olus centre agrée LPi
22:36 melodie en olus ? que veux-tu dire ? :)
22:36 alphad plus
22:36 melodie ok
22:37 melodie ker2x I am not a big specialist of things such as this, just pdurbin talked a lot about it: https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse
22:37 ker2x reading
22:38 ker2x solr \o/
22:38 ker2x sending it to a friend asap
22:38 melodie is that good for big data things? :)
22:39 ker2x done
22:39 alphad pas mal
22:39 ker2x for bigdata ? mmm, nope
22:39 melodie ok
22:39 ker2x well, yes and no
22:39 melodie anyway, if it can be helpful to other people I'm sure pdurbin will be very pleased: pdurbin right? :D
22:39 ker2x real bigdata : no
22:40 melodie ok
22:40 ker2x what everybody call "bigdata" : yes :)
22:40 melodie ok
22:40 ker2x better than elasticsearch anyway
22:40 ker2x i tried it for bigdata
22:40 melodie I am curious, so when I see words which look like they have a special meaning I check the web and wikipedia to get at least an idea about it
22:41 melodie ok
22:41 ker2x it sucked :)
22:41 melodie pdurbin where are the information you once told me about, related to faceted search?
22:41 ker2x and the only support i could get is "add more ram"
22:41 pdurbin I've been pretty happy with Solr.
22:42 ker2x overblog (one of my previous job) use solr
22:42 ker2x heavily :)
22:42 pdurbin melodie: well, you can see facets on the left at https://apitest.dataverse.org
22:43 melodie ker2x about Culte, jdd isn't president, it is the man who gives the courses around the LPI
22:43 pdurbin facets are a way to narrow your search results
22:43 ker2x he's not president anymore ?
22:43 melodie Frédéric Zulian is
22:43 ker2x ho ^^
22:44 melodie he is still around and often there
22:45 melodie so ker2x what do you think about Bento? You want to test further?
22:45 melodie what is your usual distro btw?
22:45 ker2x yes, i will test it again :)
22:45 ker2x hum i was mostly slackware :p
22:46 ker2x now i use debian for server and  ubuntu for desktop
22:46 melodie I'll have to take myself by the hand and do a "Sushi Trusty"
22:46 melodie ok
22:47 melodie did you use Slackware a long time, making your packages or your Slackbuilds and so?
22:47 ker2x i didn't use package at all
22:48 ker2x i used it for 5y or something
22:48 melodie you compiled all your apps then?
22:48 ker2x yes
22:48 melodie ...
22:48 melodie slacktoo, gentware... :p
22:48 ker2x on an awsome 486 DX2 66 :)
22:48 prologic hi melodie
22:48 prologic heh
22:48 prologic our timezones suck :)
22:48 melodie hello prologic
22:48 melodie prologic it's ok, we can manage
22:49 prologic hah
22:49 ker2x hey prologic, i know you from somewhere :D
22:49 ker2x hummmm, trying to remember
22:49 melodie I tried Tomsrbt on a 486 DX2
22:49 melodie it's a floppy distribution
22:50 prologic ahh yeah
22:50 prologic hi ker2x
22:50 melodie I was just having fun with oldies
22:50 pdurbin prologic: mornin'
22:50 prologic morning pdurbin
22:50 ker2x prologic: do you have a github ?
22:50 melodie prologic are you in Australia?
22:50 prologic yup
22:50 prologic and uup
22:50 prologic yup*
22:50 melodie :D
22:51 pdurbin prologic is doing most of the commits for his new Linux distro: https://github.com/vallinux/base/commits/master
22:52 melodie thinking about Australia, the guy who devs Ubuntu Gnome is from there. I have done a promise several months ago and didn't take care about it yet. (didn't say when either). I have to install and see what's wrong with the panel when switching to gnome/openbox session.
22:52 ker2x haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
22:52 ker2x MIO \o/
22:53 prologic heh
22:53 prologic Ubuntu is horribly broken for me :)
22:53 melodie prologic what does the package manager look like in vallinux? text mode? graphic? what use is it going to be dedicated to?
22:53 ker2x i played with mio :)
22:53 prologic I'm visually impaired and require the use of Compiz Fusion's ezoom and well Ubuntu is just broken in every regard there
22:53 prologic melodie, text mode / cli
22:54 melodie prologic I can't say it's wrong, just Ubuntu is the best fit for simple users and I help them get started with Ubuntu this way.
