Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #marpa, 2015-02-27

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00:02 ronsavage Someone who trolls themselves!
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00:06 jeffreykegler koo7: I hope you'll forgive my prissiness here, ...
00:07 jeffreykegler but I've been trolled off of most of the Perl forums -- Marpa is not how they've been told how parsing works, there have been a lot of other attempts at the problem and so it seems
00:07 jeffreykegler like a great opportunity to yell "FAIL!" and show off one's skill at being snarky.
00:08 jeffreykegler Early in Marpa's history most of my feedback was from trolls.
00:09 jeffreykegler And I really think two or three more of them and there would be no Marpa.
00:09 jeffreykegler You need to forgive me, because I am getting lecturesome ...
00:10 jeffreykegler and maybe even a bit sanctimonous
00:10 jeffreykegler But trolling is a widespread phenomenon is the field today, and it is not harmless.
00:11 jeffreykegler It exacts a quiet cost in time and talent and over time, the loss is really tragic.
00:13 jeffreykegler I think, for example, the tolerance of heated discussion on perl5-porters has been responsible for a lot of real damage -- there just has not been space for the quiet, thoughtful discussion necessary to get new features right.
00:14 ronsavage koo7: I really did mean troll or auto-troll as a play on words (or a type I'm very partial to). Sorry if you took it more literally than that.
00:14 jeffreykegler Again, I could be accused of over-reacting here, and taking some mostly harmless fun as A Social Crisis(tm)
00:14 ronsavage jk: Did you take me as making a troll comment or a joke (as was meant)?
00:16 jeffreykegler As you might guess from the history I've just cited, I am hyper-sensitive on this topic.
00:17 jeffreykegler But I really think it best to err on the side of begin prissy and sanctimonious,
00:17 jeffreykegler rather than slide into the abyss, like so much of the rest of the net.
00:18 jeffreykegler s/begin prissy/being prissy/
00:19 flaviu jeffreykegler: I don't see any need for you to apologize. We all know difficult it is to judge emotions without seeing someone's face.
00:22 jeffreykegler Anyway, different IRC channels have different standards, so for example, some frown on koo[567]'s use of multiple names, whereas since we seldom get more than 20 people in the room at a time ...
00:22 jeffreykegler figuring out that koo5 and koo7 are the same guy is not a hassle for us.
00:23 jeffreykegler But on the other hand, when it comes to being prissy about language and formally polite, I'd like to see this channel, if it must err ...
00:24 jeffreykegler err on the side of being too strict.
00:25 jeffreykegler It means missing out on a lot of harmless fun, but ...
00:25 jeffreykegler I think is for the best in the long run.
00:28 jeffreykegler koo5: I hope that nothing I've said indicates that your participation is not welcome and appreciated.
00:30 jeffreykegler koo5: I hope that nothing I've said indicates that your participation is not welcome and appreciated.
00:30 * jeffreykegler is having Internet trouble, a signal that Cosmos often sends when it thinks he is talking too much
00:33 koo7 lets forget it
00:34 koo7 it reminds me of another of my remarks here that must have been ill-worded, <koo7> i have a theory that people who know perl arent looking for an easy-to-learn novel way of parsing, so its all nice but what marpa needs isnt more talk but kollos:)
00:37 koo7 i tried to say that what may seem to you as a lack of interest in marpa may be for a big part that people look into it, and realize that for all practical purposes marpa just isnt available for their language of choice. So maybe there is a much bigger interest out there than you think
00:39 jeffreykegler koo7: Yes, people have found my choice of implementation language "interesting"
00:40 jeffreykegler and I've found dealing with the Perl community a bit like being Chaplin in "Modern Times", where he saves this rich guy on a drunk from committing suicide ...
00:41 jeffreykegler so of course the rich guy is his best friend forever, but he only recognizes Chaplin when he is drunk ...
00:41 jeffreykegler sober he acts the way any rich guy would when approached by a Tramp, and calls the police.
00:42 jeffreykegler So Perl's infrastructure -- CPAN, CPANtesters, the test frameworks, and a few people maintaining them, have been supportive like no other community would have been ...
00:43 jeffreykegler but the Perl community is also hostile to math and to Theory, and Marpa is as mathematical and Theory-focused a project as you could find, and catches heat accordingly.
00:45 jeffreykegler Perl XS has proved to be a very good framework, but it also ties the SLIF to Perl very heavily.
00:47 jeffreykegler It is interesting (I think) that for this period of time Perl has had (IMHO) a killer app that no other language has, without this getting all that much attention within the Perl community.
00:48 jeffreykegler For example, on this channel, a large percentage of folks are not primarily interested in Perl.
01:31 jeffreykegler Another update of my public resume: http://jeffreykegler.github.io/Curriculum-vitae/
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02:49 Topic for #marpa is now Start here: http://savage.net.au/Marpa.html - Pastebin: http://scsys.co.uk:8002/marpa - Jeffrey's Marpa site: http://jeffreykegler.github.io/Marpa-web-site/ - IRC log: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/marpa/today
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