Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #marpa, 2014-03-03

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03:21 ronsavage jeffreykegler: There's a bug in your HTML gist. It sometimes includes links outside tables. See: https://gist.github.com/ronsavage/9317052
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03:52 jeffreykegler ronsavage: re http://irclog.perlgeek.de/​marpa/2014-03-03#i_8374048 -- thanks for catching this.  My first attempt was in fact a serious failure.  I've deleted that gist and added another, which I hope fixes things.
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17:16 jeffreykegler My latest blog post was in the Perl Weekly summary.  I often use Gabor's summary to measure how well I made my point.  The answer this time is "not very well".
17:16 jeffreykegler The Perl Weekly summary is here: http://perlweekly.com/archive/136.html
17:18 jeffreykegler Gabor's summary is correct, as far as it goes, but I was attempting to get people thinking in terms of what they could do with their own DSL.
17:27 jeffreykegler A few months (years) ago in a much-discussed and linked-to video talk, someone (who?) dressed up in 1970's programmer clothes and presented various 1970's vintage papers about new directions in technology ...
17:28 jeffreykegler new directions which have, for no good reason, disappeared from the radar.
17:29 jeffreykegler I'd like to put the link here, but have forgotten it, and the name of the presenter.
17:30 jeffreykegler Anyway, his point was that in the past 40 years, programmer's thinking has narrowed -- programmers today consider fewer options.
17:32 jeffreykegler If someone knows the link, please echo it here.  Thanks.
18:44 lucs jeffreykegler: This?: http://youtu.be/8pTEmbeENF4
18:51 jeffreykegler lucs: Yes!!!!  Thanks!
18:52 jeffreykegler The talk is Bret Victor's, "The
18:53 jeffreykegler ... Future of Programming", and he pretends he's a 1973 programmer, even dressing the part.
18:55 jeffreykegler ... Bret presents various 1970's, now forgotten, papers and if you listen carefully, you realize how much more open to new ideas the field was in those days.
18:56 jeffreykegler As I've said before, Marpa is out of the box thinking, but only by accident ...
18:57 jeffreykegler I've been thinking about it since the 1970's and in that time, the box shrank.
18:58 jeffreykegler So with my recent blog post, I try to present ideas of what you can do with more powerful parsing, but the modern audience is used to the possibilities for parsing being very narrow.
18:59 jeffreykegler So if I give no example, the readers will think I am dealing in airy and useless abstractions, ...
19:00 jeffreykegler but if I do give an example (like the SLIF) my post will be read as talking only about the SLIF.
19:01 jeffreykegler And if the expansion of parsing power that I present is the ability to transcend the requirement for both semicolons and significant whitespace ...
19:02 jeffreykegler my post will be read as one more contribution in the eternal Python vs. Perl debate.
19:03 lucs :)
19:05 jeffreykegler In the 1970's people dreamed of new languages ... not just rearranging the punctuation, and keywords, or moving the data typing back and forth between static and runtime.
19:06 jeffreykegler But languages that look as different from today's, as Perl does from Fortran.
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