22:54 prologic melodie, we're really targeting more experienced users I guess but with simplicity in our architecture and tools
22:54 prologic ker2x, oh :) haha
22:54 melodie however I pick up only LTS for them so far
22:54 prologic nice
22:54 prologic melodie, yes if you're a normal user, Ubuntu is great :)
22:55 melodie I am an Archlinux user
22:55 prologic I'm a CRUX user:)
22:55 ker2x prologic: i contributed to https://github.com/macournoyer/min :)
22:55 melodie I can't tell the people around to use Archlinux. They would not understand
22:55 pdurbin melodie: did you know that Archlinux came from CRUX? I didn't.
22:55 melodie pdurbin I don't think so
22:56 melodie I think it has been done from scratch but with some references in mind
22:56 prologic ker2x, oh wow that's really cool I never came across Min
22:56 prologic thanks :)
22:56 prologic I'll take a real close look!
22:56 prologic seems very similar to my mio?
22:56 ker2x well, min is a complete mess :)
22:57 prologic yes well even so
22:57 prologic I might be able to borrow some working ideas :)
22:57 melodie prologic do you know the mailing list Freedom0 ?
22:57 ker2x it's not built to be homoiconic
22:57 prologic my mio impl. has broken stack management :/
22:57 prologic melodie, no
22:57 prologic ker2x, ahh that's wehre mio is deesigned to be
22:58 prologic completely homioiconic
22:58 ker2x yes :)
22:59 melodie prologic http://sympa.liberte0.org/sympa/info/tech
22:59 melodie devs who are visually impaired
22:59 prologic ahh
22:59 prologic cool thanks :)
23:00 pdurbin melodie: "they learned enough about CRUX's internals to build what Arch is today" --prologic at http://irclog.perlgeek.de/crimsonfu/2015-03-08#i_10244559
23:02 prologic yeah :)
23:02 prologic we watched it happen haha
23:02 melodie prologic and pdurbin you are right: https://wiki.archlinux.fr/Arch_vs_autres_distributions#Arch_et_Crux
23:02 prologic I guess it's directly inspired :)
23:03 prologic I know i'm right :)
23:03 prologic I saw it happen :P
23:03 prologic haha
23:03 melodie :D
23:03 melodie ok
23:03 pdurbin yeah, sounds like prologic was there in the #crux channel
23:05 ker2x and wtf is crux ? :)
23:05 melodie https://crux.nu/
23:06 ker2x thx
23:06 melodie prologic the man who has created the freedom0 mailing list has an occupation around foss and hardware for impaired, and a specific website, here: http://accelibreinfo.eu/?en/
23:07 prologic ahh very nice
23:07 melodie he also translates the LFS books from English to French, almost by himself
23:07 prologic wow
23:08 melodie lately I wanted to contact him because I discovered a foundation who looks for projects for impaired people ease to live in the city and I could not get in touch. I sent a mail but I haven't got an answer
23:08 melodie tried to query him on IRC, same.
23:09 ker2x https://github.com/ker2x/zymology is looking for nerds :)
23:11 melodie ker2x is that supposed to be or to become an OS?
23:11 ker2x become, in a faaar futur :)
23:12 ker2x still working on the bootloader and FS :)
23:12 melodie ok I get it
23:12 ker2x so the kernel doesn't exist yet
23:13 melodie my best ability is in testing and somehow, sometimes transcript from cryptic nerd/experts talks to end user talk.
23:13 melodie meaning I would not apply to help there :D
23:13 ker2x :)
23:14 melodie I will wish you all a good day/evening/night, pick your tz, and see you soon.
23:15 melodie :)
23:15 melodie nice talks, we'll have to do it again
23:15 ker2x *yaw* i'm going to sleep
23:15 melodie same here. :)
23:16 ker2x i'll be back :)
23:16 ker2x see you later everyone
23:16 ker2x *hugs*
23:16 ker2x i was going to star mio but it's already  starred :)
23:17 ker2x bye !
23:21 prologic yeah well I personally would like to see the original compuz fusion improved and funded
23:21 prologic before Cannonical took it over and broke it

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