Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #marpa, 2015-01-14

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01:34 jeffreykegler I am partially withdrawing one of my old blog posts, the one titled, "What makes a parsing algorithm successful?"
01:34 jeffreykegler http://jeffreykegler.github.io/Ocean-of-Aware​ness-blog/individual/2014/11/successful.html
01:34 jeffreykegler I've taken it off blogs.perl.org and off of the annotated list.
01:36 jeffreykegler There were a few typos, which I was working on, but I realized that I simply tried to take on too much in a single post.
01:37 jeffreykegler For the moment, it's still on the "Ocean of Awareness" home site.
01:38 jeffreykegler I will probably turn it into one or two new blog posts, where I make more specific points (hopefully) more clearly.
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16:33 jeffreykegler Andrew is now on live.twit.tv
17:23 hobbs done, I think it went reasonably
17:23 hobbs sorry for confusion on the license, but I'm sure they'll edit it out for the published version :)
17:23 jeffreykegler brilliant job
17:24 jeffreykegler very, very, very good
17:24 hobbs thank you
17:24 jeffreykegler i am glad you agreed to do this
17:25 hobbs me too. I was nervous but apparently I didn't have to be.
17:26 jeffreykegler At some point I'll list nits I found in the edited version
17:27 hobbs okay. I'm sure I wasn't perfect, but I tried not to tell any big lies.
17:27 jeffreykegler Biggest mistake was re Jean-Damien, who actually did all the C, ECMAScript, SQL parsers
17:27 hobbs oops! My apologies to him.
17:27 jeffreykegler But we'll make sure to trumpet Jean-Damien's name to the skies to make up.
17:28 jeffreykegler And in the end it'll draw more attention to his work.
17:36 jeffreykegler hobbs: you did a lot better job at keeping the level of geekiness down than I would have.
17:37 jeffreykegler Some very nice answers to questions I might well have fumbled, or reacted to by over-explaining.
17:38 jeffreykegler When Randal talked about "major corporate funding", I wanted to say "Please!!!!"
17:39 hobbs haha
17:40 hobbs Randal did his research well, which helped me out a lot
17:41 jeffreykegler Yes, good job by Randal.
17:43 jeffreykegler It gave me a better idea of the presentation issues there are with telling folks about Marpa.
17:45 jeffreykegler hobbs: When does the edited version come out?
17:47 hobbs this afternoon
17:48 lucs Maybe Ron should link to it on the Marpa page.
17:48 jeffreykegler Definitely!
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21:13 jdurand_ Re http://irclog.perlgeek.de/​marpa/2015-01-14#i_9939119 - Damned, missed it. Andrew, will be available somewhere else e.g. youtube etc ?
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21:15 * jdurand_ wanted to say he is extremely busy these days, making me quite absent
21:17 jeffreykegler https://player.fm/series/floss-wee​kly-mp3-222/floss-weekly-321-marpa
21:18 jeffreykegler Here's the edited version of the FLOSS Weekly.  I haven't listened to this version yet myself.
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21:20 jdurand_ ok thx - listening to it -;
21:22 jeffreykegler jdurand: Andrew had a lot to keep track of, and unfortunately misattributed a lot of your work to Ron Savage ...
21:22 jeffreykegler That probably couldn't be edited out of the show in time for their schedule, ...
21:23 jdurand_ Ah... Hmmm..; Andrew, your punition will be to share a glass of beer with me -; !!!
21:23 jeffreykegler but anyway, rest assured, the Marpa community knows who did those parsers, they were put front and center like they deserved, ...
21:23 jeffreykegler and the credit will eventually come your way, if perhaps after making the rounds a bit first. :-)
21:25 jdurand_ no pb
21:25 jdurand_ Listening to the talk, I think I miss the opportunity to meet physically some of you OOTD -;
21:43 jdurand_ Ah...; coming back to perl6 grammar... yet another task to consume the remaining days left of every day lol -;
21:43 jdurand_ "remaining hours"
21:45 jdurand_ ok AFK see u
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22:22 hobbs http://twit.tv/show/floss-weekly/321
22:23 jeffreykegler One Marpa project for someone interested in contributing a new Marpa-powered module is the one Randal mentioned:
22:24 jeffreykegler A "safe" Perl undumper -- that is a parser that reverses Data::Dumper without resorting to the very dangerously hack-prone eval() or arbitrary Perl code.
22:24 jeffreykegler That is, you reverse Data::Dumper with a parse of only the Perl 5 subset it uses:
22:25 jeffreykegler Here's Randal's column on that: http://www.linux-mag.com/id/886/
22:25 hobbs I bet it would be a hundred times faster than the P::RD one :)
22:26 jeffreykegler C vs. Perl, you would certainly hope so.
22:28 jeffreykegler I actually took this on myself, and my effort is in the test suite, but it's pre-SLIF and built on top of an Perl parser which is a "dead end", so it's not really worth looking at ...
22:28 jeffreykegler except for stealing it's test cases, to save you the trouble of developing your own:
22:28 jeffreykegler https://github.com/jeffreykegler/M​arpa--R2/blob/master/cpan/t/perl.t
22:29 jeffreykegler Anyway, a SLIF-based version of this would be a handy, useful module and a good followup to the FLOSS show.
22:42 ronsavage I've updated the list of pending project, and add a TOC to that page: http://savage.net.au/Perl-modules​/html/marpa.papers/chapter5.html
22:42 ronsavage 'project' => 'projects'. And it now includes the Undump project.
22:43 jeffreykegler Thanks!

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