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IRC log for #marpa, 2016-06-12

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00:15 idiosyncrat_ rns: many, many thanks!
00:15 idiosyncrat_ On this one, at least, your judgement has proved better than mine.
00:17 idiosyncrat_ I looked at the place where I suggested "hi there's" and realized they were not likely to reveal much, and that going back to the commit at which the problem first appeared was really going to be the best option.
00:18 idiosyncrat_ So I was preparing to read it, but you've saved me the trouble.
00:19 idiosyncrat_ The fix matches the symptom quite well because the problem only appears to the size of the 2 types is different, and this depends on not just the architecture, but the compiler and even the details of the compiler flag settings.
00:20 idiosyncrat_ I might have found this fix as quickly as you did, but it also might have taken me hours or days.
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01:21 ronsavage JK: Re http://irclog.perlgeek.de/m​arpa/2016-06-11#i_12646464. I have no re-run it. Just 1 run, as listed. Currently doing apt-get update/upgrade....
01:25 idiosyncrat_ ronsavage: Sorry, that was a bad guess on my part.
01:26 idiosyncrat_ rns found the problem.
01:31 ronsavage Yes, I've been backlogging, and didn't get to the last page thereof until this moment. I'm studying how to plant my 5 new dwarf/columnar apple trees :-).
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01:48 Topic for #marpa is now Start here: http://savage.net.au/Marpa.html - Pastebin: http://scsys.co.uk:8002/marpa - Jeffrey's Marpa site: http://jeffreykegler.github.io/Marpa-web-site/ - IRC log: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/marpa/today
01:52 idiosyncrat_ I've just uploaded Marpa-R3-4.001_012
02:05 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T01:55:37Z] [Slaven Rezić (SREZIC)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [amd64-freebsd] [perl-v5.22.0] [c221e2e0-3040-11e6-af2a-a60bd456bca3] [2016-06-12T01:55:37Z]
02:05 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T01:59:39Z] [Slaven Rezić (SREZIC)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [amd64-freebsd] [perl-v5.18.4] [526487e0-3041-11e6-a30b-b5bc411e0862] [2016-06-12T01:59:39Z]
02:33 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T02:04:41Z] [Slaven Rezić (SREZIC)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [amd64-freebsd] [perl-v5.20.2] [06866f72-3042-11e6-a9ca-94f8828110c7] [2016-06-12T02:04:41Z]
02:33 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T02:05:38Z] [Slaven Rezić (SREZIC)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [x86_64-linux] [perl-v5.24.0] [28892baa-3042-11e6-a18b-b743f0d0ade5] [2016-06-12T02:05:38Z]
02:33 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T02:06:35Z] [Slaven Rezić (SREZIC)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [x86_64-linux] [perl-v5.22.2] [4aa45b88-3042-11e6-b6c6-e0d765c4d4c2] [2016-06-12T02:06:35Z]
02:34 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T02:07:37Z] [Slaven Rezić (SREZIC)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [x86_64-linux] [perl-v5.22.1] [6f95150e-3042-11e6-b401-c1185e7ca18e] [2016-06-12T02:07:37Z]
02:34 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T02:08:43Z] [Slaven Rezić (SREZIC)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [x86_64-linux] [perl-v5.22.0] [968106dc-3042-11e6-b852-817700185e1c] [2016-06-12T02:08:43Z]
02:34 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T02:08:45Z] [Slaven Rezić (SREZIC)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [x86_64-linux] [perl-v5.20.3] [979f5dd4-3042-11e6-b852-817700185e1c] [2016-06-12T02:08:45Z]
02:34 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T02:09:40Z] [Slaven Rezić (SREZIC)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [amd64-freebsd] [perl-v5.20.1] [b8e9cc7c-3042-11e6-93b4-a35d4105e712] [2016-06-12T02:09:40Z]
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02:35 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T02:11:36Z] [Slaven Rezić (SREZIC)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [x86_64-linux] [perl-v5.18.4] [fdee2a20-3042-11e6-b9f0-8be4d3188ebd] [2016-06-12T02:11:36Z]
02:35 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T02:12:41Z] [Slaven Rezić (SREZIC)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [amd64-freebsd] [perl-v5.22.2] [2454d2b8-3043-11e6-99fe-a6c3587e717c] [2016-06-12T02:12:41Z]
02:36 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T02:12:43Z] [Slaven Rezić (SREZIC)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [x86_64-linux] [perl-v5.18.2] [256ef386-3043-11e6-99fe-a6c3587e717c] [2016-06-12T02:12:43Z]
02:36 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T02:13:39Z] [Slaven Rezić (SREZIC)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [x86_64-linux] [perl-v5.16.3] [47126432-3043-11e6-a2ba-900e32e09650] [2016-06-12T02:13:39Z]
