Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #marpa, 2016-01-30

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01:09 Idiosyncrat Some of you may have heard of Ed Yourdon, an early proponent of structured programming.
01:10 Idiosyncrat Ed was my boss in the late 70's -- he was an extremely nice man.
01:11 Idiosyncrat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Yourdon
01:12 Idiosyncrat I heard today that he died on Jan 20
01:17 Idiosyncrat After I worked for him, Ed got involved in all sorts of stuff -- most well known was his pushing of Y2K remediation ...
01:18 Idiosyncrat but this first achievement, and what he was doing when I worked for him was "software methodogies" and "structured programming"
01:18 Idiosyncrat which had grown out of GOTO-less programming.
01:19 Idiosyncrat These days we're used to the idea of examining *how* we program and endlessly dissecting it its style.
01:20 Idiosyncrat Back then to much of the field there were only 2 legitimate questions you could ask about code:
01:20 Idiosyncrat Did it work?
01:20 Idiosyncrat Was it fast?
01:23 Idiosyncrat So much of the way you look at code today is due to Ed's interest in finding and pushing "methodologies"
01:24 Idiosyncrat Which address other questions like maintainability, readability, life-cycle costs, etc.
01:32 choroba ahem... it's still "Does it work? Is it fast? Is it cheap?" somewhere :-)
01:35 Idiosyncrat Right.
01:36 Idiosyncrat The big difference may not be in the actual of writing code, ...
01:37 Idiosyncrat but in how what we say in conference talks, to managers, customers, etc.
01:37 Idiosyncrat s/actual/actual practice/
01:38 Idiosyncrat I taught classes for Ed and I can tell you professional programmers were quite happy and proud to say their only criterion of success was fast working code.
01:40 choroba http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/story-of-mel.html
01:40 Idiosyncrat And that *any* kind of standards, methodogies, etc., would be counter-productive wastes of time.
01:43 Idiosyncrat choroba: yes perfect.
01:44 Idiosyncrat When Ed came along the profession was almost entirely composed of Mel's, people who thought they were Mel's, and ...
01:44 Idiosyncrat people who know they weren't Mel, but wanted to be.
01:45 Idiosyncrat s/know/knew/
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06:38 Idiosyncrat Good night!
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20:45 VsyachePuz Idiosyncrat: does your thoughts about grammars composition are applicable to compiler/preprocessor combination of tools ?
20:46 Idiosyncrat I hope so
20:47 Idiosyncrat If I didn't feel that I should be working on making Marpa itself better documented & more widely available ...
20:47 Idiosyncrat that's where I'd be working.
20:47 Idiosyncrat There's a lot of low hanging fruit out there IMHO
20:49 VsyachePuz i am asking, because I am reading the text of profile - http://stackoverflow.com/users/120163/ira-baxter
20:52 Idiosyncrat interesting
20:54 Idiosyncrat As he says there are lots of compiler & toolkit issues that are *not* parsing.
20:56 Idiosyncrat However, there are no compiler or toolkit issues that are not made worse these days by the inadequacy of traditional parsing methods.
21:27 VsyachePuz I was not sure, what is the correct word -  "he", "rhim" or "she", to refer to the owner of that profile. "He" is correct - http://www.semdesigns.com/Company/People/idbaxter/
21:51 VsyachePuz uses a GLR parser
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22:52 VsyachePuz implemented in a parallel programming language, PARLANSE which is designed to handle multicore irregular ("task") parallel computation.
23:18 Idiosyncrat looks as if it's proprietary
23:37 VsyachePuz yes, no Parlanse mentions on github. ( PARLANSE R&D was funded by the National Institute of Standards and Technology, Advanced Technology Program - http://www.semanticdesigns.com​/Products/Parlanse/index.html )
23:41 VsyachePuz so, i think you can write him by mail and propose to replace GLR to Earley (in exchange for funding of this research work).
23:46 VsyachePuz he spend his time for answers to stack overflow questions, so if i was him, there are no reasons to ignore mail

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