Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #linuxvillage, 2016-04-27

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20:17 melodie hello!
20:17 melodie pdurbin are you around?
20:17 melodie Reventlov salut, es-tu connecté ?
20:17 amj salut
20:18 melodie salut amj
20:18 melodie sais-tu lire le javascript dans le texte ?
20:20 amj hum
20:20 amj bof c'est pas trop mon truc
20:20 amj pourquoi ?
20:20 amj enfin donne toujours je verrai bien ^^
20:21 melodie pas grave, j'ai demandé sur #smf ils vont tout me dire
20:21 amj k
20:22 amj comment ça va sinon ?
20:25 pdurbin melodie: is it quick?
20:26 melodie pdurbin yes, it's done :D
20:26 melodie how are you?
20:27 pdurbin busy. happy :)
20:29 melodie good! :D
20:39 Reventlov oui
20:39 Reventlov :)
20:40 Reventlov ah, too late, my bad.
20:41 melodie eh salut
20:41 melodie Reventlov oui, j'ai eu l'info dont j'avais besoin sur le chan des forums smf
20:42 melodie un problème de plugin google analytics, qui devait être installé depuis pas mal de temps, ça a choqué quelqu'un qui était invité à s'inscrire, je l'ai viré
20:43 amj tu vire les gens qui aiment pas google ? :D
20:43 melodie amj l'inverse
20:43 melodie j'ai viré le plugin google analytics
20:44 melodie XD
20:44 melodie tu me fait poiler :D
20:44 melodie non mais je préfère les gens que les bots quand même XD
20:45 amj c'est juste que "je l'ai viré" pouvais laissé croire que t'avais viré le type et pas le plugin ;)
20:48 melodie oui je m'en suis rendue compte en te lisant et en relisant (deux fois) ce que j'avais écrit :D
20:50 melodie amj Reventlov pouvez-vous lire cette page dans Firefox ou bien reste-t-elle blanche comme chez moi ? http://www.sudouest.fr/2016/04/18/on-vous-rappelle-desole-une-campagne-contre-la-discrimination-a-l-embauche-2334347-4688.php
20:55 melodie bon bref, je suis allée râler sur le chan #firefox (sur irc.mozilla.org)
20:56 melodie parce que dans NetSurf ça passe très bien
21:04 melodie résolu, problème de adblock
21:10 bipul Hi everyone.
21:10 bipul I was following this tutorial https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
21:11 bipul But failed to built .deb here is the log http://paste.ubuntu.net/16088679/
21:30 melodie hi bipul
21:30 bipul hi melodie
21:30 bipul How are you?
21:31 melodie good thanks
21:31 melodie have you tried the "cowdancer" method? I believe pbuilder was the one used longer ago
21:31 melodie else, you could ask help to #ubuntu-devel
21:32 melodie wait
21:33 melodie bipul lines 75 and 76 why does the install of the depends abort? do you have enough space disk?
21:33 bipul yes
21:34 bipul melodie, http://sprunge.us/gGPP
21:39 melodie try the Debian way into Ubuntu
21:39 melodie https://pbuilder.alioth.debian.org/#cowdancer
21:41 bipul melodie, ok
21:41 bipul :)
21:42 melodie someone at #debian-mentors once pointed me to cowdancer
21:42 melodie I just don't remember where the page of the howto was
21:42 melodie you can ask them, you find them at irc.oftc.net
21:43 melodie once a package for Debian is done and working, you can just copy the whole directory and change very little things to do the same for an ubuntu package (the howto at ubuntu.com is there to help)
21:47 melodie bipul what are you trying to build?
21:48 bipul bc
21:48 bipul bc package.
21:49 bipul melodie, Let me tell you how i installed pbuild
21:49 bipul 1. sudo apt-get install pbuilder debootstrap devscripts
21:49 bipul 2.sudo pbuilder create
21:49 melodie wait
21:50 melodie why do you try to build bc ?
21:50 melodie there is already a package for it, right?
21:50 melodie did you also install build-essentials ?
21:51 bipul yes, it is already installed build-essentails. well i am learning how to build packages
21:51 melodie ok good
21:51 bipul so i used an example bc package
21:51 melodie ok
21:51 melodie nice
21:51 bipul But i am failed to compile
21:51 melodie that's the first step
21:51 bipul :(
21:52 melodie before you use pbuilder or cowdancer or whatever
21:52 melodie you need to compile by hand to check if everything is there and right
21:52 bipul ok
21:52 melodie such as ./configure && make
21:52 melodie when it' ./configure and make of course
21:53 melodie you need to check the website of the program and or the readme or any text file in the sources where you can find information about how to compile the sources
21:53 bipul ok
21:53 melodie if the ./configure ends without errors you can try "make"
21:54 melodie if there are errors, the errors tell you what depends might be missing
21:54 bipul ok
21:54 melodie this is where you can appreciate to get help from people at #ubuntu-devel or #debian-mentors
21:54 melodie they are the experts ^^
21:54 bipul ok :)
21:54 melodie (or, there are experts there... )
21:55 melodie (expert I am not, just a padawan such as yourself ^^)
21:55 bipul Yes, but i was thinking how this pbuild works.
21:55 melodie sure but you can't try running when you just learn how to walk
21:56 bipul yes that's true
21:57 melodie :)
21:57 bipul But i know how to compile from source package.
21:57 melodie but does the compile for bc work for you?
