Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #marpa, 2016-01-06

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01:50 Idiosyncrat Just in case there is confusion the Marpa Book will be "Creative Commons
01:50 Idiosyncrat Attribution-NoDerivs 3.0 United States License"
01:50 Idiosyncrat Same as the paper.
01:51 Idiosyncrat I myself have no plans to create a printed copy, much less sell them.
01:52 Idiosyncrat I changed the term from "paper" to "book" because ...
01:52 Idiosyncrat 1.) I switched from the AMS article package to the AMS book package.
01:53 Idiosyncrat 2.)  It's currently about about 185 pages, so it's monograph lenght.
01:54 Idiosyncrat I dunno if some people are reading into that that I plan to change the licensing -- it's an idea than never occurred to me.
01:54 Idiosyncrat I'd like to make money, but charging for the book is the wrong way to do it.
01:59 lucs Is is built with LaTeX?
02:03 Idiosyncrat Yes LaTeX
02:04 Idiosyncrat My current work is on Github: https://github.com/jeffreykegler/Marpa-theory
02:06 lucs Aha, thanks.
02:07 lucs I'm afraid I won't be reading it though, too technical for me :/
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02:32 Idiosyncrat I don't really recommend anybody look at it at this point -- it'll be difficult enough reading when it's done.
02:32 Idiosyncrat rns has been helping me with the drafts, though.
02:41 Idiosyncrat Aria: another oldie but goodie for our collection: http://ac.els-cdn.com/S0022000073800509/1-s​2.0-S0022000073800509-main.pdf?_tid=d76811e​a-b41e-11e5-9ba1-00000aab0f02&acdnat=14​52048206_e320d94422e0a0ff910cbc04d8f140d2
02:41 Idiosyncrat The 1973 Culik&Cohen paper introducing LR-regular grammars.
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02:48 Topic for #marpa is now Start here: http://savage.net.au/Marpa.html - Pastebin: http://scsys.co.uk:8002/marpa - Jeffrey's Marpa site: http://jeffreykegler.github.io/Marpa-web-site/ - IRC log: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/marpa/today
03:06 ronsavage JK: I /knew/ you'd be not charging for the book. I left the smiley off that message.
03:15 Idiosyncrat ronsavage: Well, you once compared my situation to Cassandra's, and it is similar in one sense ...
03:16 Idiosyncrat For Cassandra, it must have gotten to the point, where whenever she thought that she might be being misunderstood, ...
03:16 Idiosyncrat she would assume that she was being misunderstood.
03:18 Idiosyncrat To those around her, Cassandra must seemed like the type who just doesn't get a joke. :-)
03:20 Idiosyncrat On the more optimistic side -- much of my work on Marpa has been hindered by papers being behind paywalls.
03:21 Idiosyncrat It seemed to me that major role of the professional associations in particular had evolved into making useful papers inaccessible.
03:22 Idiosyncrat But now Springer has made everything over 10 years old available online -- including the famous yellow books.
03:23 Idiosyncrat And all of the articles in the old journals are now out there in electronic form.
03:24 Idiosyncrat ronsavage: you were around in the 1970's right?  It just amazing how much bolder the thinking was in those days.
03:45 ceridwen Elsevier remains the villain of this story.
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18:24 Idiosyncrat http://jeffreykegler.github.io/Ocean-of-A​wareness-blog/individual/2016/01/lrr.html
18:24 Idiosyncrat A new blog post: "What are the reasonable computer languages?"
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20:37 Idiosyncrat ceridwen: Even Elsevier may be moving away from the Dark Side
20:38 Idiosyncrat http://www.sciencedirect.com/scie​nce/article/pii/S0022000073800509
20:38 Idiosyncrat That's the article around which my blog post centers -- it's Elsevier, but available for free under that link.
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21:28 ronsavage JK:Yes, I was around in the 1970s (born 1950, started uni 1969, started programming 1971), but frankly, knew nothing :-(. It seems to me that Čulik and Cohen were dreaming in the best possible way.
21:28 ronsavage The knew current (at that time) software did not satisfy them, so they sort-of formalized the goals people should aim for to fulfill those dreams. I say 'people' and not 'they' because they did not expect to personally deliver whatever was required to attain their stated goals.
21:29 ronsavage Today, I often think of how I code in order to fulfill my own dreams. But what modern h/w and s/w, and Marpa, I can do things which not so long ago I could not.
21:30 ronsavage 'The knew' => 'They knew'.
21:30 ronsavage 'But what' => 'But with'.
21:40 Idiosyncrat Actually, Čulik and Cohen did propose a way to parse LRR in linear time, but it's not practical.
21:42 Idiosyncrat But, yes, their basic mindset was the 1970's "anything is possible" mindset ... the paper shows that their interest in LRR parsing is *not* theoretical.
21:48 Idiosyncrat AFK
22:48 ronsavage Just ran the first successful, albeit tiny, test of Image::Magick::CommandParser. I generate the BNF from their web page, and generate all the action subs. Phew!
22:49 ronsavage JK: I wouldn't try to separate their mindset for others'. After all, Ada and Charles dreamt - and build. So do we today.
22:50 ronsavage 'for others' => 'from others'.
22:50 ronsavage 'build' => 'built'.

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