Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #marpa, 2014-08-06

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01:47 Topic for #marpa is now IRC logs: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/marpa/today - Pastebin: http://scsys.co.uk:8002/marpa - Released code: https://metacpan.org/pod/Marpa::R2 - Source code: https://github.com/jeffreykegler/Marpa--R2 - Mailing list: https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en​&fromgroups#%21forum/marpa-parser - Web site: http://jeffreykegler.github.io/Marpa-web-site/
03:14 ronsavage Is there a non-dev version of PPI on MetaCPAN? The last one I see is V 1.215 of 2011-02-26.
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03:52 jeffreykegler https://metacpan.org/release/MITHALDU/PPI-1.217_01
03:53 jeffreykegler ronsavage: that's the link to 1.217_01 on MetaCPAN
03:53 jeffreykegler There seem to be two separate mysteries at work --
03:55 jeffreykegler First, some time ago MetaCPAN changed so that you access other versions via a tiny down array on the title line, just before the name of the distribution it's currently showing.  The array is actually quite handy, once you find it, but it fooled me for a while into thinking a lot of other versions had disappeared.
03:57 jeffreykegler Second, while CPAN finds 1.271_01 OK, MetaCPAN lists it as being only on backPAN.  The problem may be that the person making the distribution has changed from Adam Kennedy to Christian Walde, and that's freaking out MetaCPAN's security measures.
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05:12 rns https://metacpan.org/release/MITHALDU/PPI-1.217_01 seems to be a dev release,
05:13 rns little "next" icon to the left of Christian's name say "dev release, go to latest" on mouseover
05:13 rns and redirects to https://metacpan.org/release/PPI
05:36 jeffreykegler rns: it definitely 1.271_01 that they're requesting testing on.
05:36 jeffreykegler Apparently it's a release candidate, with a lot of changes.
05:39 jeffreykegler Both CPAN and MetaCPAN like to have author as major key, distribution as the minor key, so the changeover from Adam to Christian Walde has things thoroughly confused.
05:41 jeffreykegler When stuff like this happens, I remind myself that no other language community even attempts anything like CPAN, and that puts the problems in perspective.
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06:26 ronsavage Thanx. I learned (searching for -- your guessed it! Marpa -- about that tiny drop-down-hint down arrow. I saw the 1.271_01, but I normally never install dev versions.
06:28 ronsavage OK - I may make an exception for Marpa..... But since I would not normally use PPI for any other purpose, I guess it can't hurt. Note: Google for 'Famous Last Words'.
06:36 ronsavage OK. All tests (523) for my Marpa-based modules passed after installing PPI 1.217_01.
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07:20 rns Yes, I saw the 'Please test PPI-1.217_01...' announcement in blogs.perl.org RSS feed.
07:21 rns Perhaps a note in the comments on that announcement that Marpa::R2 was tested to work ok with PPI 1.217_01
07:22 rns on windows, cygwin and I think debian in Jean Damien's case is in order.
07:23 rns And CPAN is, remains and will be perl's killer app, yes.
08:51 ronsavage I've commented in blogs.perl.org about my tests.
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09:11 rns Good, I'll do so too.
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15:19 jeffreykegler ronsavage, rns: thanks!
19:59 jeffreykegler I'm thinking of buying a low-end laptop -- should I go ChromeOS or Windows?
20:03 Aria Um. Those are the only options?
20:12 jeffreykegler Linux, I guess, but there does not seem to be such a thing as a low-end preloaded Laptop.
20:13 jeffreykegler I tried buying one from Dell and that was a bad experience.
20:15 jeffreykegler And Apple, a few years ago, gave me the choice of upgrading or losing my email address.  I decided to take the pain at that polnt, and avoid putting myself in a similar position in the future.
20:21 Aria Yeah, not preloaded.
20:23 jeffreykegler Anything I buy is fated to run Linux someday, but that still leaves the choice of what OS initially.
20:28 Aria At this point, I consider either to be 'fine, whatever'. Windows might be less trouble to overwrite. Dunno. Secure Boot stinks hard.
20:28 Aria I'm all Apple hardware at this point but I'd not trust them for infrastructure in the slightest.
20:33 jeffreykegler Many of Marpa's power users are Windows users, and as the time zones spin around, perhaps they'll comment.
20:35 Aria I feel like hardware quality is cyclic. HP was on an upswing 3 years ago. Dell was going down. Dunno where things have landed since.
20:36 jeffreykegler AFK -- but I'll be backlogging.
22:31 ronsavage jeffreykegler: How often have you had trouble debugging because you could not run Windows? Never?
22:32 ronsavage If you bought a not-too-low end machine with Windows media (install CD) then you could wipe the hard disk, and install Debian, and run Windows in a VirtualBox. Google: Best of Both Worlds.

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