02:36 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T02:14:40Z] [Slaven Rezić (SREZIC)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [amd64-freebsd] [perl-v5.22.1] [6ba3540a-3043-11e6-9e0a-bf93bb3802d5] [2016-06-12T02:14:40Z]
02:36 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T02:14:42Z] [Slaven Rezić (SREZIC)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [x86_64-linux] [perl-v5.14.4] [6caa4ff2-3043-11e6-9e0a-bf93bb3802d5] [2016-06-12T02:14:42Z]
02:37 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T02:15:46Z] [Slaven Rezić (SREZIC)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [x86_64-linux] [perl-v5.12.5] [92bd9974-3043-11e6-a1b2-9ebadbd1050f] [2016-06-12T02:15:46Z]
02:37 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T02:15:56Z] [Slaven Rezić (SREZIC)] [na] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [x86_64-linux] [perl-v5.8.9] [98856ada-3043-11e6-a1b2-9ebadbd1050f] [2016-06-12T02:15:56Z]
02:37 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T02:16:44Z] [Slaven Rezić (SREZIC)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [amd64-freebsd] [perl-v5.24.0] [b54003ec-3043-11e6-8860-c70b720d85a3] [2016-06-12T02:16:44Z]
02:37 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T02:18:41Z] [Slaven Rezić (SREZIC)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [amd64-freebsd] [perl-v5.20.3] [faefe89e-3043-11e6-bb7f-e26be94e2c8e] [2016-06-12T02:18:41Z]
02:38 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T02:23:31Z] [Andreas J. König (ANDK)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [x86_64-linux] [perl-v5.25.1] [a7ed7660-3044-11e6-bb60-f944ee1f9a26] [2016-06-12T02:23:31Z]
02:38 idiosyncrat_ [2[2016-06-12T02:23:59Z] [Andreas J. König (ANDK)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [x86_64-linux-thread-multi-ld] [perl-v5.25.1] [b8926214-3044-11e6-a89e-10d0ed1f9a26] [2016-06-12T02:23:59Z]
02:39 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T02:24:10Z] [Andreas J. König (ANDK)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [x86_64-linux-ld] [perl-v5.25.1] [bf709de4-3044-11e6-ac82-4bd5ed1f9a26] [2016-06-12T02:24:10Z]
02:39 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T02:26:25Z] [Andreas J. König (ANDK)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [x86_64-linux] [perl-v5.24.0] [0f67ade2-3045-11e6-ab5b-a202ee1f9a26] [2016-06-12T02:26:25Z]
02:39 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T02:26:58Z] [Andreas J. König (ANDK)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [x86_64-linux-thread-multi] [perl-v5.24.0] [23161824-3045-11e6-960a-3c0cee1f9a26] [2016-06-12T02:26:58Z]
02:40 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T02:27:15Z] [Andreas J. König (ANDK)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [x86_64-linux-thread-multi-ld] [perl-v5.24.0] [2d71398e-3045-11e6-8701-2015ee1f9a26] [2016-06-12T02:27:15Z]
02:40 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T02:27:48Z] [Andreas J. König (ANDK)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [x86_64-linux-ld] [perl-v5.24.0] [410e21d2-3045-11e6-92a2-7a1fee1f9a26] [2016-06-12T02:27:48Z]
02:40 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T02:28:45Z] [Andreas J. König (ANDK)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [x86_64-linux-thread-multi] [perl-v5.22.2] [631566e6-3045-11e6-91f6-f331ee1f9a26] [2016-06-12T02:28:45Z]
02:40 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T02:30:01Z] [Andreas J. König (ANDK)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [x86_64-linux] [perl-v5.22.2] [90a204f2-3045-11e6-96d5-2046ee1f9a26] [2016-06-12T02:30:01Z]
02:41 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T02:31:46Z] [Andreas J. König (ANDK)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [x86_64-linux] [perl-v5.22.1] [cf41a668-3045-11e6-9c8b-c6e6ed1f9a26] [2016-06-12T02:31:46Z]
02:42 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T02:31:56Z] [Andreas J. König (ANDK)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [x86_64-linux-thread-multi-ld] [perl-v5.22.1] [d4b0dbf0-3045-11e6-9418-24eaed1f9a26] [2016-06-12T02:31:56Z]
02:42 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T02:33:14Z] [Andreas J. König (ANDK)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [x86_64-linux-ld] [perl-v5.22.0] [03ab1376-3046-11e6-8425-7b03ee1f9a26] [2016-06-12T02:33:14Z]
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02:45 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T02:38:36Z] [Andreas J. König (ANDK)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [x86_64-linux-ld] [perl-v5.10.1] [c366e33e-3046-11e6-a596-0fe4ed1f9a26] [2016-06-12T02:38:36Z]
02:46 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T02:38:37Z] [Andreas J. König (ANDK)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [x86_64-linux] [perl-v5.12.5] [c415a3ec-3046-11e6-a596-0fe4ed1f9a26] [2016-06-12T02:38:37Z]
02:47 idiosyncrat_ Looks perfect. :-)
03:03 ronsavage Things have changed!