21:57 amj melodie: nan elle est pas blanche
21:57 bipul not at pbuilder
21:58 melodie amj oui, c'était adblock qui faisait des soucis
21:58 melodie bipul by hand?
21:58 melodie does that work when compiling manually?
21:58 bipul i did not try with hand
21:58 bipul wait let me try
21:59 melodie yes, please
22:02 melodie it's a common rule in any distro when packaging I hear, hand compiling first, if successful you go to the next step and use the tools.
22:06 bipul melodie, I pulled source via pull-lp-source bc xenial
22:06 bipul went inside cd bc-1.06.95
22:07 bipul found executable script ./configure , executed it
22:07 bipul then make
22:07 bipul found error while executing make
22:07 bipul following with make install too
22:09 melodie can you paste the output of your ./configure ? (you do ./configure and "make" as simple user: right?)
22:09 bipul yes
22:09 melodie btw you used pbuilder with sudo, I think you should not use sudo
22:10 bipul i did not add sudo or get into root, simple make
22:10 bipul no i did not used sudo
22:10 melodie I might be wrong though but you should try pbuilder without sudo
22:10 melodie your paste says otherwise
22:10 melodie http://paste.ubuntu.net/16088679/
22:10 melodie bipul@bipul:/var/cache/pbuilder$ sudo pbuilder build *.dsc
22:11 bipul melodie, well i have assigned sudo chmod -R $USER /var/cache/pbuilder
22:11 melodie you can work in your home directory
22:11 bipul oh let me try
22:11 melodie this is usually the way to go
22:11 melodie with user rights and no sudo
22:12 bipul I thought i have to put the source file inside /var/cache/pbuilder
22:12 melodie no you don't
22:12 bipul ok :) thank you are so sweet
22:12 melodie use your own home, name it "My_builds" for instance and work inside
22:12 bipul let me try
22:12 melodie :)
22:13 melodie you might want to give back whatever ownership was before you changed it, in /var/cache/pbuilder
22:13 melodie if you can recall what it was before you changed it
22:13 melodie and oh
22:14 melodie chmod -R $USER means nothing
22:14 bipul chmod -R $USER:$USER /var/cache/pbuilder
22:14 melodie chmod is to change rights and permissions (as in g for groups, o for owner... a for all)
22:14 melodie it means nothing, I don't know what it would do
22:15 bipul ok let me try
22:15 melodie chmod is to change mode
22:15 melodie no
22:15 melodie wait
22:15 melodie let me explain first?
22:15 bipul ok
22:15 melodie you want to change ownership the command for that is "chown" and not "chmod"
22:15 melodie chmod changes mode : try in the console : "man chmod" ?
22:15 melodie (without the quotes)
22:15 bipul You want me to explain?
22:16 melodie yes, try to
22:16 melodie I'm listening
22:16 melodie kind of... :)
22:16 bipul ok
22:17 bipul I was trying to assign the same permission what account i am using
22:20 melodie ok, now your turn, ok?
22:20 melodie the command "chmod" changes mode, not ownership
22:20 melodie if you do:
22:20 melodie chmod -R $USER:$USER /var/cache/pbuilder
22:21 melodie then you ask "chmod" to give *ownership* "user:user" to the /var/cache/pbuilder directory, which is wrong, because chmod does not give ownerships
22:21 melodie it gives rights and permissions which isn't the same thing
22:21 melodie ie : chmod 755 my_directory
22:21 melodie is correct
22:21 melodie or
22:21 melodie chmod a-x my_file
22:21 melodie (removes executable bit from my_file)
22:21 melodie let me try to find you a good how to
22:22 bipul ok
22:25 melodie this one for chmod seems quite good http://www.linux.org/threads/file-permissions-chmod.4094/
22:25 melodie looking for one for chown now
22:27 melodie while you read I seek (seeking for simple easily understandable howto)
22:29 melodie ok, got one: http://alvinalexander.com/linux-unix/linux-chown-command-chgrp-files-directories
22:31 bipul THanks
22:31 melodie you are welcome :)
22:32 melodie and don't compile in the system ever anymore : always in your home.
22:32 melodie ;)
22:32 bipul sure
22:32 melodie the / system is for the system nothing else
22:32 melodie except /var/www for web apps, when you install a web server but that's a different story
22:33 melodie and it can also be avoided if you configure your server to use another directory ^^
22:33 bipul ok
22:33 melodie bipul in the following days, let me know how your packaging goes?
22:34 melodie I'll be interested to follow your progress (you can come to the linuxvillage forum to talk about it if you don't see me here?)
22:34 bipul sure i will always up to date you
22:34 melodie thanks!
22:34 bipul I will melodie :)
22:34 melodie great! you'll see, there is a section in English
22:35 melodie bipul this is how to register, when not talking French: http://forum.linuxvillage.org/index.php/topic,27.0.html
22:35 bipul let me register it now
22:36 melodie ok
22:36 melodie :)
23:02 bipul melodie, How to fill captcha ?
23:02 melodie you move parts around to make a full image
23:02 melodie this is meant for people using any language
23:04 melodie bipul is it going ok?
23:04 bipul yes
23:04 melodie good!
23:05 bipul Now i am going to read ubuntu-packaging guide
23:05 bipul later
23:06 melodie you are approved now
23:06 melodie and you can post
23:06 melodie good night!
23:11 bipul Thank you
23:14 melodie welcome!
23:14 melodie leaving now
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