03:03 ronsavage All tests successful.
03:03 ronsavage Files=85, Tests=1272, 16 wallclock secs ( 0.38 usr  0.07 sys + 15.80 cusr  0.69 csys = 16.94 CPU)
03:03 ronsavage Result: PASS
03:25 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T03:08:38Z] [Slaven Rezić (SREZIC)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [amd64-freebsd] [perl-v5.20.0] [f5292d74-304a-11e6-800d-a61baacaef08] [2016-06-12T03:08:38Z]
03:27 idiosyncrat_ ronsavage: Thanks!
03:27 idiosyncrat_ rns: btw, about my reluctance to upgrade my gcc
03:28 idiosyncrat_ I make it a practice to try to run the oldest and/or most problematic environment I support.
03:29 idiosyncrat_ So, much as I'd like to take advantage of the past 7 years of speed ups and bug fixes, I run Perl 5.10.1
03:30 idiosyncrat_ Similarly, I like to run an old gcc, so that I know I am not taking advantage of any new features.
03:31 idiosyncrat_ I could always update, then try to revert, but that's a hassle I wanted to avoid.
03:45 idiosyncrat_ [2016-06-12T03:37:43Z] [Slaven Rezić (SREZIC)] [pass] [JKEGL/Marpa-R3-4.001_012.tar.gz] [amd64-freebsd] [perl-v5.18.2] [059fa300-304f-11e6-91c4-bcbe99dcf515] [2016-06-12T03:37:43Z]
04:15 ronsavage JK: Re: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/m​arpa/2016-06-12#i_12649697. Aggghhhh. No! Just use perlbrew. Look:
04:16 ronsavage ron@zigzag:~/Downloads/Marpa$ perlbrew list
04:16 ronsavage perl-5.10.1
04:16 ronsavage perl-5.18.2
04:16 ronsavage * perl-5.20.2
04:16 ronsavage ron@zigzag:~/Downloads/Marpa$ perlbrew available
04:16 ronsavage perl-5.25.1
04:16 ronsavage perl-5.24.0
04:16 ronsavage perl-5.22.2
04:16 ronsavage perl-5.20.3
04:16 ronsavage perl-5.18.4
04:16 ronsavage perl-5.16.3
04:16 ronsavage perl-5.14.4
04:16 ronsavage perl-5.12.5
04:18 ronsavage I got throttled, so lower than perl-5.12.5 also available are 5.10.1, 5.8.9, 5.6.2, 5.005_04, 5.004_05 and 5..03_07. That's enough, surely.
04:50 idiosyncrat_ ronsavage: I was talking about gcc versions.  I'd love it if there was a gcc-brew.
04:52 idiosyncrat_ I do use perlbrew, but I mainly stay stuck on 5.10.1 since if I tried to switch back and forth for ordinary usage and Marpa use, I'd always be forgetting.
04:54 idiosyncrat_ But, yes, if I ever needed to step up to 5.22 for a while and revert, perlbrew would make that easy.
04:54 idiosyncrat_ But there's no equivalent for gcc's.
05:27 ronsavage JK: Sorry. Misunderstood. I'm using gcc version 4.9.2.
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05:47 rns idiosyncrat: re http://irclog.perlgeek.de/m​arpa/2016-06-12#i_12649279 -- yes, reading it can be daunting -- I had to manually extract v_do_stack_ops and diff from 2c4e568 and 65f7ff7.
05:48 rns re http://irclog.perlgeek.de/m​arpa/2016-06-12#i_12649687 -- makes sense.
05:50 rns And Marpa-R3-4.001_012 now installs ok under cygwin, winxp and win7, but we knew it :). Glad it worked under BSDs and linux.
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06:02 jdurand FYI just found this interesting short note on how to eliminate ambiguities http://itu.dk/people/mogel/SPLC2012​/lectures/eliminatingAmbiguity.pdf
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15:52 idiosyncrat_ Note that the "parser" described does not actually construct the parse tree -- in effect, the actual parsing is deferred until post-processing.
16:33 rns Results from log.txt as cpantesters matrix -- http://fast-matrix.cpantesters.​org/?dist=Marpa-R3%204.001_012 -- will display test reports (well almost) as they appear in log.txt.
16:33 rns Available as "Matrix via log.txt" link in the bottom of normal matrix -- http://matrix.cpantesters.or​g/?dist=Marpa-R3%204.001_012
16:46 idiosyncrat_ rns: Thanks!
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18:33 JPGainsborough hi
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